A question for Reuben

[Invader Zim]

Taken from another thread: -

A question for Reuben, he told me that danton made certain comments.


given you dont seem to see the problem with calling jews fuckng penis mutilators

I don't remember ever seeing that, and you didn't provide a link to actually show me the context it was in. You want me to show any moral indignation then you’ve got work to do...

[Danton]

I apologized for that shit and never meant or condoned it anyway - I was emotional, why do people keep dragging that up?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 04:17 PM
I apologized for that shit and never meant or condoned it anyway - I was emotional, why do people keep dragging that up?
Sorry Danton, it was in responce to a question from Reuben.

Which I still want an answer too.

[Urban Rubble]

I don't remember ever seeing that, and you didn't provide a link to actually show me the context it was in. You want me to show any moral indignation then you’ve got work to do...

Enigma, what is the point of this comment ? You know goddamned well he said it, it was the basis of his restriction, don't you think it would've been checked out ?

And please, in what context would it be "appropriate" to call Jews "fucking penis mutilators". Perhaps there would be an appropriate time for me to call Africans "spear chuckers" ?




I apologized for that shit and never meant or condoned it anyway - I was emotional, why do people keep dragging that up?

Because there are people working to get you released, it has been a recent topic of conversation. However, most of us have come to the conclusion that being a little "emotional" isn't an excuse for racism and rape threats.

[Invader Zim]

Enigma, what is the point of this comment ?

The other thread was closed, so I am asking it here.

You know goddamned well he said it,

Yes, I realise that, what is more important is the context in which he said it.

it was the basis of his restriction

Along with other comments which certainly were taken out of context. I am investigating if this is a trend.

However, most of us have come to the conclusion that being a little "emotional" isn't an excuse for racism and rape threats.


Unless of course your name is Elijah Craig, where you apparently can get forgiven for anything, because "he was only joking". Danton you should take a leaf out of Elijah craigs book, claim you were only joking, because Urban Rubble will forgive anything, including rape threats, apparently.


And why are you so bothered, if he did say it in order to display his dislike for jews and gay people, then the context in which it was said will support it. Not scared it may turn out that your wrong are you? That would b tragic wouldn't it, you may have to admit your not infallable.

[Urban Rubble]

The other thread was closed, so I am asking it here.

What was the point in asking at all ?


Yes, I realise that, what is more important is the context in which he said it.

Again I ask, please lay out a situation where it is O.K to call Jews "penis mutilators". And when you do, lay out a few others. Would there be a time when I could call Mexicans wetbacks ? Africans spearchuckers ?


Along with other comments which certainly were taken out of context.

How were his rape threats taken out of context ?


Unless of course your name is Elijah Craig, where you apparently can get forgiven for anything, because "he was only joking". Danton you should take a leaf out of Elijah craigs book, claim you were only joking, because Urban Rubble will forgive anything, including rape threats, apparently.

If you don't think there is a difference between calling someone a "fucking trot" in a lighthearted manner and telling someone you're going to rape their girlfriend out of anger then you're fucking hopeless.


And why are you so bothered, if he did say it in order to display his dislike for jews and gay people, then the context in which it was said will support it.

It doesn't matter whether or not he said it with the intent to display his hatred for Jews. Again, if I call a Mexican a wetback, but I'm just pointing it out, not because I hate Mexicans, is that O.K ?

And, one more time, please tell me how calling Jews penis mutilators could possibly be complimentary.


Not scared it may turn out that your wrong are you?

No, there is no context in which racial slurs are appropriate (unless you were quoting someone else's words, but Danton wasn't).


That would b tragic wouldn't it, you may have to admit your not infallable.

You know, you're a real arrogant prick. If you want to take a shot at me, fine, but don't attempt to fit it into our little debate. This has nothing to do with me being wrong or right, fallable or infallable.

And you, the guy who wrote out a quiz and graded it to prove he was smarter than someone, have no business calling me arrogant.

[Invader Zim]

What was the point in asking at all ?

Because I want the answer.

Again I ask, please lay out a situation where it is O.K to call Jews "penis mutilators".

I don't know, perhaps if I see dantons, I may find one.

How were his rape threats taken out of context ?

because it was clear that you were never going to take him up on it, and that he would never let you, and would never pay for the faire for you to get here. taking it as a serious threat is ridiculous.

If you don't think there is a difference between calling someone a "fucking trot" in a lighthearted manner and telling someone you're going to rape their girlfriend out of anger then you're fucking hopeless.

As I recall Elijah craig threatened to cut someones throat.

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s...ah%20craig&st=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26675&hl=elijah%20craig&st=0)

Littel bit more than saying "fucking trot" isn't it. A bit more on the lines of what Danton said.

You know, you're a real arrogant prick.

Yep, I sure am, but unlike you, I can admit to it.

And you, the guy who wrote out a quiz and graded it to prove he was smarter than someone, have no business calling me arrogant.

Must be that "peanut sized brain" of mine, which according to J.Jordan I possess.

have no business calling me arrogant.

