Marx-Engels-Lenin profile

[Zingu]

I was hopeing someone would have a fairly large picture of the famous "Marx-Engels-Lenin" profile shot used in many Soviet Parades. I need it for a school project, perferably could it be a simple design (please, not a picture that illustrates every one of Marx's 10 billion hairs) since I'm going to attempt for a school project in woodshop to make a plaque of it.

[NovelGentry]

http://images.google.com/images?q=Marx+Eng...G=Google+Search (http://images.google.com/images?q=Marx+Engels+Lenin&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search)

Behold the power of google.

[BOZG]

I thought Lenin was wearing a sombrero in the first one.

[NovelGentry]

Yeah it does kind of look like that....

http://www.dotink.org/~gent/content/Images/Humor/yousuck.gif

[Zingu]

I was hopeing for one that was not too detailed, so it would actually be possible to get on a wooden plauqe.... but anyways, I managed to get this after a little editing, here if anyone else needs to use it:


http://img129.exs.cx/img129/5497/communist3um.jpg

[Zingu]

My plan, any suggestions?

http://img69.exs.cx/img69/4725/communist110jj.jpg

[Tupac-Amaru]

Dude! Your school lets you make this kinda stuff? :o I once tried something similar, and i got detention, the teacher said it was cause i was making trouble in class, but the truth is that she was an anti-communist. :angry:

[American_Trotskyist]

No russian, it makes us look too pathetic. We look like we are just a bunch of dumbass kids who can't accept the USSR is gone, we need to be for the working class, and they won't respond well if it is in russian. It will just seem to them that we are just fools.

[Forward Union]

Why would you want to glorify these people? they are nothing more than people, as important as you or I. The concept itself is anti-communist.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 27 2005, 03:01 PM
Why would you want to glorify these people? they are nothing more than people, as important as you or I. The concept itself is anti-communist.
That's such a naïve comment. I mean come on!!! Marx and Engles INVENTED Communism, they diserve so much respect. Its prefectly allright to glorify these dudes, maybe you aint Marxist, but i am, and i feel it is good glorify the people who invented the a doctrine you believe in so profoundly.

[Forward Union]

Communism was around long before the writing's of Karl Marx. Though he contributed, he definitely didn't invent it.

Many people have done many great things. Being a marxist you should understand how important even the unfortunately exploited worker is to society. Why not glorify them? What about the Nurses, Doctors, coal miners?. I don't like celebrities; to give fame to one man for something he done is like saying that everyone else hasn't worked hard enough.

Thanks not to say i don't respect Karl Marx,

[Zingu]

Its.....cool...

There, explanation served

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Communism was around long before the writing's of Karl Marx.

What about Marxism? :P


Though he contributed, he definitely didn't invent it.

He did invent dialectical materialism, the founding principle of communism.


Why not glorify them?

Marx/Engels - formulating a system to oppose capitalism

Lenin - leading the worlds first workers revolution



What about the Nurses, Doctors, coal miners?.

All very well but no theory to overthrow capitalism or revolution.

You suffer from a fear of being branded a Stalinist or whatever, remember even the Soviet Union had its positives. It's hilarious to see you all defend capitalist perceptions of the theoriticians and leaders of the revoltuion.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 06:36 PM
It's hilarious to see you all defend capitalist perceptions of the theoriticians and leaders of the revoltuion.
Yep, i agree!

And "Anarcho Rebel", Im a fraid that Marx and Engles DID invent Communism. It is true that revolutionary worker's spirit had been around since the days of the French Revolution, and also the writing of Proudhon etc etc, but the concept of Communism was thought of by Marx and Engles only, and it is to them that we owe the theory of Communism!

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"Though he contributed, he definitely didn't invent it."

I suggest you get your facts right before you post harebrained comments such as these.

WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS CALLED THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO?

Marx and Engles DID invent the theory of Communism and they diserve to have pictures and statues and shit...so go home...you un-Marxist ignominious!

[Forward Union]

"A spectre is haunting europe, the spectre of communism"

Funny how this spectre of communism was haunting europe while he hadn't yet invented it. Communism was instituted in small communes in England during the Industrial revolution before Marx done his writings. Though not yet solidified.


All very well but no theory to overthrow capitalism or revolution.

You suffer from a fear of being branded a Stalinist or whatever, remember even the Soviet Union had its positives. It's hilarious to see you all defend capitalist perceptions of the theoriticians and leaders of the revoltuion.

I really couldn't give two shits what people brand me. I do however care about people that glorify others, for what?. If you want to show your respect for these people; fight for their ideals, if you want them to be remembered; spread the 'wisdom'. The only purpose for you to monument them is either that your to weak to live without a figurehead, or that you want to posses things that have a visually apealing quality.

The humble worker may not have concluded a brilliant ideology to overthrow capitalism, but he/she is the backbone of society. You've done what many capitalists do, and overlooked the importance of each and every worker. As I said earlier, he/she may not have done anything radical or out of the ordinary, but his or her work is no less valuable, than that of Marx.

