Gotta share this HILARIOUS Che story...

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

so i walk into my politics class with my usual bob marley shirt...and this guy comes up to me and asks,

"Dude, have you seen the Motorcycle diaries?"

Me - "Umm yeah, I thought it was really well done"

"Yeah, I've heard nothing but good reviews"

Me - "Yeah, most people saw first-hand what Che and Alberto went through...kinda inspirational"

"For sure man...the reason I asked was because I noticed your shirt.."


Bob Marley is the new Che Guevara ladies and gentlemen. LMAO!

[RedAnarchist]

Either one of them would probbaly be quite flattered to be mistkaen for the other anyway, but it does seem a bit naive to be able to mix up a Latin American Communist revolutionary with a Jamaican musician.
Is there any similarity in what they look like?

[BOZG]

I'll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it's funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks 'Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that's settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn't know you were an economist" and Che replies "I'm not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.

[RedAnarchist]

I've heard that one. Wasnt he actually the Economics Minister for a while?

[BOZG]

That was the point.....

[che's long lost daughter]

A lot of people actually mistake Bob Marley for Che. Maybe because of the facial hair. XPhile, we know that Bob Marley is not just a musician, he was a revolutionary in his own way.

[RedAnarchist]

Was he a Communist or just revolutionary?

[schumi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 11:09 AM
I'll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it's funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks 'Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that's settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn't know you were an economist" and Che replies "I'm not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.
it's true...I have a DVD about che where Fidel says that. So i presume its true yes.

[chebol]

My understanding was that Fidel was using the story as an illustration of how inexperienced they all were at governing, not that it was necessarily true. It also reminds us that simply understanding economics is not sufficient grounds to run an economy- you must also understand the historical needs of the people.

And talking of shirts, a couple of weeks ago I saw someone wearing a light blue t-shirt with a suspiciously che-like image on it (long hair, angle and expression identical etc), but with a different face. I then noticed the name below it- Maradona. ;-)

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 12:31 PM
Was he a Communist or just revolutionary?
I doubt Bob Marley was a communist...

-He was a heavy believer in religion (prominent Rastafarian)

-Still knew that there had to be rich/poor, but that the government should support the poor more. He saw what was going in Jamaica at the time (and...still today to some extent) as political oppression of the true ppl of Jamaica...

Yeah I think Che/Bob were two extremely inspirational people, especially in the Caribbean. They both lived and breathed the injustice...and both had different ways of showing it - Che through speeches/guerilla warfare, Bob through music/spreading his message on a more international level....

[Strange]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 07:52 AM
Either one of them would probbaly be quite flattered to be mistkaen for the other anyway
Haha, well said.

Yes I have had some funny Che experiences.

A person wearing a Che shirt walked by me and I asked if he knew who he was wearing. He didnt answer and walked off. I later asked him again

Apparently the shirt he was wearing clearly was che.

But he said

"this is my dads company's shirt. Its called che brand. My dad is rich just look at all the people wearing this shirt"

This gave me a good laugh.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:09 AM
I'll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it's funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks 'Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that's settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn't know you were an economist" and Che replies "I'm not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.
I watched an interview with Castro on that, he tells the reporter that the economists, technocrats etc have fled from Cuba or left, and nobody could do the job, so they asked Che since he was always willing to work. Then one of them asked Che: "are you an economist" and Che replied: "no..but Im a communist!"

Im not 100% sure if that was for the position of Minister of Economics or President of the National Bank though <_<

[drain.you]

lol, one of my friends was asked what band che guevara was in, mistaking him for a rock musician. unbelievable ignorance.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:50 AM
I&#39;ll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it&#39;s funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks &#39;Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that&#39;s settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn&#39;t know you were an economist" and Che replies "I&#39;m not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.
Yeah, that rumour is quite common. In fact it didn&#39;t go that way at all, but it&#39;s still being told, also because it&#39;s quite funny.

[Urban Guerrilla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 01:12 PM
Was he a Communist or just revolutionary?
Bob Marley, stated that wasn&#39;t not political, he just dealt with life. A grand portion of Jamaican lower and middle class wanted Socialism in Jamaica, and Bob Marley was the voice of those people, including himself in his youth, was a lower class citizen and saw the corrupt system that was running Jamaica. He did a what a revolutionary would have done, he spoke for his people and was almost assassinated for his belief of peace and equality and not to do a concert for these reasons, but did it anyway. He is a soul rebel :che:

[matiasm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:59 AM
I&#39;ve heard that one. Wasnt he actually the Economics Minister for a while?
yeah he was, and president of the national bank.

