why did che leave Cuba?

[ComradeHuipe]

i got a question...i dont know if you guys have talked about this..most likely...but why did che really leave Cuba?

i remember talking to one of my friends about this, well actually two friends...one said that he left because of some "feud" between Castro and Che..that Che was becoming much more popular than Castro, and that Castro was afraid that Che might take away the support of the cuban people. this ended up Che leaving to the congo, and then bolivia, which became his funeral...also, he said that castro had promised to help Che out, but failed, and this ended in the execution of Che....

the other...
said that it was because Che had grown tired of working as a president of the bank, and he felt that he was much more useful in the battlefield, exporting revolutions...and he then decided to leave Cuba, because he might have viewed the Cuban revolution as a success..

i became a little more confused, and didnt really what to believe...do you guys know of anymore points of view on why Che left Cuba?

[Wiesty]

che had got into complications with the soviets, and had a meeting with che, they discussed, che said it was best for him to leave, he said had done his part in the revolution and would further it to the mountains of Columbia.

your better off to google it

[Thomas]

Also didn't he have different views on how Cuba should be run compared to Cienfuegos and Castro? He wanted less involvment with the Soviets and more contact with the third world. Whereas Castro was more interested in strengthening Cuba's military force due to tensions with the USA. So Che decided to leave and help third world countries and oppressed countries.

And as for him being better in the military field I don't think thats true, when Che and Castro overthrew Batista Che wasn't armed at the start, he was a field medic who picked up the gun of a fallen comrade. And fought on with that. Although I think it was his idea to stop the train with Batistas men in it. So I can't give you a clear answer, sorry.

[fernando]

Che left Cuba, probably because Castro and his other high placed leaders kind of got tired/afraid of Che's too radical ideas, like that everybody has to work, the creation of the New Man etc. Later on when he was in Africa he wrote a letter to Castro which only should have been read when he would die, however Castro read it when Che was still alive, hence making it impossible for Che to return.

But then again I got that info from a documentary which was based on a book by Pierre Kalfon...and for some reason I dont find him that relaiable, especially after seeing another documentary called Sacrificio.

[MILLEN-]

i read that book.. well in that book it says that che left cuba because deep inside he felt that he had to help the others on their revolutions.. and correct me if im wrong in that book it says that che since cuba revolution wanted to come back to a combat situation.. actually he said that he wanted to die fighting for the revolution so besides the other reasons this explains why he left cuba, i could be wrong :rolleyes:

[Subversive Pessimist]

che had got into complications with the soviets, and had a meeting with che, they discussed, che said it was best for him to leave, he said had done his part in the revolution and would further it to the mountains of Columbia.



Castro was pro-Soviet.

Che was pro-China.

Castro seemed to think that the "one crop country" (sugar plantations all around Cuba, a scar from the days were imperialist nations had direct control over Cuba) was okay.


I think Che was I (correct me if I am wrong) pro-heavy and light industry, independent, self-sufficient country.

Are there other differences between the ideas of Ernesto and Fidel?


I think that:

He was forced or pressured out of the Cuban government.

I think he had the choice of being killed in an "accident", or to leave Cuba, with the possibility to create other revolutions. That is how I see it.



che had got into complications with the soviets, and had a meeting with che, they discussed, che said it was best for him to leave, he said had done his part in the revolution and would further it to the mountains of Columbia.


Do you have any documentation on this?



Later on when he was in Africa he wrote a letter to Castro which only should have been read when he would die, however Castro read it when Che was still alive, hence making it impossible for Che to return.



Could you tell us a little more about this?

[Agent provocateur]

I don't believe there was a feud between Che and Fidel. Look Che told Fidel when they were still fighting against Batista, "After we win I am leaving for Guatemala. I have some unfinished business there." But after Batista fled for his life and Castro took over he persuaded Che to stay a couple of years to gain some experience in the new revolutionary government. Well a couple of years turned into several and they both experienced the Bay of Pigs and the Missile Crisis and American terrorism against Cuba (i.e. Operation Mongoose etc.). So at last Che was looking around him and Vietnam was going on and other revolutions were taking place and Che wanted to "lend his modest efforts." He wanted to take some of the pressure off Cuba by starting another revolution elsewhere so that the U.S. would have to attend to stopping other revolutions in other countries and therefore overspreading their troops and resources.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Personally, I think things are more complex then that.

