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duk
4th December 2004, 16:10
in 70s and 80s many arab leftlist parties did many great attacks on usa and israel in middle east and in all the world. today all attacks specially in palestine and iraq are from islamic parties and groups... why do u think that communists in arab world stopped their attack ? are you with the resistance in iraq and palestine???

Edward Norton
5th December 2004, 01:05
yes, i do support the resistance in iraq on a military level, that is that i support their attacks on US/UK/coalition troops, iraqi US backed pupet 'troops/police' and those iraqis who work with the US.

The only way the americans will leave iraq is to be kicked out through military defeat! demonstrations, writing letters to your congressman won't end US imperialism, like in vietnam, bloody defeat is the ONLY way the americans will end their occupation. i don't like islamist politics anymore than i like any other reactionary ideology, but the islamists are not the ones going into non-islamic countries, invading and bombing, that is that they are reactionary but not imperialist nor do they aim to 'take over the world' as american propoganda would have it, they are just very xenophobic and isolationist and aim to build a reclusive pan-islamic state cut off from the rest of the world.

but there are communists fighting with the resistance in iraq, the majority of resistance fighters in iraq are secular nationalist and ex baathists, the islamists and communist make up smaller components of the resistance.

Che PFLP
5th December 2004, 09:12
in 70s and 80s many arab leftlist parties did many great attacks on usa and israel in middle east and in all the world. today all attacks specially in palestine and iraq are from islamic parties and groups... why do u think that communists in arab world stopped their attack ? are you with the resistance in iraq and palestine???

mmmm :) ,
okay dear :

the leftist parties Palestine and Iraq didn`t stop thier resistance , specially the marxisit-lennist patries , if you don`t know , there is in palestine party called pflp , i`ts small leftist party but still resistance to get the freedom and the peace , also there is dflp , and prcp .
In iraq the communist party not one but there is many of them , there is one of them called " elkader " and others resistance the usa ocupation for thie land but the will not kill the civil like the islamic resistance do k they believe in the (humanity ?!! ) ,

okay , iam sorry for my bad english , but i hope my idea is clear :) .

Commie Rat
5th December 2004, 09:47
i daon't want to cause shit but im not sure who is in the wrong the arabs jews palastinians or the isralias
i think the jews should have a country but the arabs where there first and y can't israil and palistina jion into one country

duk
5th December 2004, 19:34
Originally posted by Che [email protected] 5 2004, 09:12 AM

in 70s and 80s many arab leftlist parties did many great attacks on usa and israel in middle east and in all the world. today all attacks specially in palestine and iraq are from islamic parties and groups... why do u think that communists in arab world stopped their attack ? are you with the resistance in iraq and palestine???

mmmm :) ,
okay dear :

the leftist parties Palestine and Iraq didn`t stop thier resistance , specially the marxisit-lennist patries , if you don`t know , there is in palestine party called pflp , i`ts small leftist party but still resistance to get the freedom and the peace , also there is .
In iraq the communist party not one but there is many of them , there is one of them called " elkader " and others resistance the usa ocupation for thie land but the will not kill the civil like the islamic resistance do k they believe in the (humanity ?!! ) ,

okay , iam sorry for my bad english , but i hope my idea is clear :) .
yeah i know those parties in palestine! but hamas and jihad are much stronger ! hte attacks of dflp and prcp arent big and strong... my english is bad too :P .
where are you from Che PFLP? im from lebanon

parecon3
6th December 2004, 01:53
What needs to happen is that the surrounding arab states need to rise up in revolution! The Oppression of the United States in the Middle East has gone on for hundreds of years. Its simply clear that the United States has been intent to neo-colonize and colonize countries around the world. Wherever there is a country that has been exploited by the IMF and the World ****, the U.S. will seek to exploit its people through neo-liberal reforms and dictators. Che said once: "We must create 2, 3, many Vietnams!" in his tricontinental speech. If Insurrecctions in surrounding middle eastern countries, or latin american countries can come about, the U.S. will be forced to spread out its troops to widely to protect its capitalist and imperialist goals, and then, it is quite possible that we can get these capitalist pigs out of government through a 2nd revolution!

All of this seems like a dream to many, a dream that feels so far from reality, when the war-addicted capitalist pigs have so many military bases, and so many loans still owed by third world countries because of the actions of pro-U.S. dictators and investors that the people of those countries have to pay for.

But maybe we can overcome...

