"We want to decimate that goddamned place..."

[Agent provocateur]

President Richard Nixon: "… We want to decimate that goddamned place … North Vietnam is going to get reordered … It's about time. It's what should have been done years ago."

"You're so goddamned concerned about the civilians, and I don't give a damn. I don't care."
—Nixon to Kissinger in 1972, admonishing his aide about concerns over killing Vietnamese civilians


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5079259/site/newsweek/


http://www.nam-vet.net/mylai.jpg

http://www.yale.edu/yale300/democracy/may1text/images/Vietnamshooting.jpg

http://www.uiowa.edu/~policult/assets/VietNam/napalm_kim_phuc.jpg

http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war-crimes/my-lai-massacre/my_lai_m16_woman_gray.jpg

http://www.inminds.co.uk/my-lai-3.jpg


http://www.caretas.com.pe/2003/1788/web/vietnam/31-2.jpg


http://www.caretas.com.pe/2003/1788/web/vietnam/31-1.jpg

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/thisiswar/my-lai4.jpg

[leftist resistance]

:o

[themanwhodoesnotexist]

peace....
i will qoute KRS ONE......"im kind of glad nixon died"
AH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cubalibra]

Nixon was the worst, just as corrupt as the present Bush. I'm glad he's dead and burning in hell!

[The Invisible Man]

Vietnam has not changed a thing about U.S. foreign policy. Our leaders are still the murdering thieves and thugs they have always been.

[Hampton]

In honor of Colin leaving the administration we should note his role in the My Lai massacre.


While a horrific example of a Vietnam war crime, the My Lai massacre was not unique. It fit a long pattern of indiscriminate violence against civilians that had marred U.S. participation in the Vietnam War from its earliest days when Americans acted primarily as advisers.

In 1963, Capt. Colin Powell was one of those advisers, serving a first tour with a South Vietnamese army unit. Powell's detachment sought to discourage support for the Viet Cong by torching villages throughout the A Shau Valley. While other U.S. advisers protested this countrywide strategy as brutal and counter-productive, Powell defended the "drain-the-sea" approach then -- and continued that defense in his 1995 memoirs, My American Journey. (See The Consortium, July 8)

After his first one-year tour and a series of successful training assignments in the United States, Maj. Powell returned for his second Vietnam tour on July 27, 1968. This time, he was no longer a junior officer slogging through the jungle, but an up-and-coming staff officer assigned to the Americal division.

By late 1968, Powell had jumped over more senior officers into the important post of G-3, chief of operations for division commander, Maj. Gen. Charles Gettys, at Chu Lai. Powell had been "picked by Gen. Gettys over several lieutenant colonels for the G-3 job itself, making me the only major filling that role in Vietnam," Powell wrote in his memoirs.

Link. (http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html)


The My Lai massacre. On March 16, 1968, US soldiers from the Americal Division slaughtered 347 civilians--primarily old men, women, children, and babies--in the Vietnamese village of My Lai 4 (pronounced, very appropriately, as "me lie"). The grunts also engaged in torture and rape of the villagers.

Around six months later, a soldier in the 11th Light Infantry Brigade--known among the men as "the Butcher's Brigade"--wrote a letter telling of widespread killing and torturing of Vietnamese civilians by entire units of the US military (he did not specifically refer to My Lai). The letter was sent to the general in charge of 'Nam and trickled down the chain of command to Major Colin Powell, a deputy assistant chief of staff at the Americal Division, who was charged with investigating the matter and formulating a response.

After a desultory check--which consisted mainly of investigating the soldier who wrote the letter, rather than his allegations--Powell reported that everything was hunkey-dory. There may be some "isolated incidents" by individual bad seeds, but there were no widespread atrocities. He wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." The matter was closed.

Link. (http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id803/pg1/)

[Latifa]

I've seen those photos before, and shit, are they moving.

[Leninist thug]

We are having our very own wave of "decimation" over in Iraq. I see a lot of parallels with Vietnam. The recent operation in Fallujah demonstrates that they need to destroy Iraq in order to save it like happened in Indochina. Fallujah is now a ghost town full of rubble and debris and innumerable corpses.

[Latifa]

Originally posted by Leninist [email protected] 8 2004, 04:28 PM
We are having our very own wave of "decimation" over in Iraq. I see a lot of parallels with Vietnam. The recent operation in Fallujah demonstrates that they need to destroy Iraq in order to save it like happened in Indochina. Fallujah is now a ghost town full of rubble and debris and innumerable corpses.
Very true.

[che's long lost daughter]

Muhammad Ali's decision on not joining th US forces during the war is absolutely right...what is happening in Iraq at present is merely a deja vu of what happened in Vietnam. Moving pictures by the way.

[redtrigger]

Iraq does not even compare to Vietnam. My dad has told me stories about how his friends would be shipped off and a week later they would come home in bodybags. He said sometimes he would be going to one funeral a week. I am not saying the atrocites by the US are forgivable, but Americans died too and most of them didn't want to even be over there.