[fernando]

Could you tell us a little more about this?

Well..Che wrote a farewell letter which Castro should have read to the Cuban people if Che died, however Castro did that while he was still in Congo. When Che heared about this he got very angry and said something in the lines that he couldnt get back to Cuba now.

It was on this documentary about Che, one of Che's soldiers was interviewed and he told that, the documentary was called Che Guevara: The Life Of A Legend. However, it is based on the book by Kalfon, which I find a very unreliable source.

Why I find the work by Kalfon not that good is because it portraits Ciro Bustos as THE traitor of Che, as a Judas with Christ, and Debray as some sort of Left Wing hero, while the Bolivian army found out Che was in Bolivia through Debray :rolleyes: And then in Sacrificio Kalfon tells the documentary makers that Bustos made a 50.000 word confession, but Kalfon only read small parts, and then just assumed that Bustos was the Judas. As you can see Im not a big fan of Pierre Kalfon and Regis Debray.

[Comité De Salut Public]

Yeah I know all about that video. The guy who makes the accusation is Daniel "Benigno" Alarcon. Well he is a malcontent and malcontents like to say things that are contrary to the orthodox offical statements. Che left because he was an "eternal revolutionary" like his son says.

Castro had to read that letter before Che was dead because the political situation in Cuba required it. There were rumors that Castro had put Che in jail or killed.
So the secrect had to be discarded to a certain extent and che's intention had to made clear.


http://www.el-comandante.com/camilo.htm

[ComradeHuipe]

...tanx for the info peeps....

i remember reading a book by jon lee anderson, Che: a revolutionary life, which i thought was a pretty good book...in my opinion...

in the book it states that che found the chinese to be a better model than the soviets...also..did castro attempt to help che while he was in bolivia, cus i remember that he did send some soldiers to the Congo, but i dont remember if he sent any while che was in Cuba...??

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 02:04 PM
Che left Cuba, probably because Castro and his other high placed leaders kind of got tired/afraid of Che's too radical ideas, like that everybody has to work, the creation of the New Man etc. Later on when he was in Africa he wrote a letter to Castro which only should have been read when he would die, however Castro read it when Che was still alive, hence making it impossible for Che to return.


Man what the heck are you talking about?

Ernesto left Cuba on his own free will. Ernesto was going to head off and start a revolution in Argentina and not in Colombia. However, Castro saw the idea as absurd and convinced him to head to the Congo. I think Castro saved his life by sending him to the Congo than to a stable nation (at the time).

Making it impossible for Ernesto to return? Then why the heck DID he return after fleeing from the Congo? Castro even sent some men to go and save Ernesto.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Colombia+Dec 12 2004, 05:43 AM--> (Colombia @ Dec 12 2004, 05:43 AM)
[email protected] 9 2004, 02:04 PM
Che left Cuba, probably because Castro and his other high placed leaders kind of got tired/afraid of Che's too radical ideas, like that everybody has to work, the creation of the New Man etc. Later on when he was in Africa he wrote a letter to Castro which only should have been read when he would die, however Castro read it when Che was still alive, hence making it impossible for Che to return.


Man what the heck are you talking about?

Ernesto left Cuba on his own free will. Ernesto was going to head off and start a revolution in Argentina and not in Colombia. However, Castro saw the idea as absurd and convinced him to head to the Congo. I think Castro saved his life by sending him to the Congo than to a stable nation (at the time).

Making it impossible for Ernesto to return? Then why the heck DID he return after fleeing from the Congo? Castro even sent some men to go and save Ernesto. [/b]
Ok. Im telling you what I got from the documentary...but then again it was based on Kalfon's work...Kalfon shouldnt be seen as that reliable.

Che had concepts for "Voluntary Labour" he even wanted the high ranking leaders to participate. Rumour is that that is the reason why Castro send Che out around the world (show the Cuban Revolution, meeting the world leaders).