KrazyRabidSheep
6th December 2004, 03:21
If Insurrecctions in surrounding middle eastern countries, or latin american countries can come about, the U.S. will be forced to spread out its troops to widely to protect its capitalist and imperialist goals, and then, it is quite possible that we can get these capitalist pigs out of government through a 2nd revolution!

Just for the record, it'll be the 1st revolution. . .I hate the term "American Revolution". I know I take it too far, but it's one of my little pet peeves.

I asked my good friend Mr. Webster what a revolution is, and he said:

"the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed".

I believe the word that you're looking for would be "revolt" or "rebellion".

The govornment was not replaced, Briton was not overthrown (it's still around as the U.K., isn't it?). Rather the colonies seperated themselves and started another govornment from scratch.

The "American Revolution" was no more a revolution then the American Civil War, they were both rebellions.

I guess the word "revolution" must have a better connotation then "rebellion". . .at least to Americans who have over the past 200 years systematicly butchered the English language.

leftist resistance
6th December 2004, 04:11
I think the arab world should liberate palestinians.Grant them the freedom that they have long sought for.

Intifada
6th December 2004, 18:10
Arab leaders are too corrupt.

bolshevik butcher
7th December 2004, 15:51
The US already has most of the Arab rulers in it's pocket anyway, and most of them r kings anyway. Saudi doesn't look far from a fundementalist revoloution though.

patriotic
7th December 2004, 15:59
Can anyone tell me anything about the Communist in Lebanon, and anyone knows about the Lebanese Resistance?

duk
7th December 2004, 19:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 03:59 PM
Can anyone tell me anything about the Communist in Lebanon, and anyone knows about the Lebanese Resistance?
well visit www.lcparty.org . ( comunist party in lebanon ) . hope you ll enjoy it ;)

PRC-UTE
8th December 2004, 01:32
Here's a topical piece:


Letter from Iraqi Patriotic Alliance addressed to our brothers all
around the world

The Iraqi resistance is confronting the illegitimate and brutal
Zionist Imperialist occupation of Iraq. Our resistance is legitimate
according to international law and the UN Charter, including the right
to resort to armed means. We are claiming our right to national
self-determination and a real sovereignty

The different resisting groups in Iraq have developed a network
between each other in order to achieve their ultimate goal. This goal
was clearly addressed in their political program released after the
liberation of Fallujah in April this year (2004). The program of the
Iraqi resistance is as follows:

1. End the occupation and liberate the country
2. Transition period of 2 years
3. Iraq united - National government for all
4. Iraqi constitution written by Iraqis themselves
5. Democratic rules
6. Free election and full participation of the different political
parties

To implement the strategy of liberation, the Iraqi resistance is
attacking occupying forces and their institutions and those who serve
them with food, oil and other supplies. On the other hand, the Iraqi
resistance is preventing the occupiers from using Oil as a political
means.

Schools, churches, mosques and other civilian places have never been
the target of the Iraqi resistance. Besides, we have to be very
critical and careful about any kidnapping or killing process of a
foreigner-worker in Iraq. The resistance has no benefit in attacking
people like Margaret Hassan, two Simonas or others. These actions are
meant to discredit the legal resistance of our people. Here, we would
like to share with you some of the heroic achievements of the Iraqi
resistance: The Iraqi resistance was able to cause a high number of
casualties in material and soldiers among the occupying forces.

The resistance fighters were able to liberate 30 cities: creating a
suitable environment for the resistant fighters by forming a
death-zone for the occupying forces and their agents.

The Iraqi resistance has defeated the Spanish imperialism and has
forced 9 out of the occupying/allying countries to leave Iraq. The
Netherlands, Hungary and Poland are leaving Iraq next year.

The Iraqi resistance was able to pull plunder companies out of Iraq,
the so-called contractors, rebuilding companies.

The Iraqi resistance has renewed the spirit of resistance in the whole
world by defeating the US imperialism in Fallujah, Al Samawa, Najaf
and other Iraqi cities.

The heroic resistance in Iraq has isolated UK and US in Iraq,
preventing temporary the go-on of the war on terror against: Syria,
Cuba and North Korea.

The resistance in Iraq is the resistance of the Iraqi people and it is
mainly represented by the major political groups; the Patriotic,
Islamic and the Pan-Arab groups. By this, we want to emphasis on the
fact that our resistance has an anti-imperialistic profile with
Islamic and patriotic elements. Adding on that, the effective
participation of members of the dismantled Iraqi army and the Ba'ath
party. We could expect some objections about the participation of the
Ba'ath party in the resistance. There are more than three million
active Ba'ath party members in Iraq. So, when we mention members of
this party we do not mean only- those who were in the former Iraqi
government. But those who believe in the Ba'ath ideology expressed in
their slogan: Unity, Liberty and Socialism.

