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Skeptic
3rd December 2004, 18:28
Bush Backs Extreme
View On Sex
By Mark Sherman in Washington
12-3-4

(AP) -- Abstinence education programs embraced by President George W. Bush and used in 25 US states contain false and misleading information about contraception, abortion and sexually transmitted diseases, a Democratic lawmaker said.

The programs will receive $170 million ($218 million) in the current government spending year, more than double what the government was spending when Mr Bush took office in 2001. The abstinence curriculum may not include instruction in contraceptive use as a condition of federal funding.

But a report from Representative Henry Waxman said that 11 of the 13 most widely used programs underestimate the effectiveness of condoms in preventing pregnancy and the spread of disease, exaggerate the prevalence of emotional and physical distress following abortion, blur science and religion or get fundamental scientific facts wrong.

Alma Golden, the deputy assistant Health and Human Services Secretary for population affairs, said the report took statements out of context to present the programs in the worst possible light.

"These issues have been raised before and discredited," Ms Golden said.

"One thing is very clear for our children, abstaining from sex is the most effective means of preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, STDs and preventing pregnancy."

Ms Waxman said: "It is absolutely vital that the health education provided to America's youth be scientifically and medically accurate. The abstinence-only programs reviewed in this report fail to meet this standard."

AC Green's Game Plan, named for the professional basketball player who said he would not have sex before he was married, raises question about whether condoms can stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, Ms Waxman's report said.

"The popular claim that condoms help prevent the spread of STDs, is not supported by the data," the program's teacher's manual says.

The federal Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and other researchers have found that consistent and correct condom use does protect against transmissions of many STDs, the report said.

Other programs asserted as fact sharply contested claims, the report said. The FACTS middle school program, developed by Northwest Family Services, says, "Conception, also known as fertilisation, occurs when one sperm unites with one egg in the upper third of the fallopian tube. This is when life begins."

"Twenty-four chromosomes from the mother and twenty-four chromosomes from the father join to create this new individual," the report said. The correct number is 23 each.

Some curriculums also rely on what Ms Waxman called damaging stereotypes about boys and girls, including that girls care less about achievement and their futures.

The Why kNOw curriculum teaches: "Women gauge their happiness and judge their success by their relationships. Men's happiness and success hinge on their accomplishments."

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Latifa
3rd December 2004, 21:40
Whats the big bloody deal? I think I've missed the point.

Blackberry
4th December 2004, 00:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 09:40 AM
Whats the big bloody deal? I think I've missed the point.
The problem is not that Bush advocates an "extreme view on sex". The real problem, and the "big deal", is that people aged nine to 18 are being taught fallacies which are said to be fact -- that "2+2=5".

Over 100 "abstinence-only" programs are run and taught to millions of people, at a cost of $US170 million. A study of 13 of the most widely used programs showed that eleven of them had incorrect information.

Some of these include:

- HIV can be contracted through sweat and tears;
- touching genitals can result in pregnancy;
- a 43-day-old foetus is a thinking person;
- abortion can lead to sterility and suicide;
- half the gay male teenagers in the US have tested positive for HIV; and
- condoms fail to prevent transmission of HIV in 31 per cent of incidences of heterosexual intercourse.

All of these claims are contradicted by U.S. Government statistics.

These programs also present sharply contested claims as fact, including: "Conception, also known as fertilisation, occurs when one sperm unites with one egg in the upper third of the fallopian tube. This is when life begins."

Who gets the bounty from such programs? Why, the usual suspects, such as religious groups, who get free funding for something that they would have done anyway. It is a great way for the Bush Administration to fund their ideological allies under the guise of "education".

And then you have civic groups teaching these lies as well.

But what is most concerning is that you even have medical organisations spreading the "abstinence-only" ideological agenda -- organisations that everyone trusts to tell us factual information.

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Sources:

The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Truth-chaste-out-of-US-sex-lessons/2004/12/03/1101923332649.html)
Rense.Com (http://www.rense.com/general60/voew.htm)

Dr. Rosenpenis
4th December 2004, 01:42
I think the system is a bunch of misleading moralist shit designed to frighten kids into being scared when they fuck. Because we're gonna fuck anyways.

I made a thread several months ago about the lies told about AIDS in these health classes. In my school, at least, the classes are taught by dumbfuck conservative phys ed coaches who tell you that condoms do nothing against AIDS because viruses are small enough to pass through the porous material of a condom. But they never said anything about other viral VDs. Fuckin ****s. Condoms are 99.9% effective against HIV, by the way, according to the AIDS foundation or whatever the fuck...

They also lied about how HIV is transmitted. According to the musclehead prick at my school, AIDS patients should be avoided at all costs, because most likely his skin oils and sweat have traces of his HIV-infcted blood. Jesus fuckin Christ.

