A Peaceful Revolution.

[A_Devious_Mind]

there must be millions of communists,people like us out there...why wont anyone do anything? yeah we're cowards.....so why not aproach the united nations and the countries of the world and request them for a piece of land.......where we the people who belive in communism can try it out....see if it works....and most importantly....get away from the wrath of capitalism.

[RedAnarchist]

Your idea is too naive and utopian. First, the UN cannot just give you land and most capitalist nations woulnt want to, especially if you wanted to create a Communist society with it.

Secondly, the land wouldnt survive. The capitalist nations wouldnt trade with you, and most likley any land given to you by capitalists would be barren.

Thirdly, you cannot just call some land a Socialist country, put a bunch of leftists on it and and expect to actually acheive Communism. Communism is the child opf Capitalism. It needs to grow in Capitalism, and like Capitalism did to its parent Feudalism, will destroy Capitalism.

Its a nice idea, but its just not viable, unfortunately.

[A_Devious_Mind]

stupid ass capitalists.
i hope we get rid of that shit as soon as possible.

[RedAnarchist]

We certainly will, it is inevitable, as society eventually always progresses leftwards.

[Wurkwurk]

Very true statement XPhile: "society eventually always progresses leftwards"

I tell to all my fellow high schoolers why liberalism is always winning; look at this for example. In the 1950's and 60's, there was uproar about having a single bed in the house in 'I Love Lucy' and the same for Elvis's pelvic thrusting.
TODAY, it shows people having sex those beds, and Brittany Spear's doing FAR more than pelvic thrusting....on public TV! Liberalism is the eventual victor my friends, so never lose your hope.

[Synthesis of thought]

sir , that isnt the same kid of liberalism, thats social liberalism, which by definition means less control of government over society. the economic liberal is kinda the oppisite, more government control over the economy. so no offense, but that doesnt work sir.

like me, im all for communism or syndicalism, but im not for leagalizing all drugs or letting there be sex and violence all over tv. i think it should be allowed, jsut discouraged. and not all drugs are recreational... i ahve never met the occasional heroin user. only the addict. so im economicly pretty far left, and socialy a little left, but not like "do whatever you want as long as you dont hurt anyone"

politicalcompass.org


you all can tell me it isnt acurate, but what it does is teach you that there are 2 spectrums, economic and social...like abortion, social issue.. gay marraige, social issue...taxes, economic... welfare...economic... one can be completly liberal socialy and very conservative economicly...which would mean they want the right to do whatever theyw ant, and not have to pay taxes...where as an economic liberal who is socialy conservative, would want to restrict what people can do, and also control the economy... like stalin if im not mistaken..


if all i am saying is a lie people tell me

i attached my test that i just took, if anyone else wants tota ke it and post thatd be cool , im curious

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

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Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.90

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Wurkwurk - what you're describing is far from a victory for the left, though I have no doubt there are bougie-liberals who are profitting from it. Rather, the specific instance represents the spectacularization and commodification of sex and sexuality, and one look at the grrrl vommiting after every meal should assure that it's not openness about sexuality, but simply a new and more profitable mystification thereof.

[Subversive Pessimist]

We certainly will, it is inevitable, as society eventually always progresses leftwards.



No, it is not inevitable.

And society does not always progress leftwards. Look at the history of Russia/Soviet from 1900-2000. Look at Cuba from 1950-2004. There is no such thing as "always progressing leftwards".

[RedAnarchist]

Maybe it isnt inevitable, but Capitalism has to fall at some point in the future, and people must ensure that Communism has the best chance of suceeding it.

[A_Devious_Mind]

we cant just sit here like whooses waiting for capitalism to fall.....we have to play a part in its fall....its not gunna fall just like that......a war,a battle,a conflict is required.

[NovelGentry]

......a war,a battle,a conflict is required.

What is required long before this is to ensure that we have the proper means to fight such a battle, which currently the US does not. I cannot speak for other nations. Thus our primary goal at the moment should be raising the consciousness of the working class to recognize the class antagonisms and thus present them with a reason to see it the same way we already do.

Something we should look to avoid in all situations is jumping too early. When the right amount of people are revolutionary the revolution will become not only inevitable but imanent, if revolution is pushed with anything but a majority of truly revolutionary people it will suffocate under it's reactionary counterpart. The trap is in thinking that just because people are willing to fight or support a revolution that they are revolutionary.

[Synthesis of thought]

agreed. we need to start to make a base of socialist thought

[A_Devious_Mind]

i took the test,heres what i got.

[Hiero]

the economic liberal is kinda the oppisite, more government control over the economy. so no offense, but that doesnt work sir.



Economic liberalism is less government control. Liberalism means free, so if aeconomy is liberal that means there is less government control meaning that there is private property.

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[Guest_guest]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 09:27 AM
We certainly will, it is inevitable, as society eventually always progresses leftwards.
no.it is a stagnation and a shame.what is inevital is ,return to start case.

[RedAnarchist]

Gaf, youre making less sense than usual.

[Elmo]

How can a peaceful revolution against capatilsm work? by gathering more people to our way of thinking we are progressing, BUT we have not yet won. When the mass's are gatherd then we can go on the offence, its the only way possible.

[captain donald]

How can a peaceful revolution against capatilsm work?

Unity. With a violent revolution people will lose faith and family. If we manage a pacifist revolution, we will be able to open up people to new ideas and they will not be blinded by the ideas of bloody revolution. Civil Disobedience is a greater weapon then all of us running out there with guns. It is our corporations who run this country, therefore destroy the corporations in turn the economy will die, people will lose faith in our government, and we will have our chance to aim for a successful communist nation.