[matiasm]

Originally posted by schumi+Nov 26 2004, 02:00 PM--> (schumi @ Nov 26 2004, 02:00 PM)
[email protected] 26 2004, 11:09 AM
I&#39;ll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it&#39;s funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks &#39;Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that&#39;s settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn&#39;t know you were an economist" and Che replies "I&#39;m not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.
it&#39;s true...I have a DVD about che where Fidel says that. So i presume its true yes. [/b]
no fidel said that people joked about it and made up things, he didnt say that it was true and thats what happened.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:53 AM
I&#39;ll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it&#39;s funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks &#39;Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that&#39;s settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn&#39;t know you were an economist" and Che replies "I&#39;m not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.
Fidel always tells that story in each documentary. Che was head of the National Bank of Cuba for a while. Next funny Che story:
In the period Che was head of the National Bank, his employees were rather concerned with his habit of smoking cigars all day, out of concern for his health (considering the fact that he was astmatic). So they confront him with this and they agree that he&#39;s allowed to smoke only one cigar a day at work. So, the next morning Che enters the bank with a 1 metre-long cigar in his mouth...

[Urban Guerrilla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 07:28 PM
In the period Che was head of the National Bank, his employees were rather concerned with his habit of smoking cigars all day, out of concern for his health (considering the fact that he was astmatic). So they confront him with this and they agree that he&#39;s allowed to smoke only one cigar a day at work. So, the enxt morning Che enters the bank with a 1 metre-long viagr in his mouth...
Che the smartass :lol:

Here is another:

Che and his African-Cuban comrade Ulises Estrada Lescaille (who had the position of Che&#39;s bodyguard) were in Prague undercover, and due to a security hitch Che told him to go back to Havana, because his skin was black and attracting so much attention. So Che brought it up that he had to leave, "Of course you&#39;ll be asking yourself &#39;why?&#39; and he jokingly added "I never seen a black man grab more attention than a white man." :che:

[Rockfan]

Ha, I would have thought people would reconise Bob Marly before Che lol. Whats the deal with rastas, can&#39;t they only eat fish that are a certain length or something?

[RedStarOverChina]

Originally posted by schumi+Nov 26 2004, 09:08 AM--> (schumi @ Nov 26 2004, 09:08 AM)
[email protected] 26 2004, 11:09 AM
I&#39;ll add my funny Che story too. Now this is just an urban legend told to me by a member of the British SWP but it&#39;s funny nonetheless.

So Batista has fled and Fidel, Raul, Che and everyone is sitting around in a room dividing up positions in the government. So they get to Economics minister and no one volunteers for it. So Castro looks around and asks &#39;Is anyone an economist?" and Che sticks is hand up so that&#39;s settled.

So afterwards, someone walks up to Che and goes, "I didn&#39;t know you were an economist" and Che replies "I&#39;m not, I thought he asked who was a communist so I said yes" and that supposedly is how he ended up in the position he did.
it&#39;s true...I have a DVD about che where Fidel says that. So i presume its true yes. [/b]
LOL&#33; I thought it was only a joke? Our Cuban tour guide told us that and we took it as a joke...

[Sanjee]

My Story,

I&#39;m in a class and wearing my Che shirt.
Sudently my friend walks over to me and says: HUH?? I didn&#39;t knew you did like Bob Marley? And i thougt let&#39;s fool him :P So I said: Yes He&#39;s my new idol, I wanna be just like him&#33;

The poor guy still believes that i&#39;m a great fan of Bob. :lol:

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

:huh: They really don&#39;t look thát much alike...

[Hiero]

Marley was no communist. He was a weed smoking religious fanatic that happened to make good music. The whole time he was singing "free your mind" he was pushing a cult of marijuana and the ruthless US puppet Haile Selassie.

That is middle class liberal thinking, which you have bought as many in the West did about who Bob Marely was.

To promote Bob Marely to the white middle class audience to make sales, they had to promote him in a apolitical way. They had to tone down his liberation message.

