Anti Semitism

[Commie Rat]

Antisemitism up, Jewish group says
17:47 AEDT Sun Dec 5 2004


Australia's peak Jewish body has denounced perpetrators of attacks on Jews as "bullies and cowards" as a report showed such attacks have increased substantially in recent years.

Jeremy Jones, president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ), said "life's losers" had reacted by becoming racists and had been directed by international groups to hate Jews.

Mr Jones said modern technology such as the internet was being used to "spread the most ancient of hatreds".

"In a sense Australia was protected from the worst excesses of racism from other countries but now people in Australia can be part of international groups that operate through the internet," Mr Jones said.

Attacks on Jews between October 2003 and September 2004 were 50 per cent above the average for the past 14 years, according to the ECAJ's annual report on anti-Semitism in Australia.

The worst incidents cited included the words "kill the Jews" burnt into the lawn of Tasmania's parliament house and "six million more please, plus fries" daubed outside a synagogue.




It also featured the first-ever report of an anti-Jewish threat by SMS message.

There were 455 reported attacks in the period, it said - the third year running the number was above 450.

Other serious incidents mentioned in the report were smashing of windows at synagogues, eggs thrown at Jewish people on their way to religious ceremonies and a firecracker thrown at the door of a rabbi.

The report said the average rate of graffiti attacks was 30 per cent higher than the average of all years since the report was first compiled in 1989.

However, the figures also showed that only a small number of Australians were anti-Jewish and despite the generally increased figures, the attacks were generally less fierce.

"We have to be careful because what we can't actually measure is the level of violence in each incident," Mr Jones said.

"Back in 1991 there were a number of synagogues set on fire, (causing) very serious property damage.

"This time there might have been more in terms of property damage but less damage in each incident so we need to put it in a bit of perspective.

"Every day there are millions of interactions between Jews and non-Jewish Australians, so every year there are hundreds if not thousands of millions of these interactions.

[Funky Monk]

It is just sickening.


I think what the world maybe experiencing is a backlash to the backlash against the Nazis. Following the publication of the genocide there was a large liberal backlash in the following generation. Now i think people are developing a backlash to the liberal generation. I just dont understand how people can be so callous towards fellow human beings.

[dso79]

Anti-Jewish sentiments have definitely increased in the past few years, which is probably the result of Israels warcrimes against the Palestinians.

I'm not so sure, however, that the incidents described in the article are really "anti-semitic hate crimes". Most of the time the perpetrators aren't caught, but when they do catch a suspect it often turns out to be a hoax.

Examples:

College professor Kerri Dunn, whose car was vandalized and covered with anti-semitic epithets, was later arrested on suspicion of staging the crime herself.

A French woman, who claimed to have been attacked by anti-semites in a train, later admitted that she had made it all up.

A Jewish employee of a French Jewish community centre solved a conflict with his employer by setting fire to the centre and covering it with anti-semitic graffiti.

These are just some of the hoaxes that have been exposed this year. I'm not denying that there are anti-semites who have resorted to violence, but there are also Jews who have used such tactics to gain attention/sympathy, or to divert attention.

[Wiesty]

all anti-semites deserve life in jail, they can preach whatever the hell they want, but they'll be preachin to a concrete wall

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 12:59 PM
Anti-Jewish sentiments have definitely increased in the past few years, which is probably the result of Israels warcrimes against the Palestinians.

I disagree - I think the Israeli occupation of Palestine has focused anger by conscious individuals against the Israeli state. I think the growing neo-nazi, anti-semetic, white-nationalist movements are an entirely different kettle of fish.
In fact, I think most reactionary, bone-head, fuck-wads couldn't give a flying fuck about Palestinians or the occupation . . . they're likely as militantly (And moronicly) anti-arab as anti-jew.

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 5 2004, 02:48 PM
they're likely as militantly (And moronicly) anti-arab
Don't go getting Kez all excited :lol: :lol:

[Reuben]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov Cocktail+Dec 5 2004, 02:48 PM--> (Virgin Molotov Cocktail @ Dec 5 2004, 02:48 PM)
[email protected] 5 2004, 12:59 PM
Anti-Jewish sentiments have definitely increased in the past few years, which is probably the result of Israels warcrimes against the Palestinians.

I disagree - I think the Israeli occupation of Palestine has focused anger by conscious individuals against the Israeli state. I think the growing neo-nazi, anti-semetic, white-nationalist movements are an entirely different kettle of fish.
In fact, I think most reactionary, bone-head, fuck-wads couldn't give a flying fuck about Palestinians or the occupation . . . they're likely as militantly (And moronicly) anti-arab as anti-jew. [/b]
i agree completely. Saying that anti-semitism is simply 'a sresult' of israeli war crimes means that we dont force anti-semites to take responsibility for their degenerate views.

israeli war crimes may be part of a 'causal chain' which leads people to anti-semitic conclusions. However people only respond anti-semitically to the eventts in israel/palestine if they choose to wrongly apply what their hatred of the israeli govenrment to the jewish community as a whole. Moreover the white nationalists to to whom vmc refers generally are not really interested in palestine but use it opportunistically as a hammer with which to beat the jews.

DSO79 i honestly believe you are talking bollocks. To say that anti-semitic incedents OFTEN turn out to be hoaxes has no factual basis. THier have been a few odd incedents = i believe the french woman you mentioned was mentally ill, but these incidents - statistically - are hugely insignificant compared to the mass of genuinely anti-semtic incedents which we on the left must be prepared to fight against.

