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[Individual]

Because none of the administrators can come forth and truly explain to me as to the reasoning of my restriction. Of which I have requested numerous times while four administrators have simultaneously been online. I am posting this thread so that hopefully I can get an explanation as well as assure you have made a misconception..


I take it I've been narrowed into being a Libertarian now..?

However any one of you took this as some sort of admittance to being non-leftist sure beats the hell out of me..

Can I get an exact quote, just one, that would lead to any indication that I am infact a right-winger.

I'm not going to moan, *****, and squeal like a pig now that I've been restricted. But honestly guys, couldn't you actually have a reason this time?

I got off on pointing out ignorance, once again, and one of you finally construed up some bullshit about how I must have admitted that I am in some way-shape-or-form not a left-winger.

My political views have hardly changed since the day I joined this board, nor has my way of things. I have spoken out against various aspects of Marxism before, this is nothing new. Hence the name (AQ), criticism is key. Must I agree with everything?

I have never applauded the acts of capitalism, nor do I advocate it. Politics are not as much a part of my life as others, and I believe this has been misconstrued as a lack of support for the left. Whatever the case is, don't be so quick to judge my interpretations. How can one know my beliefs better than I?

How many times have I had to re-iterate throughout my time here that I often play devils advocate, proposing debate from both sides merely for the sake of debate. This is something I do in real life as well, it is a character trait of mine. Something that once again I believed to be helpful but has come back to bite me in the ass.

Using my psychic powers, I predict that my restriction will not be lifted due to some inane reason or another, but hopefully someone will realize that this would never equate to "I am a right-wing nutjob"..

Don't use "He must be a libertarian because he... he... uhh.. pointed out an ignorant statement" as an excuse.

Did any of you forget about Enigma? :huh:

I ask that you don't respond with some smart-ass remark telling me that I can plead all I want. I'm not here to do that, what I am asking is that you all re-read the posts that I made and search for any statement that comes remotely close to me admitting I am a right-winger. I'll admit, I am no communist. Funny thing is, I could have told you that a year ago. Now to take me out of sight of left-wing politics is taking it over-board, and there is no evidence to verify otherwise.

If you have questions as to what my political beliefs truly are, feel free to schedule me a Che-Lives Primetime spot; I know RAF has been on the edge of his seat for months.

If wishing upon the legalization of drugs, decreased military spending, no war, personal freedoms, and pro-choice makes me a libertarian. Then we might as well restrict the whole damn message board.

[LSD]

Can I get an exact quote, just one, that would lead to any indication that I am infact a right-winger.

Well, there's this one,


When will you all not realize that with Marxism comes a lack of many freedoms.

this one,


It always gets me when you Marxists get off about freedom while denouncing capitalism. Make up your mind.

and my personal favorite,


If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business.

[Individual]

Okay, I don't think you are getting it..

Once again, re-read. As in, one more time. Maybe a bit closer.

Can I get an exact quote, just one, that would lead to any indication that I am infact a right-winger.


When will you all not realize that with Marxism comes a lack of many freedoms.

...Marx would have told you this very same thing.


It always gets me when you Marxists get off about freedom while denouncing capitalism. Make up your mind.


If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business.

Nobody seems to wish to prove me otherwise.

Providing me with statements that I already know I produced does nothing.

Explain to me, in all of your AQ is a right-winger glory, how insisting Marxism comes with loss of personal freedoms equates to me being a Libertarian.

Honestly here, real evidence.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business.

In this quote you do not mention what sort of freedom you are talking about. It appears that in this sentence you equate freedom with making money, thus making you capitalist.

And on a personal note, I think you are an arrogant obnoxious prick who deserves a punch in the face.

[Palmares]

What the fuck was that NoXion? Don't start a damn flame war.

I personally have no real problem with AQ. Most of the quotes mentioned do not actually constitute a restriction at all in my opinion. Marxism has never, and will never provide absolute freedom. Even if communism eventuates, Marxism allows for socialism, which will take away freedom (as being a state based system, not to mention other freedom restrictions). It must be noted, saying that Marxism restricts freedom to not saying it is neccessarily fascistic, but it could be.


Originally posted by AQ
If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business.

This quote does constitute a restriction however. I was surprised when I saw that you posted this. This clearly exemplifies a capitalist mentality.

Wouldn't you say something more like anarchism would advocate freedom? Could you please explain your reasoning for this statement?