They also said that like a third of kids at the school have chlamydia. A bunch of god damn lies. Practically nobody at my school has chlamydia probably. Nobody that I've fucked.

They also go on and on and on about how we need to abstain for emotional reasons. About how girls' relationships and entire lives will be destroyed if they fuck. They'll be miserable and depressed and their boyfriends will leave them and they'll never get married and all this fuckin bullshit.

Skeptic
4th December 2004, 02:05
Wow, I didn't know that sex ed had so much misinformation! I bet this is just the tip of the iceburg too.

Dr. Rosenpenis
4th December 2004, 03:46
Yeah, the rest is the church...

Latifa
4th December 2004, 04:56
Originally posted by Comrade Blackberry+Dec 4 2004, 12:49 AM--> (Comrade Blackberry @ Dec 4 2004, 12:49 AM)
[email protected] 4 2004, 09:40 AM
Whats the big bloody deal? I think I've missed the point.
The problem is not that Bush advocates an "extreme view on sex". The real problem, and the "big deal", is that people aged nine to 18 are being taught fallacies which are said to be fact -- that "2+2=5".

Over 100 "abstinence-only" programs are run and taught to millions of people, at a cost of $US170 million. A study of 13 of the most widely used programs showed that eleven of them had incorrect information.

Some of these include:

- HIV can be contracted through sweat and tears;
- touching genitals can result in pregnancy;
- a 43-day-old foetus is a thinking person;
- abortion can lead to sterility and suicide;
- half the gay male teenagers in the US have tested positive for HIV; and
- condoms fail to prevent transmission of HIV in 31 per cent of incidences of heterosexual intercourse.

All of these claims are contradicted by U.S. Government statistics.

These programs also present sharply contested claims as fact, including: "Conception, also known as fertilisation, occurs when one sperm unites with one egg in the upper third of the fallopian tube. This is when life begins."

Who gets the bounty from such programs? Why, the usual suspects, such as religious groups, who get free funding for something that they would have done anyway. It is a great way for the Bush Administration to fund their ideological allies under the guise of "education".

And then you have civic groups teaching these lies as well.

But what is most concerning is that you even have medical organisations spreading the "abstinence-only" ideological agenda -- organisations that everyone trusts to tell us factual information.

-----

Sources:

The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Truth-chaste-out-of-US-sex-lessons/2004/12/03/1101923332649.html)
Rense.Com (http://www.rense.com/general60/voew.htm) [/b]
Ah. Thanks for reminding me.
Hmm... this is fishy. I touch my genitals on a frequent basis and I'm STILL not pregnant ;( :lol:

Zingu
4th December 2004, 06:32
Yeah, when they said you can get genital warts if your gentials were in contact with parts of a bed some previously slept in with it (like a hotel bed), you have a possibility to get it, haha.


Oh wait, is that true?

Dr. Rosenpenis
4th December 2004, 22:37
No, not really.
I, for one, have slept in dozens of hote beds, and I don't have genital warts.
They also tell you that normal warts are essentially the same as genital warts and can be transmited from your hands to your genitals, which I also doubt highly. I had several warts on my hands when i was younger, and I always touched my genitals, and I never got genital warts.

praxis1966
5th December 2004, 06:48
I was tought that cold and canker sores (a form of herpes) can be transmitted to someone as genital herpes if you are broken out at the time of cunnilingus or fellatio or whatever. I know these types of sores are viral in nature and therefore communicable, but I'm not sure if they are capable of living in someone's nether-regions.

In any event, this is all religiously motivated tripe which can only cause the further spread of infectious STDs. It has been statistically proven that the fact-based and demonstrative sex ed programs have significant impact on the instances of teen transmission and contraction of such diseases. Conversely, in the absence of such programs it is only logical that those who choose to use condoms would do so improperly out of ignorance. Of course there are certain things which are unpreventable, like pubic lice, but you get the idea.

In any event, you would have to consume something like two gallons of saliva or sweat in order to contract HIV, and even then you only have a slight chance. There's a good reason why HIV is classified as a blood-borne pathogen.

Oh, to address the issue of condoms being too porous to prevent AIDS transimission I will say this for the benefit of the ignorant. Not only is this assertion categorically untrue, but most condoms are coated with Ninoxinol-9 lubricant which is proven to kill HIV/AIDS and any other number of STDs.

Edit: An ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure, anybody?

Lacrimi de Chiciură
6th December 2004, 05:37
It's true. They tell us all this stuff about how girls will become depressed insane psychos if they have sex and they won't be able to go to college and will be doomed to a life as a low income wal-mart redneck. I was also told that condoms only protect against STD's 60 something percent of the time.