If we also were to believe 'Sacreficio' Che had plans all along to go to Argentina like you said, he had planned it all along with Ciro Bustos (who Kalfon described a the Judas of Che's life).

After Congo Che went to Vienna or Prague (I forgot which one it was). After that he went to Cuba, in cognito. Or was that the meeting when Che and Castro talked for hours behind closed door...or was that when he returned from his world tour?

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 11:52 AM

Could you tell us a little more about this?

Well..Che wrote a farewell letter which Castro should have read to the Cuban people if Che died, however Castro did that while he was still in Congo. When Che heared about this he got very angry and said something in the lines that he couldnt get back to Cuba now.

It was on this documentary about Che, one of Che's soldiers was interviewed and he told that, the documentary was called Che Guevara: The Life Of A Legend. However, it is based on the book by Kalfon, which I find a very unreliable source.

Why I find the work by Kalfon not that good is because it portraits Ciro Bustos as THE traitor of Che, as a Judas with Christ, and Debray as some sort of Left Wing hero, while the Bolivian army found out Che was in Bolivia through Debray :rolleyes: And then in Sacrificio Kalfon tells the documentary makers that Bustos made a 50.000 word confession, but Kalfon only read small parts, and then just assumed that Bustos was the Judas. As you can see Im not a big fan of Pierre Kalfon and Regis Debray.
the farewell letter was not about che dieing, it was about him leaving cuba.

[fernando]

With that you might be right, but he wanted it to be read after he died.

[Wiesty]

in case you guys want to read it, heres the farewell letter

At this moment I remember many things-when I met you in Maria Antonia's house, when you proposed I come along, all the tensions involved in the preparations." One day they came by and asked who should be notified in case of death, and the real possibility of it struck us all. Later we knew it was true, that in a revolution one wins or dies (if it is a real one). Many comrades fell along the way to victory.

Today everything has a less dramatic tone, because we are more mature, but the event repeats itself. I feel that I have fulfilled the part of my duty that tied me to the Cuban revolution in its territory, and I say farewell to you, to the comrades, to your people, who now are mine.
I formally resign my positions in the leadership of the party, my post as minister, my rank of commander, and my Cuban citizenship. Nothing legal binds me to Cuba. The only ties are of another nature-those that cannot be broken as can appointments to posts.
Reviewing my past life, I believe I have worked with sufficient integrity and dedication to consolidate the revolutionary triumph. My only serious failing was not having had more confidence in you from the first moments in the Sierra Maestra, and not having understood quickly enough your qualities as a leader and a revolutionary.

I have lived magnificent days, and at your side I felt the pride of belonging to our people in the brilliant yet sad days of the Caribbean crisis." Seldom has a statesman been more brilliant as you were in those days. I am also proud of having followed you without hesitation, of having identified with your way of thinking and of seeing and appraising dangers and principles.
Other nations of the world summon my modest efforts of assistance. I can do that which is denied you due to your responsibility at head of Cuba, and the time has come for us to part.

You should know that I do so with a mixture of joy and sorrow. I leave here the purest of my hopes as a builder and the dearest of those I hold dear. And I leave a people who received me as a son. That wounds a part of my spirit. I carry to new battlefronts the faith that you taught me, the revolutionary spirit of my people, the feeling of fulfilling the most sacred of duties: to fight against imperialism wherever one may be. This is a source of strength, and more than heals the deepest of wounds.

I state once more that I free Cuba from all responsibility, except that which stems from its example. If my final hour finds me under other skies, my last thought will be of this people and especially of you. I am grateful for your teaching and your example, to which I shall try to be faithful up to the final consequences of my acts.

I have always been identified with the foreign policy of our revolution, and I continue to be. Wherever I am, I will feel the responsibility of being a Cuban revolutionary, and I shall behave as such. I am not sorry that I leave nothing material to my wife and children; I am happy it is that way. I ask nothing for them, as the state will provide them with enough to live on and receive an education.

I would have many things to say to you and to our people, but I feel they are unnecessary. Words cannot express what I would like them to, and there is no point in scribbling pages.

Ever onward to victory!
Homeland or Death!
I embrace you with all my revolutionary fervour.

