How many anarchists are here? - besides me? [Archive]

antieverything

15th June 2002, 18:29

I'm new here...but I'm an anarchist.

All these fascist-socialists need to realize that when you create a new state, you create a new status quo and a new institution based on subjegation and submission...nothing changes.

Xvall

15th June 2002, 18:48

Anarcho-Commie..
And there are no Fascist Socialists here, except for maybe the Stalinists.. Don't jump to conclusion..

antieverything

15th June 2002, 19:04

imo

The entire idea of statist socialism is pretty damn fascist.

You can either have fascist socialism (state run economy where everyone is "equal") or you can have anarcho-socialism/communism (which should really just be called anarchy or anarchism as the state only exists to uphold the status quo and when it is overthrown no one will protect the capitalists) in which everyone is free to make their own decisions and the people control every aspect of their own lives.

Xvall

15th June 2002, 19:23

State run economy doesn't make it fascist. Fascism has to do with restricting democratic rights..

antieverything

15th June 2002, 19:52

Are you familiar with "fascist economics"?

If not, read about it. That is what state socialism (well, actually that is impossible)ok...state capitalism is.

antieverything

15th June 2002, 19:55

Are you familiar with "fascist economics"?

If not, read about it. That is what state socialism (well, actually that is impossible)ok...state capitalism is.

guerrillaradio

15th June 2002, 19:55

I'm somewhere around libertarian socialist. I consider myself to be ideologically an anarchist, but wanting some socialistic controls as well...

antieverything

15th June 2002, 20:00

When the state falls, so will capitalism...everyone will control their communities collectively.

Its communism without the fascist socialist phase.

Kez

16th June 2002, 13:29

Quote: from antieverything on 7:04 pm on June 15, 2002
imo

The entire idea of statist socialism is pretty damn fascist.

You can either have fascist socialism (state run economy where everyone is "equal") or you can have anarcho-socialism/communism (which should really just be called anarchy or anarchism as the state only exists to uphold the status quo and when it is overthrown no one will protect the capitalists) in which everyone is free to make their own decisions and the people control every aspect of their own lives.

does this prove to socialists that most anarchists are against us? yes? no?

fuckin we cant stand this shit, there are people like menshevik and paris, who are comrades, but these tossers can rot by my bullet.

what a name "anti-everything", yeah go for it mate, fight the power, yeah right....grow UP YOU JACKASS

antieverything

16th June 2002, 17:19

Look, anarchists and socialists can work together up to the point when the new state is created...all we want is the opportunity for our autonomy. I respect your beliefs and I want to appologize for being so angry.

I come from over at www.raisethefist.com which is a very fucked-up anarchist site where I am probably the most calm and soft-spoken person active on the whole site :)

oki

17th June 2002, 14:23

Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 1:29 pm on June 16, 2002
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fuckin we cant stand this shit, there are people like menshevik and paris, who are comrades, but these tossers can rot by my bullet.

no comment....

maxfish17

17th June 2002, 22:28

Anarchy is a wonderfully utopian idea, but it will never work without the organization that Communism has. The only major difference between Anarchism and Communism is that Communism has the first phase where there is a central government. That first phase is vital because without it, the ideas of equality won't sink in.

But I'll admit that since power corrupts, Communism has never gotten past that first phase, because the leaders don't want to give up their power.

BOZG

18th June 2002, 00:05

Anarcho-Commie here....

evil chris

18th June 2002, 11:21

marxfish- that actully goes aginst historical evidence as it stands so i hope you've got some concrete evidence for the idea that people need communism else they can't live for themselves

truthaddict11

18th June 2002, 20:32

i concider myself an ararcho-commie/socialist
not one of those facist socialisms i hate those fucks

antieverything

20th June 2002, 02:06

Hey, Marxfish! Just fyi, anarchism is in no way a utopian ideal. Most anarchists are well aware of what is called the tyranny of the majority but they accept it as the cost of freedom. And have you every stopped to think that maybe Marx wasn't right about everything and that the socialist phase isn't neccesarilly neccesary(illiteration :) ) and may actually be a step backwords?

Think for your self!

20th June 2002, 02:54

I don't really see how anarchy could work. I don't see the reality in it. But feel free to enlighten me.

btw, it's "alliteration" not "illteration" unless you making some sort of joke about being illiterate.

j

Anonymous

20th June 2002, 19:39

Marx said that anarchism is the ultimate stage of comunism (or something like that) he was right! when people evolve to the final stage they will realisse that money and politics are not neaded, and then anarchism will be a reality and Marxfish dont forget that during the spanish civil war some villages lived under anarchism, they suported each other, then when the nacionalists won all of spain sufered from hungry, disiese etc! so anarchism isnt just utopian besides anarchism was discovered by the ancient greeks that called it Anakratos they were also known as libertarians!

Kez

20th June 2002, 21:16

please can some1 enlighten me to what is the point in being an anarchist if you believe communism is the stage before anarchism?

wont being anarchist be counter-productive in the communist struggle?

Also, dont overuse the word fascist for your own personal gains by calling socialists or certain socialists fascists, fascists are those that were in Germany, italy and possibly Japan, dont claim blair is a fascist, dont claim thatcher was a fascist for your silly little gains, everytime you call a socialist a fascists u only alienate your self as a complete jackass

Anonymous

20th June 2002, 21:38

Dont forget Portugal we were fascists!

Valkyrie

20th June 2002, 21:43

There's that word again --- Communism, with it's multduplitous meaning. (how's that for a word, J!)

I define communism as the collective,-- the worker's ownership of the production, the means of production, etc. And anarchism as the decentralization of this-- the point at which the mode and ownership of productionhas already been taken away from the elite, (they are stripped of their power) and production and administration of such, along with the workings of society has already been handed over to the people.

(Edited by Paris at 9:44 pm on June 20, 2002)

antieverything

21st June 2002, 00:48

TavareeshKamo, I don't know if you were talking to me or not but if you were than I think I should explain that "fascist" in the economic sence (which is now sometimes called neo-fascist economics as it leaves much of what is viewed as negative in fascism behind) is an economic system that is controlled by the government. An example would be the Soviet Union or Cuba.

And to all of you people who are confused about what anarchy is...think of communism in the marxist sence of the word and you are pretty close to what anarchy is. Communists and Anarchists both work towards the same goals but Anarchists believe that the "fascist"-socialist phase is unneccesary and counterproductive to the final goal.

deadpool 52

23rd June 2002, 17:32

And how long will anarchy be sustained when there is no one to gaurd against fascists like with Franco?

antieverything

24th June 2002, 03:12

Who will be there to serve fascists like Franco?

BenJammin

24th June 2002, 23:30

Anarchism promotes equality, which would enrich society in many ways. People would feel empathy for those who are in trouble, and they would be working to help them every day. With a lack of hierarchy and oppression of the lower class, thoughts would flow freely.

I see that it is difficult for those who don't fully understand anarchy to believe that it could work.

BenJammin

24th June 2002, 23:33

antieverthing, what people must understand is that there is still hierarchy in Marxism. Government = authority. Direct democracy is another thing that anarchism has been compared to, but Marxism and direct democracy are only some of the values encouraged by anarchism.

Anarchists must oppose and reject ALL authority to be true anarchists.

deadpool 52

26th June 2002, 05:47

Quote: from antieverything on 8:12 am on June 24, 2002
Who will be there to serve fascists like Franco?

There will always be the ignorant, do not doubt it.