[dso79]

Saying that anti-semitism is simply 'a sresult' of israeli war crimes means that we dont force anti-semites to take responsibility for their degenerate views.

I didn't say that. I believe that the number of WN anti-semites has been rather stable over the years, but that the increase in anti-jewish sentiments since the start of the second intifada can be attributed to muslims, who are angry about the Israeli treatment of their Palestinian brothers.


To say that anti-semitic incedents OFTEN turn out to be hoaxes has no factual basis.

You're right, I haven't done any research into this matter; I just remembered these cases because they got a lot of media attention. Still, I've read more articles about hoaxers being caught than about nazis being caught for those crimes, but maybe that's because it's probably more difficult to catch a random attacker than it is to catch a hoaxer, since a random attacker doesn't have a direct link to the target/victim.

If you can provide some accurate statistics on genuine hate crimes and hate crime hoaxes, that would be appreciated.

[Latifa]

I actually had a logical MSN discussion with a bunch of Nazis ( A total rarity )
and the reason they gave for hating Jewish people is a book called the Talmud Habal. I couldn't find a copy, or a Jewish person to explain it so I think I'll ask you fine folk. What is it?

[Reuben]

I know i am not politics mod but i have deleted the above post because it (unctritically) provided a link to a page which:

a) blamed jews for anti-semitism
b) put forward as if it were true the jewish communist conspiracy theory
here is an extract:


'In Communism, the sons of rabbis built a new worldly religion that mirrored the fanaticism and oppression of classical Judaism. After visiting Bolshevik Russia in 1920, Bertrand Russell wrote to Lady Ottoline Morrell: "Bolshevism is a closed tyrannical bureaucracy, with a spy system more elaborate and terrible than the Tsar's, and an aristocracy as insolent and unfeeling, composed of Americanised Jews. No vestige of liberty remains, in thought or speech or action." (The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell, paperback ed. 354)

Since World War One, the United States and England have been controlled by this IIluminati conspiracy. New York bankers financed the Bolshevik Revolution (1917) and transferred Trotsky and 270 Jewish revolutionaries to Russia to carry it out. "See Antony Sutton's Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution," They had England conquer Palestine for the Zionists at the same time. '

[h&s]

I didn't say that. I believe that the number of WN anti-semites has been rather stable over the years, but that the increase in anti-jewish sentiments since the start of the second intifada can be attributed to muslims, who are angry about the Israeli treatment of their Palestinian brothers.
Do you really think that? Do you really think that the same people who make violent, indiscriminate attacks on Jews really do so because of support for Muslims? Can you really imagine a anti-Jewish yob holding a Palestinian flag at a demo? Anti-Semites don't tend to have much respect for Muslim people either (yes I know arabs are semites, but thats just a technicality) - their probably the first to blame things such as 9/11 on 'those fucking muslims.'
If they claim their anti-Semitism is in support of the Intifada, they're lying.

[dso79]

Do you really think that the same people who make violent, indiscriminate attacks on Jews really do so because of support for Muslims?
Yes, some of them. I tried to point out that there are (at least) two different kinds of anti-Jewish groups: Racists (who don't care about Palestinians) and Muslims (who do care about Palestinians). Frustrated Muslim youths were responsible for many recent anti-jewish incidents here in Europe.


Can you really imagine a anti-Jewish yob holding a Palestinian flag at a demo?
I remember seeing a picture of a couple of skinheads holding some sort of 'Free Palestine' flag. Looked odd, though. And they probably weren't sincere.


their probably the first to blame things such as 9/11 on 'those fucking muslims.'
You're wrong. Many of them think 9/11 was done by the US government or by the Mossad.





DSO79 i honestly believe you are talking bollocks.
Reuben, if you're so convinced that I'm talking bollocks, why didn't you provide some evidence to prove me wrong? I'm not unwilling to believe you, but so far you haven't provided any evidence for your claim that hate-crime hoaxes are statistically insignificant.

[Reuben]

ok to be honest i cannot find any hard stats on the ratio of hoaxes to crimes. What i would imagine is that however many hoaxes there are (and i am sure that there are hoaxes and fakes with regard to all racial issues not just antisemitism) these should be balanced against the huge number of incidents which simply go underrreported. When I was verbally and physically attacked over quite a long period of time by the Nazis and islamic extremists who lived in my street i didnt report anything in a way that would have enterred the stats.

Yes, some of them. I tried to point out that there are (at least) two different kinds of anti-Jewish groups: Racists (who don't care about Palestinians) and Muslims (who do care about Palestinians). Frustrated Muslim youths were responsible for many recent anti-jewish incidents here in Europe.

such an argument implies that muslims who respond to the situation in israel by attacking jews collectively are not racists. This argument is ridiculous. Whatever the causes behind peoples views and actions, if the result is that they speak or act against whole ethnic communities then they are racists. A person who says they hate all arabs does not suddenly become a non-racist if there attitudes are related to by the treatment of the kurds in Iraq. By the same token a person who says that they hate all jews should not become non-racist simply because there hatred is related that the situation in palestine.

[dso79]

such an argument implies that muslims who respond to the situation in israel by attacking jews collectively are not racists. This argument is ridiculous. Whatever the causes behind peoples views and actions, if the result is that they speak or act against whole ethnic communities then they are racists.

Yes, you're absolutely right. I should have said 'white nationalists' or 'nazis' or something, instead of 'racists'.