Travel Within Communism

[Latifa]

How would this work? I'm not quite sure yet.

[RagsToRevolution]

Depends. Public transport would be nationalized. I would see railroads and more technological advancements in freight transport by land over the dangerous, clumbsy handling by semi-trucks. Trains would be become much more useful.

Private transportation would be reduced to little more than bicycles or pedestrians. If you need to get somewhere fast, buses work, as do taxis, subways, ect. To get from city to city, trains will work very well, as would an airline system.

As for entereing and leaving the communist area, it depends, is this socialism or true communism? In socialism, there will need to be visas, restrictions, immigration policies. In true communism, there is no need for such things.

[Latifa]

Hmm, yes. Thats not what I was getting at. What I meant was frivilous tourism-type transport. Say the whole world was communist ( goodie! ) and I was in the US. I want to go and see the Colosseum in Rome. Can I? If so, how?

[RagsToRevolution]

Yes.

Just take a ship. Transportation should be freei n a socialist state. In a true communist scoeity, you would make your own methods, or be provided them by others who wish also to gain from the expedition (not in a material gain.)

[Latifa]

Ok.

Making a ship by yourself to cross the Atlantic Ocean is not safe.

So there are no professional sailors.
This seems a little inefficient, no?

[RagsToRevolution]

Honestly, there is little reason to go see the coliseum, if I had the power, I would tear the decrepit piece of rock down. It is a symbol of bloody oppression and fuedalism, and does not deserve to be revered so highly.

So I say *meh*.

[Des]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 05:48 AM
In a true communist scoeity, you would make your own methods, or be provided them by others who wish also to gain from the expedition (not in a material gain.)
im sure it wouldnt be like that

and by the time any of that comes around.. we'd be able to teleport from country to country!

[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 06:07 AM
Honestly, there is little reason to go see the coliseum, if I had the power, I would tear the decrepit piece of rock down. It is a symbol of bloody oppression and fuedalism, and does not deserve to be revered so highly.

So I say *meh*.
Cop out!

You haven't answered my question.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 01:01 AM
Ok.

Making a ship by yourself to cross the Atlantic Ocean is not safe.

So there are no professional sailors.
This seems a little inefficient, no?
No, i am shur other people who need or want to travel to that area, there would we flights across the atlantic regularly

[NovelGentry]

Travel would be much the same as it is today. But all transportation would be public, in the sense that private property doesn't exist.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 09:00 PM
Travel would be much the same as it is today. But all transportation would be public, in the sense that private property doesn't exist.
Not only that - Travel in a Real Communist Society would free and it would be fluid
- especially between other revolutionary countries.

[Hiero]

Honestly, there is little reason to go see the coliseum, if I had the power, I would tear the decrepit piece of rock down. It is a symbol of bloody oppression and fuedalism, and does not deserve to be revered so highly.


This stupid, you would destroy something as great as the coliseum just to forogt history. Would you also destroy text books that have recorded the great achievements of past civilisations. Whether you like it or not feudalism was a part of world history and destroying the magnificance buildings of that time is just vandalism.

[RagsToRevolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 12:30 AM

Honestly, there is little reason to go see the coliseum, if I had the power, I would tear the decrepit piece of rock down. It is a symbol of bloody oppression and fuedalism, and does not deserve to be revered so highly.


This stupid, you would destroy something as great as the coliseum just to forogt history. Would you also destroy text books that have recorded the great achievements of past civilisations. Whether you like it or not feudalism was a part of world history and destroying the magnificance buildings of that time is just vandalism.
Mmmm, just because I do not like the Coliseum, and I would myself tear it down, doesn't mean other people will, I will most likely never have the chance to do so. Does Rome and the ancient monuments of bloodsport and feudalism deserve to be remembered? Yes, but because there is no practical use for the Coliseum, we should keep it in the history books. There is better use for the land.

Then again, I don't like Rome, so I'm biased, I was only trying to cop out, because I had honestly had no way to answer the question further.

EDIT: By the way, a crumbling rock structure that will probally fall by the forces of nature or circumstance eventually that was forged by the labor of oppressed slaves is not "magnificent" in my eyes in any case.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 04:07 AM
How would this work? I'm not quite sure yet.
Eh...How it would work? You could walk, drive a car, travel in a bus, on a boat, air plane,
train, space ship, teleporter, etc. There are many ways.

[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 12:34 AM

EDIT: By the way, a crumbling rock structure that will probally fall by the forces of nature or circumstance eventually that was forged by the labor of oppressed slaves is not "magnificent" in my eyes in any case.
The point is not that it was hard to build, the point was that it was extremely well designed. All modern sports stadiums are loosely based on the Colloseum. So there.

Also, the reason it is crumbling is because shitheads like you, who no doubt thought there was 'better use' for the stone vandalised it!

[RagsToRevolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 04:34 AM
The point is not that it was hard to build, the point was that it was extremely well designed. All modern sports stadiums are loosely based on the Colloseum. So there.

Also, the reason it is crumbling is because shitheads like you, who no doubt thought there was 'better use' for the stone vandalised it!
As I said, it belongs in the history books, and the architecture books. Just because current stadiums are based on it, doesn't mean there are other possibilities as well, we need more architextural innovation.

I was expressing my distaste of Roman culture, architecture, and specifically, the Coliseum. I was in no way goign out of my way to offend people, just sayign if I had the chance and there were no consequences to the action, I would get rid of it and use the stone and area for better purposes, as I dislike the usage, presence, and meaning behind the structure, and the means it was built with.

I do not see why it is needed to insult people. This is an open forum for discussion, no need for such vulgarities, I have not personally attacked you in any way.

As for the crumbling, yes, it was vandalized illegally, however, it was also sanctioned by the authorities because there was shortages of raw building material in rome, and the bread and circus style of satisfying the people at the time (the Coliseum represents this value.) That was not vandalizing, it was deconstruction, dismantling, recycling. Also, enviromental conditions are also contributing to the crumbling of the Coliseum.

[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 06:05 AM

I was expressing my distaste of Roman culture, architecture, and specifically, the Coliseum. I was in no way goign out of my way to offend people, just sayign if I had the chance and there were no consequences to the action, I would get rid of it and use the stone and area for better purposes, as I dislike the usage, presence, and meaning behind the structure, and the means it was built with.



Ok. Sorry for insulting you.


As for the crumbling, yes, it was vandalized illegally, however, it was also sanctioned by the authorities because there was shortages of raw building material in rome, and the bread and circus style of satisfying the people at the time (the Coliseum represents this value.) That was not vandalizing, it was deconstruction, dismantling, recycling. Also, enviromental conditions are also contributing to the crumbling of the Coliseum.

Government supported vandalism is just vandalism, really. Enviromental conditons are of course contributing, but not on a huge or even considerable scale.


Just because current stadiums are based on it, doesn't mean there are other possibilities as well, we need more architextural innovation.

What should be different? No really, what more do you want?



I was expressing my distaste of Roman culture, architecture, and specifically, the Coliseum. I was in no way goign out of my way to offend people, just sayign if I had the chance and there were no consequences to the action, I would get rid of it and use the stone and area for better purposes, as I dislike the usage, presence, and meaning behind the structure, and the means it was built with.

What is a 'better' purpose to you? I think history is a better purpose than whatever you'll have in mind.

[Dyst]

Just because current stadiums are based on it, doesn't mean there are [not] other possibilities as well, we need more architectural innovation.
I agree with you, by saying that we need architectural innovation and freethinking, however let's remember that if major corporations still use that ancient design, it has to be profitable, and therefore the best choise. It is basic logic to assume that a circle around a field gives room to most people.

This is going far out of topic though.