Che

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 02:58 PM
With that you might be right, but he wanted it to be read after he died.
Not so. It was more of a personal letter to Castro. Castro decided the public should hear it as well.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 11:52 AM

Could you tell us a little more about this?

Well..Che wrote a farewell letter which Castro should have read to the Cuban people if Che died, however Castro did that while he was still in Congo. When Che heared about this he got very angry and said something in the lines that he couldnt get back to Cuba now.

It was on this documentary about Che, one of Che's soldiers was interviewed and he told that, the documentary was called Che Guevara: The Life Of A Legend.

Which soldier was in this documentary, Benigno? Actually, he wasn't even in the Congo contrary to his claims - this should give the measure of this "defector's" credibility when it comes to his other anti-Cuba accusations. See "Conflicting Missions" by Piero Gliejeses- which is accurate, extremely well-documented. Why place any faith on writers you admit are unreliable when there are books like Conflicting Missions out there?

This has been brought up before and actually that letter was to be read whenever the Cuban government found it convenient. Now we even have somebody in this thread claiming it was never to be made public at all - Christ just read the letter, obviously it's intended to give a public explanation of his absence. Castro read it to refute rumors that Che had disappeared because the Cuban government had done away with him over some political quarrel - some things never change huh?

IIRC Che never had any intention of returning to Cuba - remember, he resigned his posts and even Cuban citizenship in order to protect Cuba from the consequences of his actions. No "anger" towards Castro is reflected in any of his diaries.



As to other posts in this thread: there is no evidence of any major political disagreement or falling-out between Che and Fidel. In particular, let me point out that not only Che, but also Fidel, was publicly critical of the USSR during this period. This has been discussed previously - my post of Aug. 3 in this thread answers most of this stuff. (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1227&st=40)

Nobody, in any of these threads, has ever been able to produce any serious evidence to support any of these rumors. Rarely does anyone mention any source at all and when they do it's highly shady.

Oh yeah, I don't remember Anderson's book saying that Che was pro-Maoist. Heck, it even quotes him saying that the Chinese government had people following him around, waiting outside his hotel, etc., when he was abroad in order to make him look pro-Maoist and cause him trouble with the Soviets.

Che was willing to work with pro-Chinese groups in Bolivia and elsewhere and seems not to have seen much purpose to the Sino-Soviet split...but in this he's little if any different than Fidel, who avoided taking sides as long as possible, and as late as the 70s criticized both China and the USSR for letting their petty disagreements get in the way of helping Vietnam.

[Salvador Allende]

Several things complicated the relations between Che and Fidel. Che had always been a very hardline supporter of Josef Stalin and had admired him since he was a kid and strongly disagreed with Khruschev's destalinization process. Che began to side more openly with the Anti-Revisionists in Albania, China and Korea. However, the main reason Che left was because he thought he would never be done with his duty to the proletariat unless he helped spread revolution further and left to go to Bolivia. The feud was quite minor and wasn't like Che got booted from Cuba for supporting Stalin, after all, it is quite well known that the Second Secretary Raul Castro is a very staunch Stalin-supporter.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Salvador [email protected] 12 2004, 07:39 PM
Che....strongly disagreed with Khruschev's destalinization process. Che began to side more openly with the Anti-Revisionists in Albania, China and Korea.
....
The feud was quite minor and wasn't like Che got booted from Cuba for supporting Stalin, after all, it is quite well known that the Second Secretary Raul Castro is a very staunch Stalin-supporter.
Source? Quotes from Che on the subject, so people can decide for themselves how to characterize his views? Evidence there was any "feud" at all, minor or otherwise?

I don't dispute that Che may have said something praising Stalin at some point; that's not the issue.

Nor would I dispute that Che expressed admiration for the Chinese revolution; so did Fidel Castro, even in his speech marking the break of friendly relations with China. text of speech (http://www1.lanic.utexas.edu/la/cb/cuba/castro/1966/19660314)

Which, I might point out, occurred only in 1966, years after the break between the USSR and China, and occurred as a result of decisions taken by China, not Cuba.

But I seriously doubt you can show any statement by Che expressing support for China over the USSR in their pointless squabble.

