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IrishRepublican
22nd June 2002, 02:12
30 Little-Known Facts About Israel

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.

2.Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?

4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?

5.Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?

6.Did you know that US aid to Israel ($1.8 billion annually in military aid alone) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.

7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbors.

8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)

9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?

11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? (Imagine if an Islamic country like Iraq did this!)

12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?

14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.

16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?

17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public?

18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948?

20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: "The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.

23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?

26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?

27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?

28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!

29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?

30) Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be.

Taken from indy media

(Edited by IrishRepublican at 2:15 am on June 22, 2002)

ArgueEverything
22nd June 2002, 04:00
nope, i didnt. thanks for informing me though.

as it normally turns out with lists like these, a couple are probably false. it would be good if some of the comrades here could point them out so no one gets embarassed if they ever try and use some of these points against a zionist

Borincano
22nd June 2002, 06:59
Thanks for the info!

Reuben
22nd June 2002, 08:05
victory to the intifada.

Blasphemy
22nd June 2002, 10:20
i'm sure that you did a lot of research before publishing these futile "facts":

1. i have no notion where you got that. if it is true, it means that all the non jewish popluation lives in the sky, because they have no land.

2. the different color license plates is only for those living in the occupied territories, because they are not citizens of the state of israel. arabs who are the citizens of the state have normal license plates.

3. israel doesn't consider these areas to be part of the state. that is why we call them "occupied territories".

4. another untrue "fact".

5. so what? the americans grant us the money out of their own free will. nobody is forcing them to do so.

6. see 5

7. see 5

8. once again, see 5

9. did iran and iraq sign it? no. that's why israel can't sign it.

10. did you know that they are now in prison?

11. it was a very unfortunate mistake.

12. not sure what that is.

13. no shit? really? i was sure it maintains a buddhist character for some unexplained reason...

14. nobody is denying that...

15. what makes you think they weren't charged? do you think they sit in prison for 18 years because they didn't tie their shoelaces?

16. what the fuck???

18. since when is moledet in the government? last time i checked they were trying to overthrow the governemnt. strange, huh?

19. Ben Gurion tried to convice the arabs to stay.

20. he never said it. he is a facsit and i abosoutely despise him and everything he represents, but he never said it.

21. i actually did know that.

22. so?

23. i'm guessing that you are a high ranking official in the israeli secret service that you know something like that.

24. disrupte palestinian education? can you give me examples please?

25. oslo was nothing but good to the palestinians. besides, arafat can ask for a vote in the UN and then declare independance whenever he wants. he doesn't do it because he knows that the palestinian state will need israeli aid, and for that he has to negotiate.

26. not true. they were occupited during the war.

27. i knew that, too.

28. when the PM declares a cease fire, there is a cease fire. he declared a cease fire months ago...

29. did you know that the organization that handles all the works in the Temple Mount is a muslim one, and that israel cannot dig anything there? so it was actually a muslim organization that is doing all these tunneling..

30. i need examples on that one. what makes israel an apartheid regime?

but no one here is going to believe me beacuse it is so much easier just blaming israel for everything...

I Will Deny You
22nd June 2002, 20:49
Congratulations. You are New Che-Lives Member #1,000,000 to Start a Redundant Thread About the Middle East. Give yourself a pat on the back.

Some of the things in there are well-known. We all know that the Occupied Territories aren't part of Israel. But some of those facts (like #9, which is obviously bullshit) are questionable. You might want to check your sources at Indy Media. It's a great place to get news, but because of the open posting system a lot of crap gets mixed in with the treasures.

Lindsay

James
22nd June 2002, 22:20
Damn, i just copied and pasted all those on to deadarab.com to use in an argument...now i feel a fool :( (i hadn't even read them all!!!).

antieverything
23rd June 2002, 00:42
Its sad, really...I did some research on my own and it turns out that most of them are either bs or selectively true.

Lefty
23rd June 2002, 02:39
those are interesting, and would be pretty convincing if they were all true. however, some more interesting facts have come to my attention:
HAMAS PAYS PEOPLES FAMILY TO BLOW THEMSELVES UP AND KILL INNOCENT TEENAGERS NOT UNLIKE SOME OF US!

I say fuck it all, if someone smart came into power, many things would change for the better.

antieverything
23rd June 2002, 02:50
The fact is that neither side is in the right...the cycle of hate is a full circle.

IrishRepublican
23rd June 2002, 11:48
Quote: from Lefty on 2:39 am on June 23, 2002
those are interesting, and would be pretty convincing if they were all true. however, some more interesting facts have come to my attention:
HAMAS PAYS PEOPLES FAMILY TO BLOW THEMSELVES UP AND KILL INNOCENT TEENAGERS NOT UNLIKE SOME OF US!