So for instance smoking "ganja" became just an act that someone does to get high. So it is completly divorced from the real idea, which was a counter colonial action. The idea that the colonial society had on purpose misinterpeted the bible so that they could control the African people. So reading the bible the rastas reinterpreted a passages that smoking herb gives a connection to god.

So they believe white people held this knowledge from the black nation, so the act of smoking was a liberating experince.

The middle class perception was that Bob just loved to get high, Rastafarians are cool because they like to do drugs, just as we like to do drugs. So they hardly knew it a an expresion of anti colonialism.

This is what you have done when you interepted "free your mind". You are being American centric, and taking the petty bourgeois idea of free your mind means to ignore society and randomly rebel.

However if you read the lyrics to some of his songs when Bob Marley is talking about freeing your mind, it is directed at Africans, to free their mind from colonial control. The colonialist supressed free thinking and tried to destroy their culture and replace it with Anglo culture.

This is common with Communist theory, to free ones mind from the ruling class control, forgot about individualism and think collectivaly and in a materialist way. This happens when one transforms from social being, to social consciousness. Though with a better understand you don&#39;t replace bourgieos thinking with religious thinking. We also don&#39;t believe this happens individual and people can just do it on command.

So you have believed the common middle class idea of "free your mind". That Bob Marley was just randomly saying free your mind, to forgt about society and rebel for the sake of rebelion.

It was actually funny when, i think it was Peter Tosh expressed homophobic views at a intereveiw. It completely shocked the audience, and shows how disconnected the white youth in the west were from the Rastas. They seemed to have0 had the perception that Rastas were just Black versions of hippies. So while White youth in western countries were rebeling agaisn&#39;t the establishment, sexism, racism, homophobia, the Rastas were redefining their identity, rebeling against colonial rule, creating a pan African idea etc. The hippies had the perception that they were similiar, due to lifestyle similarities, even Bob said that the Hippies were Rastas, but in reality they were different in idea.

If you actually read Bob Marley&#39;s lyrics, you will find that they are a sharp jab at colonial control. You will find a violent African liberation message if you interept Bob Marely correctly.

It&#39;s just liberalism to think that Bob Marley wrote about drugs and laying around having a good time. This was promoted and still promoted today.

This actually brought me Bob Marley, the idea he was a "cool guy". Now days i am very aware of his revolutionary message. Although it is clear he didn&#39;t have any clear thinking on revolution, and would never make a good revolutioanry theorist. However if you want to learn alot of ideas about Pan Africanism, African liberation from Colonial control, you can find many of these ideas in Bob Marley&#39;s music and other of the earlier Reggae singers.

[Hiero]

Great analysis; except that I&#39;m not American, I am completely familiar with Rastafari, I and everyone in my family is - and has always been - working class, and I&#39;m from a colonial country full of people of African heritage.

So?


I don&#39;t doubt that West Indians turn/ed to Rastafari in response to their colonization; but that doesn&#39;t make it any more correct. There is no god, Salassie was a piece of shit, and smoking weed is just that - smoking weed; nothing more, nothing less.

It doesn&#39;t matter if its correct or not. The point was that your original anaylsis was wrong and based on a liberal view.

Also you can&#39;t detach action from idea. People do not do things randomly, all actions have some sort of symbolism.

You can&#39;t compare a teenage in a Western Country smoking dope to a grown Rasta man in Jamica smoking dope.

I was never trying to prove that it&#39;s correct or right thing to do.

[Big Boss]

Haile Selassie

Companero De Libertad, can you tell me briefly about this guy? Just curiosity.

[jen_cork]

its amazing how many people actually dont no who or what che is all about and that he is an iconic figure to millions around the world, i was in class and a friend of mine came into, history class of all places, all delight with her new bag, which had the che print on it, i myself being a massive follower of mr.guevare began to ask her question, thinking she had a similar interest in che, but it turns out she&#39;s never even heard of him, so i helpfully informed he was a famous man know as seamus, and help ireland in the 1916 raising, really hope something bout che doesnt come up in an exam for her sake.....

[viva le revolution]

Jen Cork, You should have told her the truth about Che, in any case you win.
If she them reacts positively, you have a mind to bring towards communism,
if she reacted negatively, then hell, you coulda convinced her to give you the damn bag&#33;