Marx, Lenin, Trotsy have no less reason to be turned into objects of worship than Joe, or Jill blogs.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Oh dear God, he wrote the maifesto and that line in relation to the communism he had started to put out there, the ideas etc. He wasnt talking about some pre-Marx form of communism and it is hilarious that this is what you thought.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 08:34 PM
Oh dear God, he wrote the maifesto and that line in relation to the communism he had started to put out there, the ideas etc. He wasnt talking about some pre-Marx form of communism and it is hilarious that this is what you thought.
Perhaps that wasn't the correct interpretation of that line, though im still sceptical on how he started to put communism out there without even defining it.

That really wasn't the main part of my argument.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 28 2005, 08:30 PM


Funny how this spectre of communism was haunting europe while he hadn't yet invented it. Communism was instituted in small communes in England during the Industrial revolution before Marx done his writings
Are you totaly retarted? Has it ever occured to you that Marx wrote OTHER books BEFORE the Communist Manifesto.

And besides the phrase "A spectre is haunting europe, the spectre of communism" was used as a litterary presage to show the cappies that they have a new enemy; communism. It doesn't mean Marx was thinking to himself: "oh! this thing called Communism has been around for some time, i better write a book about it".

Hold on, you're telling me you still don't beleive that Marx invented Communism? And then you use the first line of the manifesto ( which is simply an introductionary litterary component, and NOT IN ANY WAY a form of analysis) to prove your point!!
Your argument is baseless mate...please dont use a beautiful quote and misinterpret it and assume Marx's thoughts...you can't postulate that phrase as saying "Communism has existed for some time"!!!!

And what is this shit about communes in England???? EXAMPLES???

Listen buddy, i suggest that you give me an argument with a strong substructure; NOT the first line of a book, and NOT some bullshit about some communes without giving us adequate evidence!!! If you are not capable of giving a commensurate argument, then ill have to assume you are completely retarded and have the brain capacity of Britney Spears.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 28 2005, 08:45 PM
im still sceptical on how he started to put communism out there without even defining it.


That goes to show you only read the first line of the manifeto and then gave up! He defines communism in the manifesto! THATS WHAT A MANIFESTO IS; A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions!!!!

My god!!! you are one stupid motherfucker

[Dyst]

Hey!!! Britney Spears is extremely intellectual, if I may say so!

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Tupac-[email protected] 28 2005, 08:51 PM
And what is this shit about communes in England???? EXAMPLES???

Listen buddy, i suggest that you give me an argument with a strong substructure; NOT the first line of a book, and NOT some bullshit about some communes without giving us adequate evidence!!! If you are not capable of giving a commensurate argument, then ill have to assume you are completely retarded and have the brain capacity of Britney Spears.
Firstly, Calm down. You seem to have gone into some sort of "Oh n0es h3s s4id $umm1nt B4D 4b0t M4Rx, K1ll HimZ" mode.

In focusing on one, foolish part of my point, you've missed my philosophical position; that marx done nothing to credit himself above others.

Read what I said about the workers, and please, be civil, cut down the swearing and panicking, talk normally. We're on the same side, no need for internal conflict, this is supposed to be a constructive and nurturing environment.

Meanwhile, you will have to wait until monday for me to find this information on communist style communes in northern England, They weren't self declared communist, though definitely communist in all but name. It certainly proves the concept wasn't entirly original.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 28 2005, 08:57 PM
It certainly proves the concept wasn't entirly original.
Of course!! I never dissagreed with that! I said so before, ever since the French Revolution the concept had been around. But the person who put it into writing and defined it was Marx, and it pissed me off that you dont want to acknowledge that! We owe him full credit for the ideal of communism, not some geezers in northern england.

[Zingu]

Look, the revolution is not doomed by a simple school project design.


This is the first time I ever seen a arguement in the Pictures section.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Jan 28 2005, 08:45 PM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Jan 28 2005, 08:45 PM)
[email protected] 28 2005, 08:34 PM
Oh dear God, he wrote the maifesto and that line in relation to the communism he had started to put out there, the ideas etc. He wasnt talking about some pre-Marx form of communism and it is hilarious that this is what you thought.
Perhaps that wasn't the correct interpretation of that line, though im still sceptical on how he started to put communism out there without even defining it.

That really wasn't the main part of my argument. [/b]

He had defined it before the Manifesto, the Manifesto was a response to a need to clarify the ideas he had developed for the workers.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Also Anarcho don't put me in with the group calling you a retard or whatever for not knowing or making that mistake. We are after all comrades.

Just to clarify.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 10:26 PM
Also Anarcho don't put me in with the group calling you a retard or whatever for not knowing or making that mistake. We are after all comrades.

Just to clarify.
I don't m8, this was just a misunderstanding. Though I do acknowledge that Marx defined communism, I still don't see how that is any more an achievement than any other hard working person. Its certainly important to us, historically, and I agree he should be remembered as more than 'any old person'. But beyond my other points, I fear that using these out of date images puts a somewhat, oldfashioned and stereotypical view on our, now modern cause.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Thats true but at the same time don't fear parading our heroes just because the enemy will view you as outmoded. Among comrades i.e. here there is no need to do so. Or even in school no image other than the hammer and sickle will give a better message that the leaders etc.