[The Invisible Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 07:18 PM
Iraq does not even compare to Vietnam. My dad has told me stories about how his friends would be shipped off and a week later they would come home in bodybags. He said sometimes he would be going to one funeral a week. I am not saying the atrocites by the US are forgivable, but Americans died too and most of them didn't want to even be over there.
redtrigger:

Iraq is in the early stages of Vietnam. some say it is Vietnam 1966.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/suicide_bom...an_05_2005.html (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/suicide_bombing_video_attack_on_us_military_convoy _Jan_05_2005.html)

[Saint-Just]

The difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that although similar numbers are dying in the early stage of the conflict the U.S. initially had far less troops in Vietnam.

On E-G there is a thread that has information from previous predictions of the size of the rebel force in Iraq. One prediction is that it is made up of around 200,000 men.

[Marat]

Thank you I just lost my breakfast

[amusing foibles]

I think the constant Vietnam-Iraq comparisons are largely grasping at straws and nostalgia for the 60s/70s anti-war movement. Iraq will never be Vietnam... the situations and conditions are, necessarily, completely different. They are both tragedies of US foreign policy, and Iraq stands on its own on that count without any unnecessary comparisons.

[Anarchist Freedom]

damn thats fucking horrible. DAMN YOU NIXON DAMN YOU!!!!!

[RevolutionaryLeftist]

dude, that is sooooooooo fucked up.

[FeArANDLoAtHiNg]

"Richard Nixon has never been one of my favorite people anyway. For years I've regarded his existence as a monument to all the rancid genes and broken chromosones that corrupt the possibilities of the American Dream; he was a foul caricature of himself, a man with no soul, no inner convictions, with the integrity of a hyena and the style of a poison toad. The Nixon I remembered was absolutely humorless; I couldn't imagine him laughing at anything except maybe a paraplegic who wanted to vote Democratic but couldn't quite reach the lever on the voting machine." -Hunter S. Thompson

"If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin."-Hunter S. Thompson

[Invader Zim]

I have only just noticed this thread, even at this late stage a question must be asked; why are you posting pictures which most people have seen before on numerous occasions? Is it some attempt to get an emotional reaction out of people, to spread a piece of propaganda, I really can’t see your aims, what is it? What constructive context are you trying to put these pictures in? Or is just the shock factor you are after?

[Dwarf Kirlston]

Is Rummy still a friend to Tricky Dick's philosophy?

"regarding the torture of others" by susan sontag was an awesome read. Abu Ghraib pictures vs Vietnam pictures.

[EDIT: forgot some vital stuff]

Decimate means kill 10%. Vonnegut notes this in some interview...

[Marat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 11:40 PM
I have only just noticed this thread, even at this late stage a question must be asked; why are you posting pictures which most people have seen before on numerous occasions? Is it some attempt to get an emotional reaction out of people, to spread a piece of propaganda, I really can’t see your aims, what is it? What constructive context are you trying to put these pictures in? Or is just the shock factor you are after?
I do not know what was in the mind of the author of this message/post but I can tell you that not everyone has seen those pictures ... especially not the teeny boppers who come here from the Che site. I've never seen them.

[resisting arrest with violence]

Wonder if the U.S. would conduct another war of this magnitude. We need more leftist teachers in the classrooms to dissuade kids from entering the military. I remeber watching the film "All Quiet on the Western Front" and the opening scenes show a teacher exhorting his students to defend their country. Chomsky is right when he says:

"The rascal multitude are the proper targets of the mass media and a public education system geared to obedience and training in needed skills, including the skill of repeating patriotic slogans on timely occasions."

[Major. Rudiger]

Great quotes from Hunter S. Thompson... I'm still shocked that he killed himself. Oh, yea did you hear about the conspureces. That he was killed by the goverment, becuase he was writing a book about 9/11 and what really went down... Also he "shot himself" when he was on the phone. sorry for that i had to get it out :P


I thougth nixon was stil alive. When did he die?
But yeah that guy was a racist Facist... I want to kill him, or re-kill him

[Matthew The Great]

Nixon died in 1994.

But he lives on in the cartoon Futurama.

[viva le revolution]

Richard nixon through that quotation has displayed typical Christian fascist thinking. The feeling of moral superiority that these people have over others.
It shows the typical imperialistic mode of thinking that anybody who defies us deserves to be punished and obliterated.No distinctions are made between the different groups active, they believe that everybody else is inferior and needs their guidance(forced if necessary).

[resisting arrest with violence]

I want to resurrect this thread for the newbies.

[cubalibra]

The ironic thing is that I've seen pictures of Iraq that are eerily similar to the one's on this post. May God damn America for the sins of its leaders and the silence of its citizens.

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by resisting arrest with [email protected] 29 2005, 05:07 PM
I want to resurrect this thread for the newbies.
Yessss...obviously so, but why? And even -MORE- importantly...HOW!? ;)