[LSD]

Explain to me, in all of your AQ is a right-winger glory, how insisting Marxism comes with loss of personal freedoms equates to me being a Libertarian.

Alright, I'll grant you that the first quote is not in and of itself indicative of a reactionay mindset, but what about the other two?


It always gets me when you Marxists get off about freedom while denouncing capitalism. Make up your mind.

This statement clearly implies that freedom is synonymous with capitalism.

You state that supporting freedom while "denouncing capitalism" is contradictory: "make up your mind".


If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business.

This one really speaks for itself.

I don't see how you can justify either of those statements as anything other than reactionary.

But, please do try.
"Honestly here, real evidence.

[synthesis]

If you had said something to the effect of "Communism takes away the freedom to make money" or "the freedom to advance yourself at the expense of others" then there would be no qualms among other members.

Simply saying, though, that "Communism is the opposite of freedom" in a categorical sense is likely to cast a few doubts on your status as a left-winger. Not even moderate leftists would make a statement like that. I'm not convinced that you're anywhere near as intelligent as you try to paint yourself with your prose, but surely you're smart enough to realize the potential consequences of making claims like that?

[Individual]

Again making early assumptions.

You have all assumed that I wish upon complete freedom, something I realize is a ridiculous plight.

With complete freedom comes the ability to murder, rape, steal, et cetera. All of which I have spoken out against on more than numerous occasions. Feel free to search through my post archive if you wish to believe otherwise..


In this quote you do not mention what sort of freedom you are talking about. It appears that in this sentence you equate freedom with making money, thus making you capitalist.

Ludicrous.

It seems that all you associate capitalism with is making money. A very bland description.

What has given you the idea that I infact advocate complete freedom? You have put ideas in your head due to personal distaste. I have said nothing to imply otherwise. I have never advocated complete freedoms, thus taking your ridiculous because you equate freedom with making money, you must be capitalist theory to shit.

Freedom under capitalism is the freedom to degrade sex, race and ability. Freedom under capitalism is the freedom to exploit whomever you wish. Freedom under capitalism is the freedom to carry out whatever means necessary for net gain. These are again freedoms that I have spoken out against time and time again. Something that had you known anything previous of my character, you wouldn't have made such quick assumptions.


This quote does constitute a restriction however. I was surprised when I saw that you posted this. This clearly exemplifies a capitalist mentality.

This is something that I had said, again assuming that I advocate complete freedoms.

I cannot understand how I have been taken out of context to the degree that what I wrote has somehow been misinterpreted to say: I believe in complete freedom, therefore I am an advocate of capitalism and free business. This has been entirely miscontrued and tones have been set due to animosity you all personally hold against me, this is only the internet people.


Wouldn't you say something more like anarchism would advocate freedom? Could you please explain your reasoning for this statement?

Because if Anarchism advocated complete freedoms I would not have an inkling for it. Anarchism, or atleast a form of Anarchism I could appreciate, would not allow for complete freedoms. Though I suppose this is an oxymoron..

I suppose the main thoughts going through my head in time of writing this statement were that of membername's including something along the lines of Here_for_freedom or Freedom_Lives or some other bullshit like that. Along with redstar's then recent thread on "free speech" .. It really got me how one could be angry with the US government in harboring freedoms when claiming to support Marxism. With Socialism comes a sacrifice of certain freedoms for the betterment of all, how this was taken in a negative way I can only wonder.. :unsure:

You cannot advocate complete freedom while advocating Marxism -- This is the main point I was trying to put forth, and this is a point I would assume most would agree with.

Taken that this may have been painful to the ears of those that must not fully understand Marxism, it is the truth. Some must not have been ready for it assuming that Marxism meant freedom and equality for all.



It always gets me when you Marxists get off about freedom while denouncing capitalism. Make up your mind.

This statement clearly implies that freedom is synonymous with capitalism.

Ahh, I get it now.. I see where it is all coming from..

I addressed everyone else as Marxists while excluding myself. Petty me.

I don't see what is so hard to understand that with Marxism comes the sacrifice of personal and economic freedoms. That is just the way it works. Where is redstar to come explain this concept in terms simple enough for understanding, don't suppose you'd like to help me out after all those great things I've done for you.. :D



If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business

I don't see how you can justify either of those statements as anything other than reactionary.

Alright, one last time, plain as day..