The fear of the Islamic character of the Iraqi resistance could be
answered by the fact that after the liberation of Iraq, the Iraqi
resistance will then be the only legitimized representative of the
Iraqi people. A transition period will then give the Iraqi people the
chance to choose their representatives to form a united national
government with full participation of all parties including the
Islamic forces. We have then to accept the choice of the Iraqi people.

As to the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance, we are proud to inform you that
our secretary general in Iraq Mr. Abduljabbar al-Kubaysi was arrested
on 3rd of September in Baghdad. The house he had temporarily stayed in
was surrounded and stormed by about 50 US occupation soldiers
employing helicopters and tanks. Mr. Al-Kubaysi was leading the IPA
since the 90?s against the economic sanctions and the Zionistic and
imperialistic plans of the US in Iraq. During his latest activities
building a united political front of the resistance against the
occupation, he was arrested without any charges. At this moment we
know nothing about his situation. Even his family is unable to contact
hem. We hold the occupying forces responsible for the health and life
of Mr. Al-Kubaysi and all other prisoners in Iraq.

We hope for further coordination between you and us in our shared
struggle against occupation and imperialism.

Long Live the Iraqi Resistance!

In Solidarity,
Nada Al-Rubaiee [on behalf of the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance (IPA)]
Tel: 0031- (0)-645542498
[email protected]
[email protected]
http://home.zonnet.nl/patrioticalliance/

PRC-UTE
8th December 2004, 01:35
yeah i know those parties in palestine! but hamas and jihad are much stronger !

Hamas is stronger, but they have said very recently that they may accept a two state solution. . . which is no solution!

Victory to the PFLP!

Wurkwurk
8th December 2004, 03:10
Though I do not support violence in any way, but if i MUST, then my best wishes go out wholeheartedly to the iraqi 'insurgents' (aka Freedom fighters!)
They are fighting to get an imperialist nation out of their country, which is their complete right in my opinion. Most of them are definetley not leftist, but rather simple iraqi men who fight for the freedom of their country (meaning conservative muslims). Still, it dosen't mean they're not worth supporting, though.

On a surprising note, the April American offensive into Fallujah (Operation Vigilant Resolve) showed the surprising efficiency of the iraqi rebel. The Americans launched what was supposed to be a quick takeover of Fallujah with 2,000-3,000 men (not sure) faced with an equal number of insurgents (intelligence thought they numbered far less).
And at April 30, 2004, America beheld their first true defeat. 60 American lives, all soldiers, were lost, along with 600 iraqis. But over half of them were civilians!! (go figure, it IS america). Therefore, 200-250 iraqi rebels died, almost always half of them by american air-power. Therefore, on the ground combat itself, 125 iraqis died to 60 Americans, A 2:1 RATIO!!
This in itself shows the awsome capacity of a large iraqi rebellion, coupled with America's extremely low tolerance of casualties. A large iraqi rebellion could wipe America off the face of the middle east...don't get me started on Iran :)

Commie Rat
8th December 2004, 04:46
this doesn't suprise me kudos to the freedom fighters



As to the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance, we are proud to inform you that
our secretary general in Iraq Mr. Abduljabbar al-Kubaysi was arrested
on 3rd of September in Baghdad.


/\ WTF y are they happy about it ????


yer i remeber readiing a Quote from Phen Nom Phen or watever the vietnamese leaders during the Vietnam war was
and he said




if for every one of you solider die and two of mine die i will still win





sound alot like wats happening now
i belive america is in for another bloody defeat

leftist resistance
8th December 2004, 05:53
QUOTE

As to the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance, we are proud to inform you that
our secretary general in Iraq Mr. Abduljabbar al-Kubaysi was arrested
on 3rd of September in Baghdad.




/\ WTF y are they happy about it ????



:lol: I think it is supposed to be their secretary..,not our.Is it?I dunno


yer i remeber readiing a Quote from Phen Nom Phen or watever the vietnamese leader...


He was Ho Chin Minh

Anyway,I hope to see US defeat in Iraq.And the total liberation of the Palestinians

Commie Rat
8th December 2004, 07:53
whoops history is not mi strong point i reather focus on the future

viva la palestine