[sim22]

you people have read so many books on che, you've forgotton what's in them! Che CHOSE to leave Cuba. He wanted all of south america to be joined, just helping one country wasnt going to do do that. If he wanted to concentrate on one country, he wouldnt have ridden a motorbike all over south america would he! And Columbia, what's this about "why the heck did he return to cuba" :angry: . Che may have concentrated a lot on his job, but he had his wife, his children, his friends all there, when we talk about che, we speak of a legend, but he was a man first. He was allowed to feel lonely. He missed his mother like hell, maybe he just wanted to see her one last time? He could have been murdered at any moment, how would you feel with that knowledge??? I dont think there was a falling out between Fidel and Che, Fidel was like an uncle to Che's children even today. You guys think about this stuff too much, what makes Che such an idol, is that he achieved so much, yet he was just a man.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 06:56 AM
you people have read so many books on che, you've forgotton what's in them! Che CHOSE to leave Cuba. He wanted all of south america to be joined, just helping one country wasnt going to do do that. If he wanted to concentrate on one country, he wouldnt have ridden a motorbike all over south america would he! And Columbia, what's this about "why the heck did he return to cuba" :angry: . Che may have concentrated a lot on his job, but he had his wife, his children, his friends all there, when we talk about che, we speak of a legend, but he was a man first. He was allowed to feel lonely. He missed his mother like hell, maybe he just wanted to see her one last time? He could have been murdered at any moment, how would you feel with that knowledge??? I dont think there was a falling out between Fidel and Che, Fidel was like an uncle to Che's children even today. You guys think about this stuff too much, what makes Che such an idol, is that he achieved so much, yet he was just a man.
He said he would never return to Cuba and yet he did. <_< If you say you will never return why will you return? If he wanted to see his mother, he could of gone to Argentina and see her in prison.

[fernando]

Why was his mother in prison?

[RedAnarchist]

I&#39;ve never heard of his mother being in prison. It may have been due to her beliefs in Peronist Argentina?

[sim22]

he&#39;s allowed to change his mind isn&#39;t he???? Again i tell you that he was just a person, have you read the letters he wrote to his family when he was away??? He knew his youngest children mainly by photos&#33; And what&#39;s with his mother being in prison?? Do you have any proof on that?

[Colombia]

It amazes me how you all keep on talking yet you did not realize that Guevara&#39;s mother was in prison thanks to the left&#33;

My source. Anderson&#39;s book and I will post my source soon.

[colombiano]

Colombia may I ask what are your political ideologies? I see Che is next to your name but yet you seem to have a deep resentment towards him and the left. That is to be understood by what has been going on in Colombia since the start of La Violencia. However I do not think The FARC nor The ELN are what Che envisioned. Nor do I think the AUC is a political or (military) group to admire. I can sympathize with the arguement that "If there were No Che then there would be NO Geurilla in My country " , However I find that to be false. Simple cause and effect. The corruption and the Right created the problem with the massacres and mass murders ,the Left was simply a reactionary resistance. Please explain your self and understand that I am NOT attacking you I would just like the opinion of a fellow Colombian.
Feliz Navidad&#33;

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 01:01 PM
It amazes me how you all keep on talking yet you did not realize that Guevara&#39;s mother was in prison thanks to the left&#33;

My source. Anderson&#39;s book and I will post my source soon.
I did not have the time to finish Anderson&#39;s book...being in my final year is kinda stressing ;)

But ok...Che&#39;s mother was in prison thanks to the left...that is a very vague way of putting it, could you tell me why exactly she was sent to prison, why did the Argentinian government send a woman suffering from cancer to jail? Because of her son&#39;s actions?

[Colombia]

On why I sympathize with Felix pg437

On why the mother went to jail pg 561-564

To my fellow Colombian.

I hold no resentment to Guevara at all. I merely am sick and tired of Guevara idolizers acting like he was god and that they know everything about him.

I do not blame Guevara for the civil war in Colombia. From what I have read in regards to La Violencia, I blame only the conservatives and liberals who constantly thought that fighting would help get them into power.

[fernando]

I read page 437...and I cannot see why you would sympatise with him, he just sounds like a bitter little boy who lost pride and money because his family was in a high position of a murderous regime.