Where have I included myself in supporting these freedoms? Where have I mentioned anything about my personal belief. Instead I am making a statement, one which may have been hard to stomach, hence the adverse reaction.

All of my statements in question imply that I advocate these freedoms. Nowhere have I done this, nor had it crossed my mind.

It shouldn't have been hard to notice that my linguistics are not always the best, I am often misinterpreted, this is nothing new for me. Be lucky you don't have to physically speek with me, it gets worse.

Keep me restricted, let me off, whatever suits the situation. What I am up in question for is a misinterpretation. Deny this if you will, but I am not advocating capitalism, and this is all I can say.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by AQ+--> (AQ)With complete freedom comes the ability to murder, rape, steal, et cetera[/b]
You're basing these assumptions on the mentality of capitalism. Someone who advocates the type of anarchistic freedom I do would realise that as we try to change the very structure of society (which includes de-structuring it), the mentality of society will also invariably be changed too. False consciousness makes you think such things (murder, etc) will be rampant in a society with absolute freedom, but if you clear people's minds of this manipulation, then society could be different.


Originally posted by AQ+--> (AQ)I cannot understand how I have been taken out of context to the degree that what I wrote has somehow been misinterpreted to say: I believe in complete freedom, therefore I am an advocate of capitalism and free business[/b]

I apologise for misinterpreting you. I though that perhaps you were leaning towards American libertarianism, as you appeared to be advocating freedom, as it appeared you were criticising Marxism for not being free like capitalism. It didn't appear that you were attacking capitalism. I guess that was the thing that made it misconstrued.


Originally posted by AQ
This has been entirely miscontrued and tones have been set due to animosity you all personally hold against me, this is only the internet people.
I have no animosity against you. I do not want you to be restricted.

[email protected]
Where have I included myself in supporting these freedoms? Where have I mentioned anything about my personal belief. Instead I am making a statement, one which may have been hard to stomach, hence the adverse reaction.
Some people are not as critical of the left, as they are to the right. I'd be interested in hearing your beliefs sometime.


AQ
Keep me restricted, let me off, whatever suits the situation. What I am up in question for is a misinterpretation. Deny this if you will, but I am not advocating capitalism, and this is all I can say.

Despite my own thoughts on the matter, it would appear you probably will stay restricted, at least for now.

Are you anti-capitalist?

[LSD]

Freedom under capitalism is the freedom to degrade sex, race and ability. Freedom under capitalism is the freedom to exploit whomever you wish. Freedom under capitalism is the freedom to carry out whatever means necessary for net gain. These are again freedoms that I have spoken out against time and time again. Something that had you known anything previous of my character, you wouldn't have made such quick assumptions.

Sorry AlwaysQuestion, it's not our responsibility to "know your character".

If you make comments that on their face appear to attack communism and defend capitalism, that is how they will be interpreted.


Where have I included myself in supporting these freedoms? Where have I mentioned anything about my personal belief. Instead I am making a statement, one which may have been hard to stomach, hence the adverse reaction.

The statement that freedom means supporting "capitalism and free business"?

Yeah, you'll find that leftists generally do have an "adverse reaction" to that kind of bullshit.


I cannot understand how I have been taken out of context to the degree that what I wrote has somehow been misinterpreted to say: I believe in complete freedom, therefore I am an advocate of capitalism and free business.


If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business

If you meant excesive freedoms or some freedoms then you should have written that. That sentence clearly states that advocating any freedom requires advocacy of capitalism/free business.

"If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business"


This has been entirely miscontrued and tones have been set due to animosity you all personally hold against me, this is only the internet people.

It's really not personal.


You cannot advocate complete freedom while advocating Marxism -- This is the main point I was trying to put forth, and this is a point I would assume most would agree with.

"Complete freedom"? No, no such thing is possible.

But you didn't write "complete freedom", you wrote "freedom".

"It always gets me when you Marxists get off about freedom while denouncing capitalism. Make up your mind."


It shouldn't have been hard to notice that my linguistics are not always the best, I am often misinterpreted, this is nothing new for me. Be lucky you don't have to physically speek with me, it gets worse.

Your ..."linguistics"?

What?!?

Sorry, but as a linguistics student, I'm very confused by that sentence....


Keep me restricted, let me off, whatever suits the situation. What I am up in question for is a misinterpretation. Deny this if you will, but I am not advocating capitalism, and this is all I can say.

In the future, then, I would advise not writing statements that convey that inpression.