I say fuck it all, if someone smart came into power, many things would change for the better.


And where did you hear that they pay them?

Somone smart came to power? Dont make me sick
Give the palestinians a state and quality of treatment and things would be alot better.

Lefty
24th June 2002, 01:53
IRISHREPUBLICAN: Try time magazine, newsweek, CNN.com, wherever my jewish friends get their information
i believe the sum is 10,000 dollars, according to time and newsweek. I agree that a separate state would solve much, but that will not come about without Sharon or Arafat giving up power to someone less greedy or evil. And i really dont see that happening without one of them dieing, given their pride.

j
24th June 2002, 19:03
God, would someone please stop the bullshit??!!!

Neither side is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't post this fucking crap again!!!!!!!

Blasphemy-Thanks for the rebuttle. Do you believe that Israel is right and Palestine wrong?

j

IrishRepublican
24th June 2002, 19:44
Quote: from Lefty on 1:53 am on June 24, 2002
IRISHREPUBLICAN: Try time magazine, newsweek, CNN.com, wherever my jewish friends get their information
i believe the sum is 10,000 dollars, according to time and newsweek. I agree that a separate state would solve much, but that will not come about without Sharon or Arafat giving up power to someone less greedy or evil. And i really dont see that happening without one of them dieing, given their pride.


Arn't those news companys run by Jews?

Moskitto
24th June 2002, 21:50
I saw some of those on wcotc.org that's how questionable some of them are.

wcotc is funny, It lists ideas that are "Jewish mechanisms to destroy the white race"

Jewish Mechanisms to Destroy the White Race
Christianity
Judaism
Marxism
Communism
Capitalism
Liberalism
Conservatism
Civil Wrongs
Non-White Immigration
Anarchism
Freudianism
Millenium
Homosexuality
The New Left (1960-Present)

I think it should have White Nationalism on there since Adolph Hitler was Jewish.

Pepe
24th June 2002, 22:18
Do you know that if Palestinian would be recognized as a free and Independent state they would have the right the constitute an army and the would have the right to proclame war to defende their territory?

Do you know why there is so much hate and anti-americanism?

Do you know that if Palestinian would not be under atack everyday that Israel could then have the moral authority to talk about the Palestinian Kamikases, and anyway what choice is left to Palestina if they are all called terrorists.

Why Israel gets legaly weapons and to Palestina is not given the same right?

And there would be much more that we can ask.

Reuben
25th June 2002, 00:47
(Edited by Reuben at 12:48 am on June 25, 2002)

jimr
25th June 2002, 01:14
Blasphemy Israel did launch pre-emptive strikes in 1967. Thanks to US intelligence that soviet russia was attempting to coarse Jordan Egypt and Syria to invade Israel. Israel launched an attack on Egypt from the air destroying 90% of Egypts airforce while still on the ground. If they were already at war then surely this would not have happened.

jimr
25th June 2002, 01:26
Quote: from Lefty on 2:39 am on June 23, 2002
those are interesting, and would be pretty convincing if they were all true. however, some more interesting facts have come to my attention:
HAMAS PAYS PEOPLES FAMILY TO BLOW THEMSELVES UP AND KILL INNOCENT TEENAGERS NOT UNLIKE SOME OF US!

I say fuck it all, if someone smart came into power, many things would change for the better.


intresting fact for you, HAMAS was originally funded by Israel to discredit the predominantly secular and leftist PLO. Numerous American Intelligence officials have admitted this and Israeli responses are always sketchy. They did not expect HAMAs to gain so much from the Iranian revolution and since then HAMAS has evolved to weed out the Israeli spies.

How fucking ironic. There will be no peace in the middle east not until some idiot realises that America have no intent of being impartial. The Bush admistrations policy towards the middle-east released today was pathetic. It set a price on self determination, it required that Arafat stand down. It required democratic reform, it gave only a provisional state, with no indication as to Capitals, as to border disputes. The land is stolen, there should be no price. The Israeli's have no right to be in the occupied territorys and if it was any other country bar Israel something would have already been done about it. Iraq invaded Kuwait due to Kuwait apparently stealing oil from a disputed border. America attacked Iraq within 5 months. Israel annexed, The west bank, gaza, golan heights in 1967 and are still in possession of these territories. The US has no power over Israel. Israel simply acts the way America wishes in some aspects and recieves plentiful pay for this. Indeed it would be highly hypocritical of the US to condemn Israel for the occupation of the lands gained in the six day war, I mean look at how they systematically eradicated the native inhabitents of their own land.

Nuclear war is looking really fun right now.

Lebanese Leftist
25th June 2002, 01:51
It's too bad that some of the zionist backwards aern't ashamed of claiming to be leftist or to any extent progressive.