And I read the part on his mom in prison...she was arrested because they (Argentinian right wing military junta) believed that she had subversive Cuban propaganda and was an agent of her infamous son (page 561), I can hardly blame that on the left, perhaps blaming it on the right would be a better thing here&#33;

I agree with you that it&#39;s tireing to see Guevara worshipped as a God, but in his life he has shown qualities which to some might be considered &#39;holy&#39; or almost &#39;Christ-like&#39; since we life in a system which is completely the opposite.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 09:17 AM
I read page 437...and I cannot see why you would sympatise with him, he just sounds like a bitter little boy who lost pride and money because his family was in a high position of a murderous regime.

And I read the part on his mom in prison...she was arrested because they (Argentinian right wing military junta) believed that she had subversive Cuban propaganda and was an agent of her infamous son (page 561), I can hardly blame that on the left, perhaps blaming it on the right would be a better thing here&#33;

I agree with you that it&#39;s tireing to see Guevara worshipped as a God, but in his life he has shown qualities which to some might be considered &#39;holy&#39; or almost &#39;Christ-like&#39; since we life in a system which is completely the opposite.
Can you actually say that you beleive the minister of public works actually did anything murderous?

[fernando]

He had a high position in the murderous regime, he might not have killed people himself, but he still joined this government, you could almost compare that to a minister who had nothing to do with the killing of Jews in the Nazi regime.

[thorgar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:30 PM

Can you actually say that you beleive the minister of public works actually did anything murderous?


Before Che was minister of industry, his first appointed position was that of military governor of La Cabana prison. Here he was responsible for the trial and execution of members of the ousted Batista regime.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 03:03 PM
He had a high position in the murderous regime, he might not have killed people himself, but he still joined this government, you could almost compare that to a minister who had nothing to do with the killing of Jews in the Nazi regime.
So in your terms, Lenin was evil because he worked alongside Stalin. Is that how you are comparing the two?

Fernando I think you really need to look at yourself closely.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by thorgar+Dec 26 2004, 04:54 PM--> (thorgar @ Dec 26 2004, 04:54 PM)
[email protected] 26 2004, 02:30 PM

Can you actually say that you beleive the minister of public works actually did anything murderous?


Before Che was minister of industry, his first appointed position was that of military governor of La Cabana prison. Here he was responsible for the trial and execution of members of the ousted Batista regime. [/b]
Your point being?

[Colombia]

I got a better example. Was Ernesto Guevara murderous because he and the whole Cuban government received aid from the evil Stalin regime?

[Hopes_Guevara]

Originally posted by Subversive [email protected] 9 2004, 02:25 PM

Che was pro-China.


I don&#39;t think Che was pro-China.
There were many contradictions between Che&#39;s point of view and Soviet. But this isn&#39;t mean that Che was pro-China (lots of people suggested that Che supported China in Soviet-China political crisis in 1960s). Che opposed Soviet because Che insisted that Soviet&#39;s behaviours to The Thirld World weren&#39;t fair and that Soviet carried out dividing power influences with US. Che suggested that those were a different expression of imperialism. The deepest ideal of Che was to liberate povery classes all over the World without any selfishness even for his nation.
Meanwhile I suppose that the reason Beijing confront Moscow was simply interest problems and Beijing also want to assert its position as a "New power" in the Socialist World. Che serriously condemned The Soviet-China contradiction in "Message to The Tricontinental" (1966). Che thought this caused lots of difficulties to countries of the Thirld World in the national liberation movements.

[Hopes_Guevara]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 01:12 PM
Why was his mother in prison?
Che&#39;s mother was in prison because she supported Cuban goverment and Socialism. Argentinian Goverment didn&#39;t like this.

[Hopes_Guevara]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 01:12 PM
Why was his mother in prison?
Che&#39;s mother was in prison because she supported Cuban goverment and Socialism. Argentinian Goverment didn&#39;t like this.