But if you want to bring up totally unrelated topics to display arrogance, why don't I go back to some of your fights from the past, when you were just as bad.

But for the record i never intended calling you arrogant, just stubborn.

But ok, I'm sorry I had a go at you, your not arrogant. I take it back, so ignore everything I just wrote.

[DaCuBaN]

please lay out a situation where it is O.K to call Jews "penis mutilators". And when you do, lay out a few others. Would there be a time when I could call Mexicans wetbacks ? Africans spearchuckers ?

My observation is that whilst you cannot call all mexicans wetbacks here, it is quite acceptable to ridicule an individual irregardless of their "ethnic background", by calling them something like wetback, as it's tantamount to talking shit.

This seems rational enough, but it leaves an awful lot of room for misunderstanding.

[Arminius]

As marxists I can't understand why any of you would bother defending a barbaric religious practice like circumcision (male genital mutilation). It's basically the same as defending female genital mutilation among African tribes.

[DaCuBaN]

As marxists I can't understand why any of you would bother defending a barbaric religious practice like circumcision

Circumcision is the least of our problems - in the US, it was introduced in response to the sheer number of infections causing US troops to be unable to fight during the second world war.

"If you can't keep it clean..."

As a religious practice, it's no less nutty than any others: Prayer, hymnals, mass - it's all totally crackers. That said, at least circumcision does something.

For the record, my foreskin lies precisely where it is, thank you very much.

[Urban Rubble]

I don't know, perhaps if I see dantons, I may find one.

No, you won't, and you know it. That relates to my asking "why" you asked in the first place. You know damn well that you aren't going to find an acceptable excuse to call a Jew a "penis mutilator". You started this thread to get at Reuben.


because it was clear that you were never going to take him up on it, and that he would never let you, and would never pay for the faire for you to get here. taking it as a serious threat is ridiculous.

First off, not only would I accept his offer of a free plane ticket, I'd let him punch me in the face a few times for the trip ! I'd seriously love to see Europe, and if it meant fighting, or getting my ass kciked, for a few mintues, I really would be down.

Second, it doesn't matter whether or not he was actually going to do it. The fact is, it was a threat made out of anger. It wasn't intended to be cute.


Littel bit more than saying "fucking trot" isn't it. A bit more on the lines of what Danton said.

Fair enough, you got me there. Knowing Elijah I know that his comment wa not made out of anger like Danton's was (rather, it was intended to provoke EC) but still, point taken.


Yep, I sure am, but unlike you, I can admit to it.

Meh, arrogance isn't usually a problem for me, I'm very self aware. Sometimes I may be, but I know my problems and arrogance is low on that long list.


But if you want to bring up totally unrelated topics to display arrogance, why don't I go back to some of your fights from the past, when you were just as bad.

I have never gone to the lengths of writing out a quiz on History and then grading the guy I wrote it for. That was so ridiculous that I can't believe you actually did it.

And by the way, asking questions on a topic you've recently studied isn't any indicator of how intelligent you are. I don't think I'm any smarter than you, but I could ask you alot of things about 15th century Vietnam that you wouldn't be able to asnwer.

My arguments with Felicia and whoever else may have been immature, but I can't see how they were arrogant. Perhaps that's my arrogance acting up again.

[cubist]

As marxists I can't understand why any of you would bother defending a barbaric religious practice like

indeed,

i am not defending any bullshit war mongoring religion they can all fucking die

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 09:21 PM
As marxists I can't understand why any of you would bother defending a barbaric religious practice like circumcision (male genital mutilation). It's basically the same as defending female genital mutilation among African tribes.
Actually it's nothing like the practise of female genital mutilation; no where even in the same galaxy for that matter.

How you came to this conclusion is beyond rationality.

As a communist I fully condone the circumcision of all males simply for the health benefits it produces.

After conducting a very quick search, I have found that there are an incredible amount of health benefits to circimcision with absolutely no side effects.

A small example of the benefits:

*Decrease in physical problems involving a tight foreskin.
*Lower incidence of inflammation of the head of the penis.
*Reduced urinary tract infections.
*Fewer problems with erections, especially at puberty.
*Decrease in certain sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) such as HIV.
*Almost complete elimination of invasive penile cancer.
*Decrease in general urological problems.

Circumcision also completely eliminates such possible medical conditions as:

*Phimosis
*Paraphimosis
*Frenular chordee
*Balanitis
*posthitis
*Balanoposthitis

And has been shown in numerous studies to decrease the chances of contracting such STD's as:

*chancroid
*syphillis
*gonorrhea
*papillomavirus
*herpes
*HIV

So before you rant about how "barbaric" a medical practise is, perhaps you should actually conduct some research on the subject.

[redstar2000]

Enigma, if this particular quote is of such concern to you, look it up! Find the Danton thread in the CC and follow the link.

It looks to me like you wanted to start a "flame thread" against either Reuben or Urban Rubble or, perhaps, both.

I don't think that's justified.

This thread is closed.

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