I am from Lebanon(north borders of Occupied Palestine), and I am already sure of most of the points in the 30 made, are sadly very true. Yet, it is not hard not at all to make sure of them. Check any decent website not spoiled with those NAZI ZIONISTS.

The interesting thing is the stupidity of zionists, not mentioning the shamelessness... Who could pay people to blow their children up!?!?!? what a life are Palestinians getting in anyway?!
P.S. groups like Hamas have always had relations with the CIA and those criminal Mosad creeps.
The other thing to mention is the ease of proving what NAZIS and HYPOCRITES those ZIONISTS are... But what is needed is further space in the media.. and this is not available unfortunately...

Long lives the intifada and the revolution of every oppressed people on the face of this earth.
No matter if you're Christian, Jew, Moslem, Budhist, or non of the stated... what you are is who you are.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre

I Will Deny You
25th June 2002, 03:02
[hr]Quote: from IrishRepublican on 2:44 pm on June 24, 2002
Arn't those news companys run by Jews?
[hr]I know that Ted Turner runs CNN and I really doubt he's Jewish. I don't know about the other ones. Anyway, there are many left-wing publications run by Jews that are pro-Palestine. As long as they're not run by right-wing Israeli Jews, there's a fairly good chance that there isn't much of a bias due to the owner's religion. Also, all of those companies are owned by multinational conglomerates and I really don't think the alter kockers who run them have the time to dictate whether "terrorist" will be in a certain caption.[hr]Quote: from Moskitto on 4:50 pm on June 24, 2002
I think it should have White Nationalism on there since Adolph Hitler was Jewish.[hr]White Nationalism was around before Hitler and Hitler wasn't Jewish anyway.

Lindsay

Reuben
25th June 2002, 08:57
Yeah IWDY is right, what is significant is the political beliefs of those in the media, not their ethnicity.

I suppose you see chomsky as an enemy....

Moskitto
26th June 2002, 22:02
By Nazi law Hitler was Jewish because he had 1 Jewish grandparent. Anyway, communism has been around a lot longer than Marx and that still made it to their "list."

Their list is jut too funny to be taken seriously though. It's like you can't be anything.

DORRI
28th June 2002, 23:59
thanks for your useful information.
have you read what G.G.Marques published about Palestine?
viva intifada
free Palestine from jordan river to the sea

Borincano
29th June 2002, 06:01
Quote: from Moskitto on 4:02 pm on June 26, 2002
By Nazi law Hitler was Jewish because he had 1 Jewish grandparent.

I'm not sure that's true. I heard that rumor before, introduced as fact, but I've also heard that it was just truly a rumor. Where did you get your credible information that Hitler indeed did have a Jewish grandparent?

Moskitto
29th June 2002, 20:56
come to think of it. It wasn't that credible. It was from some guy who's now in the army and wants to shoot Germans.

Still Hitler does fit into the stereotypical Jew that those fucked up right wing websites promote (short, fat, dark hair, wants to kill white (slavic) people) So there's atill a good laughing point at the wihte nationalist movement.

(Edited by Moskitto at 9:00 pm on June 29, 2002)

Reuben
30th June 2002, 09:19
as far as I know thats a myth

maxfish17
30th June 2002, 21:43
Years ago I heard that "hitler's mother was jewish" but I don't have any reason to believe it.

You're right that It doesn't matter if the people who run a newspaper are jewish. It matters if they're right wing israeli zealots. They are many organizations of leftist jews against the occipation. Hell, I'm half jewish and I don't support the Israeli occupation or the oppression of palestinians.

- Max

Moskitto
30th June 2002, 22:30
The Allies spread a lot of propaganda about the leaders of the Nazi movement after the war. The Hitler single scrotum one is supposedly real though (according to soviet medical records), but the one about Guoring being in a mental asylum has been proved wrong and Himmler being a cross dresser is debated.

DORRI
1st July 2002, 23:17
Quote: from IrishRepublican on 2:12 am on June 22, 2002
30 Little-Known Facts About Israel

14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

number of the victims of Sabra & Shatila is more than 17,000 (as my research shows)

DORRI
1st July 2002, 23:23
Quote: from Blasphemy on 10:20 am on June 22, 2002
i'm sure that you did a lot of research before publishing these futile "facts":


9. did iran and iraq sign it? no. that's why israel can't sign it.


i dont know about iraq , but Iran has signed it
& i hope your other 29 answers not to be like this one:wrong!

nvader
2nd July 2002, 11:59
Isrealis have a god given right to protect themselves, however palestinians should have a state. If isrealis operated like palestinians would anyone support them, i think not. I do believe one thing said, this post is going no were, being as after 50 yrs, no one has fixed the situation