[aberos]

whatever that damned documentary that everyone apparently watched was total horse manuer. che left cuba because he felt that he had taken it as far as he needed to. at that point cuba had become solidified in communism, and it was time to move on to other nations which needed his help. che wanted to go immediately to bolivia to begin the revolution in sa, but fidel talked him out of it by promising to set up a network for him if he would go elsewhere first. so che decided to leave for the congo.

che&#39;s letter was a farewell letter, not a death letter, to fidel that was intended as private, but it was made public because the cubans were starting to wonder what was afoot.

che came back to cuba to see fidel and to make sure things were ready in bolivia.

che was very pro-china and was causing a bit of a stir within the ussr because of this due to bad sino-soviet relations at the time. this is where the common misconception of a falling out between fidel and che arises because che said all of the things that fidel, as a leader, could not. fidel had to be careful with the ussr because they were the iv of the cuban society while it was just beginning, and che was quickly becoming anti-soviet because of the corruption within the party. he was notorious for making statements that created a tension between him and the soviets as time wore on. this may have generated a falling out between the ussr and che, but fidel and che loved one another until the end.

and as far as pissing off high ranking officials within the regime because of his ideas of manual labor and everyone working. the only people who were angry were the old false communists, and even they could not get too angry because che was always the first to volunteer to work out in the fields or on the docks.

and as far as considering che similar to hitler and the nazis goes, don&#39;t be stupid. the only people who were executed in the cuban war trials were members of the old batista regime who were guilty of the most brutal crimes against the cuban peoples. to say that being a hammer of justice is like killing a bunch of jews is ludicrous and shows a very low comprehension of the topic.

if you are going to insist on posting about che guevara and his life, please double check your facts, or even double check to see if you actually have facts. and, most importantly, make sure that your resources are credible. furthermore please avoid harshly speaking of che in a room devoted to him and his legacy. if you do not like the man, stick to the cappie room.

[Colombia]

I agree with all you say Aberos but Che wanted to go to Argentina, not to Bolivia. Bolivia was just plan B.

[aberos]

he did want to go to argentina, but i was under the impression that he wished to start in bolivia because of its central location on the sa continent.

[fernando]

Che was later on persuaded to go to Bolivia first IIRC

[SpeCtrE]

Simple...

To spread the revolution elsewhere... More like Exporting Revolution.

[aberos]

i think that we have been in agreement with that point eagle

[aztecklaw]

In all honesty, I thought the reason was quite simple:

He just wanted to continue the revolution. Che&#39;s mission wasn&#39;t to grab Cuba, but to unify all lation nations into one.

I just see him and continuing his mission and the Congo was the best strategic nation to go to next - it was weak and ripe for the pickings.

Should I look into more details on him leaving Cuba? I feel a bit safe that the answer to this question is quite simple.

[OleMarxco]

Well, he weren&#39;t any much content with Castro&#39;s complacency and comforting with getting Cuba, that&#39;s one thing for once, that, and they had some...shall we say, theoretical and political disagreements as of "lately". To go straight to the core: Castro was pro-Soviet, and Leninist. Guevara was pro-China, and Maoist. I guess you could figure out the rest by yourself that an ample opportunity to leave Cuba was tempting - Even &#39;tho if Che did not get material aid from his &#39;friend&#39; Fidel ;)

[Severian]

OleMarxco, that&#39;s completely false, an old CIA slander that&#39;s been refuted in detail many times on these boards. There&#39;s a reason there&#39;s a sticky thread on the death of Che at the top of this forum.

Sticky thread link, see my posts particularly (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=1227&st=40)

Another thread where this was discussed. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32414&st=0)

[OleMarxco]

I see. Perhaps I have only merely been misguided...oh well, what does it matter? It&#39;s only an ol&#39; history, now - But a burning legend &#39;tho, that is ;)

[red_orchestra]

Che and Castro were fighting for similar causes. However, their was a falling out between Castro and Che...I believe the approach to Communisation was in question. Both of them were pro-Soviet.

[fernando]

Che wasnt that pro Soviet...just try to find his speech in Algiers ;)

[aberos]

as i recall, che was becoming increasingly violently opposed to soviet communism. and there was no falling out between che and fidel because fidel loved che before all else.

and che did not go to the congo for strategic purposes. che went to the congo because fidel was able to dissuade him from going directly to bolivia so that he could establish a network for him.