16 Murdered in Jerusalem

[Blasphemy]

they're talking about a palestinian state now. sharon said he agrees, bush said he agrees, peres said he agrees. then why the fuck does a palestinian terrorist fucking murdered 16 highschool students? not soldiers, students. i really don't give a fuck if hisdad has been killed and if his brother is in an israeli jail, he massacred 16 innocent people!

you can't find a fucking excuse to that. you can't tell me "what do you expect when they are living in such conditions" because it does not give anyone the legitimicy to murder children.

[deimos]

i think its possible that mossad brainwashed some of the palestinian suicide bombers or supported them.Maybe also in this case.

[Blasphemy]

yes, it is very reasonable that the agency that is suppose to protect israel encourges people to kill innocent people.

[Conghaileach]

On a related note, I was recently told that under international law the illegal settlers in occupied Palestine are all legitimate targets. Can anyone elaborate on this for me?

[Blasphemy]

yes. if there is a little girl who is living in the territories because of her parents, throught no choice of her own, it is okay to go into her house and shoot her in the head with an ak47.

[Dan Majerle]

this is exactly why i will never support the formation of a palestian state under these conditions. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

[oki]

these students were no setlers,the bombving was in jerusalem.actually these people the bombers won't setle for a pal.state.they want the jews to leave the reagon,or as they say,to drive them into the sea.for them the whole of israel is occupied and therefore a legitemit target.
I think these bombers are fucking mentals.if you're gonna fight,fight soldiers then.(and even then I am against killing,but I can understand that)

[Menshevik]

Ciaran, Palestine isn't a country, therefore it has no borders or anything like that. The settlers, in my opinion, are totally nuts when they walk around the West Bank with Uzis tucked into their belts, but that doesn't make them legitimate, legal targets. The Palestinians have been "occupied" in one form or another for hundreds of years, why act this way right now? This kind of constant violent retaliation is not the way to get what you want.

[Conghaileach]

I understand that, Menshevik. I know it's wrong that these people commit the acts they do. My friend who mentioned the law is actually a Marxist and was defending their actions.

But Palestinians are always criticised as the terrorists. Since the start of the second Intifada, five times as many Palestinians have been murdered as Israelis.

Sharon once said, "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

I'm worried about this apparent plan Bush is drawing up. All that the majority of Palestinians want at the moment is for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders. I don't think even this will happen.

[Hattori Hanzo]

<sighs>:angry:

[Blasphemy]

CiaranaB, you have no fucking clue, do you? these people were slaughtered by a Hamas activist, an organization that has sworn to eradicate israel completely. during the oslo peace accords, they have worked hard to hurt more israelis in an attempt to put an end to the peace process.
we are not dealing with fucking reasonable people, but with fucking terrorists, who just today, murdered a girl in the fifth grade.

[jimr]

The palestine forces are ill equipped to target military installations they feel the need to strike back to avenge their losses. It does not matter whether we understand or not, because we as objectivists looking from the outside in can never really understand why these attacks take place. No i am not supporting it, but i don't believe myself qualified enough to say that it is any more henious than the Israeli targeted killings of various leaders.

The world should wake up and realise that the Palestinians have a right to their own state and to be ruled by their own people. The Israelis are stirring trouble with their settlements in blatent contempt for the Oslo peace accords.

This struggle will never be settled via negotiations. it will only be settled when Israel stops electing war criminals as Presidents and get some rational objective people in.

[Menshevik]

That's an escapist attitude, Jimr. Anyone with the smallest understanding of human life, knows that killing children, who could never harm anyone, is heinous. Both sides are guilty of such crimes, not just the Israelis. I can understand why these attacks take place, they are acts of retaliation--the most brutal retaliation imaginable. The reason Palestinian terrorists do not attack military targets is because they are terrorists, not soldiers. They want to inflict terror upon the Israelis for years of oppression. Anyone with half a mind can understand that, Jim. This doesn't mean that the Israelis are acting appropriately either, in fact, they are acting quite on the contrary to any sane course of action. I know you don't support the attacks, Jim, but you have to condemn them as a sane person, just as you must condemn the blind retaliation of the Israelis. You are right in saying that Israel needs to take the intiative and grant a Palestinian State, but who knows when that's going to happen.

[Lefty]

what a fucked world. I wish one of these people could possibly get on che-lives so we could get their point of view on this.

[jimr]

menshevik i can understand how you would feel that way. However All i can do is imagine my family being slaughtered by a people that have no right to impose their rule over me. All i can do is try to see things from Palestinian perspective and attempt to understand why people need to go to such great lengths. When i look at things from an Israeli perspective and then a Palestinian perspective i find myself looking with sympathy on the palestinians as atleast their cause is just. The circles of hate and war that have been cast is what is heinous. Although i truly believe that if the Palestinians confined their attacks to military targets they would have much more popular support. However it is palestinian children that are starving in teh refugee camps and to a palestinian it is not just the military that is to blame. The only way they can strike back (atlest in their own minds) is to make them hurt as much as they themselves are being hurt.

I sympathise with the palestinians but not with their methods.

I sympathise with the Israeli dead, but i do not sympathise with teh israeli government, they are promoting suicide bombing, they are bringing this upon themselves.

[oki]

last week I saw a doc.bout an Israeli hospital.
this pal.kid was brought in that had just bombed 5 women to hell.he was quite proud of the fact that he saw these woman,he was just about to bomb a group of soldiers.....