"If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business"

[Individual]

Sorry AlwaysQuestion, it's not our responsibility to "know your character".

If you make comments that on their face appear to attack communism and defend capitalism, that is how they will be interpreted.

Interpret them as you will.

Your interpretation is said to be wrong, aren't mistakes usually fixed?


The statement that freedom means supporting "capitalism and free business"?

Yeah, you'll find that leftists generally do have an "adverse reaction" to that kind of bullshit.

You will usually find that a Marxist understands the principle that with the state of Socialism comes the loss of personal freedoms. Most wouldn't be so hurt by this understanding that it comes with the hopeful betterment of all.

I don't see why the truth is so darn upsetting, didn't we all already know this?

Or have I opened the door to a whole new concept, one that some of you weren't akin to yet? If so, I am sorry to burst your bubble, the truth hurts sometimes.

The fact of the matter is that with Socialism comes the loss of many personal freedoms.


If you meant excesive freedoms or some freedoms then you should have written that.

Gee, I wasn't planning on such a gross mis-interpretation that I would be restricted for it.

Next time I'll be sure to look into the future and re-analyze every last detail to suit your reading tastes.


That sentence clearly states that advocating any freedom requires advocacy of capitalism/free business.

Now you're pulling strings.

I clearly state that advocating any freedom requires advocating capitalism do I?

Let us re-look at the orignal statement I wrote to see just how clearly I wrote about any/all freedoms.

If you are an advocate of freedom, than it seems you would be an advocate of capitalism and free business

Sure seems deadline and clear now doesn't it?

If we are going to play hardball and get down into the nitty gritty, don't make it seem as if I wrote this in black and white, either or. I can't stand when people put words in my mouth.


But you didn't write "complete freedom", you wrote "freedom".

Should have looked into the future again realizing you may have a soft stomach.

My apologies that I wasn't thinking ahead about restriction. Being a libertarian and pointing out a misconception are two totally different things.

I hadn't planned on playing the libertarian, therefore I hadn't planned on re-analyzing my post making it just perfect for the reading audience.


Your ..."linguistics"?

What?!?

Sorry, but as a linguistics student, I'm very confused by that sentence....

Being that linguistics student you are, you should see the irony in what I wrote.

Look deeper, you've already shredded my words enough times, this one shouldn't be too hard for you.

The irony of using the term linguistics while trying to imply that I know what I'm doing.. Nevermind, you should be able to figure it out..


In the future, then, I would advise not writing statements that convey that inpression.

In the future, I would advise managing your own life, instead of over-analyzing mine.

Here is the deal. Having a sassy tone isn't going to get me anywhere, but can you understand a tad bit, maybe just a smiggen, why it is irritating to find that I am restricted for something I have been mistaken for?

We all know that I like to play devil's advocate, just because redstar doesn't understand the concept doesn't mean that I don't do this.

I can see that nobody has bothered to make an issue about this, but I'll be damned if we can just let a mis-interpretation go. I am not a libertarian, and I am not right-wing.

Just because I cannot come out in deciding whether to put some funny adjective in front of a noun does not mean that I must be a right-winger. I am un-decided, so I seriously wonder how anyone else can know what I am before I do myself.

I know what my political beliefs are, but to narrow me into some category seems unfitting for my personality. Why then I ask should this be punishable?

Just because a few online-personalities would like to go ahead and lead you to believe that they have any inclination into my mind, does not mean that they really do. Do not be fooled, they have their own agenda.

Have we locked me up and thrown away the key. Or does anyone have the nerve to do anything about this?

[synthesis]

Gee, I wasn't planning on such a gross mis-interpretation that I would be restricted for it.

No. You are definitely not that stupid.

Face it, you were trying to rustle some feathers and you weren't prepared for the backlash among members tired of your crap.

[Individual]

No. You are definitely not that stupid.

Gee, I am glad we are finally done with believing that labelling me as an idiot was going to prove me wrong..


Face it, you were trying to rustle some feathers and you weren't prepared for the backlash among members tired of your crap.

Rustle some feathers; that is what I do.

However that doesn't make me a Libertarian in any way shape or form.

If we are restricting members for rustling feathers, what are any of you still doing here?

I've cleared out my message box in anticipation that one of you administrators had the balls to send me a message explaining this.

Still nobody will take responsibility for this. I believe I've gone about this in a semi-respectable fashion. Shouldn't I be granted a real explanation, because this shredding of my words isn't cutting it for me.

Face it. You realize that I am not in fact a Libertarian and I have been restricted purely on the advent that you have been dribbling your pants waiting for me to slip up. It's documented, I am no idiot.

What harm was there with me outside of OI? None.

What is the big deal?

[synthesis]

There is a difference between "rustling feathers" in the sense that you use it and the sense that I use it. You try to equate it to simply expressing an opinion that goes against the political current of the community.

When I use it, I mean "trolling."

There is a difference. One can be admirable, the other just irritates people.

[The New State]

It's OK, stay here with us, the damned.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

It's right at top of this forum:
Do not make posts about restrictions

[Vinny Rafarino]

I left this thread open for a reason. I am interested to see exactly how far AQ will go if he is allowed to whine for a while.

In addition, The "don't make posts about restrictions" rule was enacted during a time when a dozen or so people were all whining at once about being restricted. As times have clearly changed, I see nothing wrong with bending the rules a bit.

Especially when I can get a laugh out of it.

RAF WAS HERE.

[DaCuBaN]

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s...22496&st=40&hl= (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22496&st=40&hl=)


There is a difference between "rustling feathers" in the sense that you use it and the sense that I use it. You try to equate it to simply expressing an opinion that goes against the political current of the community.

When I use it, I mean "trolling."

There is a difference. One can be admirable, the other just irritates people.

Perhaps; but has irritation become a "reason" for restriction these days?

[synthesis]

Trolling has always been looked down on; however, the likelyhood that you'll receive a punishment for it depends on how much it pisses people off.

You can be irritating without being trolling, however you can't troll around without being irritating.

[Guest1]

The fact that you even consider Capitalism and "free business" freedom was enough to convince me how to vote.

At the very least you need a month to clear your head, think about what you believe in, and about why you are here. You seem to be a little bit confused. We're not here to entertain you, listen to you make rediculous assertions simply to get a rise out of us. So if you want to be here great, but you need to be ready to discuss things seriously, not say things you don't mean just to piss people off.

If, however, you actually did mean that, than you have to ask why you wanna be here at all.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I don't think we're heare to educate him either, CyM. He's show us his true colors and we need to take them for what tehy are and keep him resricted.

[Individual]

The fact that you even consider Capitalism and "free business" freedom was enough to convince me how to vote.

I am seriously beginning to wonder as to whether or not any of you read my statements, or just followed through with the assumption that I am right-wing and ran with it..

What my statements implied was that under Marxism comes the loss of personal freedoms. Not that my sense of freedom was capitalism.

I am not perfect, I do not have the ability to analyze every possible interpretation of my writings. You all take me for an authored writer that knows every detail of information hidden between the lines..


At the very least you need a month to clear your head, think about what you believe in, and about why you are here. You seem to be a little bit confused.

Now stand with your nose and toes to the wall and think about what you've done Johnny!

You take this rather seriously now don't you?

Should I take the advice of a teenager in thinking about what I believe in, reanalying my life on the whim that I may have something seriously wrong with me? This is all rather petty, I never realized the depth involved here at Che-Lives.. You guys are good!

All in all, atleast you took the time to respond, which I will thank you for, but isn't this all rather silly?


I don't think we're heare to educate him either, CyM. He's show us his true colors and we need to take them for what tehy are and keep him resricted.

I just can't take it, he is just proposterous to look at! He is like a scary monster!

Heaven forbid I see AQ posting in Chit-Chat, I just don't know what I would do if that happen! He won't even take life-lessons from a whimpering high-school student, he must really be an idiot!

In the interest of my physical health, safety, and emotional instability I demand that AQ be locked into one forum so that I do not have to suffer the agony of... reading his posts! Maybe

RedZeppelin, listen to how tender and juvenile you show yourself as.

I can't help myself but walk away, I hadn't realized how puerile some of you are.

[Urban Rubble]

Sorry AQ. I still wub you ! :wub:


Heaven forbid I see AQ posting in Chit-Chat, I just don't know what I would do if that happen! He won't even take life-lessons from a whimpering high-school student, he must really be an idiot!

:lol:

I want to say one last thing about all this. The reason we lock up those who aren't leftists is because we don't want them starting arguments against leftism in all the threads. Do any of you think that is going to be a factor with him ?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If what he said reflects his opinions, and I sure hope we can assume they do, then yes.