What drugs should be legal?

[honest intellectual]

I think most people here believe in legalising weed. But what do you think about legalising other "recreational chemicals" ?

I think ecstasy should be legalised, coz most deaths from it are due to impurities, and if it were legal it could be quality-controlled.
And mescalin should definitely be legal coz it's less dangerous even than alcohol.

OK, bring on the hate...

[Xvall]

Dunno about Extacy.. It's too commonly used as a date rape drug. It's not worth the risk. Most others should be legalized. I just love how the government Restricts what you're allowed to kill yourself with.

Smoking and Drugs - BAD
Skydiving and Joining the MilitaryGOOD

Their life.. Their choice...

[shunt]

shrooms

[j]

Exctasy as a date rape drug? Haven't heard of that way. My understanding is that guys, umm, have some trouble on E........

Legalization is not the question. Of course drugs are not good for you, but that should be the individuals choice I guess. But we need to discover the reasons why we want to use. We need to find better ways to treat addiction (which needs to happen legal or not). E is a combination of a lot of drugs and scares me. I've had my own history with drugs but even in my day I don't think I'd do E. I think if it were legalized it would be equated with weed--which I believe is complete falsehood.

My opinion is that drugs should not be legalized. We need to find the roots of addiction before we legalize. But at the same time I am against the bullshit "war on drugs." Its a waste of time and resources. That is the only reason for legalization. We need to be concience of the message we send to young people about legalized drugs. It should not be the same message we send about alcohol.

j

[VolareMIRCantare]

I don't think any drugs should be legalized because they are all bad. They distort your state of mind and people do things that they usually wouldn't. You can get "high" without drugs, ie music or anything that makes you happy. Also those people who use drugs to surpress the problems in their lives should just face their problems instead of ignoring them and making them worse.

ALSO:

How are we to change the world if we're all high all the time and have brain damage from all the drugs we've taken?? Smart people (like me) don't do drugs!!

[PunkRawker677]

Weed should be legalized because of the main fact that it causes no long term physical or mental illnesses. Its safer than alcohol and tobacco. Mescalin is NOT safe.. say what you want, people have killed themselves and others while on mescalin. mind altering hallucinogens (excluding shrooms) should NOT be legalized, they are a danger to people around you. Shrooms, in the U.S. at least, is legal to sell and produce but illegal to possess.. Strange, eh? Its not a dangerous drug and it has a very slight hallucenogenic effect..

[bleed3r]

"So many people in our society abuse substances to feel good about themselves, or to fit into the "popular" crowd, or to numb pain inside themselves. These are all extremely unhealthy actions, mentally and physically. "

"Straightedgers seek to free themselves of the chains of substance abuse and dependance by living sober and clear-headed. "

"Perhaps the ideals and ideas are more pertinent today than ever as the focus begins to reach beyond affecting merely oneself to altering and improving one's society and environment. "

Taken from straightedge sites, a philosophy I promote highly.. People assume drugs are outlawed because of the evil inherent in the system; That the government is bent on controlling what you ingest into your body without ever taking into account the safety and the environment of society. Though this is occasionally the case, take a look around and tell me that this society would be better if people were allowed to go deal crack wherever they please. Tell me our environment would improve with people getting high off their asses while attempting to become a valuable member of society. I don't preach this on people for the sole fact that I believe people should do what they want with their lives... But when it affects other people's lives is when something must be said.

This is evident both in the social and environmental effects widespread narcotic use would have, and in the religious fanatacism seen every day; Pro-lifers trying to force their views into the legal system, etc. How different is it, really?

I'm big on thinking, I rarely even touch OTC meds, but again I'm not one to force opinions. I believe creating corporations by exploiting an entire people's addictions while profiting off of the health issues involved is less than moral, but were certain other drugs to be legalized there would have to be limits. There should be a fine line between using in the privacy of your own home and using openly where your choices can affect other people. Smokers with no respect for those around them are some of the people who piss me off the most. It's your life, if you enjoy the feeling you get from ingesting that shit, fine. But don't make that choice for other people.

[Anonymous]

well if the government controlled drugs it would take out the crime factor of the drugs industry. its probably a dumbass idea tho.

[Blasphemy]

when someone takes drugs, he is not only effecting himself, but his environment as well. someone high on heroin, or even ecstacy, is a menace to the people around him because his cannot control himself. when someone skydives, on the other hand, he is not risking anyone else but himself.

food for thought.

[Angie]

when someone skydives, on the other hand, he is not risking anyone else but himself.He does if his chute doesn't open and he lands on someone. ;) :biggrin:

I think that the only drug I would actively push to legalise is Marijuana, for the sheer fact that it's a fairly minor drug as far as illegal drugs go, and it's known to assist people who have chronic health problems.

Anything harder than that is too much, I personally feel... I'd love to find a way to teach people a 100% effective trance meditation so that they could throw themselves into that naturally, instead of relying on drugs (chemical or other) to take away their worries, and/or give them the thrill of the adrenalin rush of being high. And it's free.

For those people who have a little money in their pocket to put towards an adrenalin rush, then I bring back Blasphemy's idea: Skydiving!

(Edited by Angie at 11:07 pm on June 14, 2002)

[Xvall]

Quote: from Blasphemy on 10:27 am on June 14, 2002

food for thought.


I'm afraid I don't like yer cookin'...

[Blasphemy]

what's wrong with it?

[Xvall]

Needs more salt..

[Dynatos]

ALL drugs should be legal!!!! Drug laws do more harm than good. Drugs are not good for the people that use them but locking them in a prison for a few years isn't any better.

SUPPORT THE FARC!!!!! USE COCAIN!!!! (responsably)

[I Will Deny You]

[hr]Quote: from j on 9:55 pm on June 13, 2002
Exctasy as a date rape drug? Haven't heard of that way. My understanding is that guys, umm, have some trouble on E........[hr]Ever heard of alcohol as a date rape drug? There have been a few times when I got drunker than I should have and ended up next to someone I, uh . . . well, never mind. The point is, I don't blame any of those guys because I was so drunk that I can't remember if they "took advantage of me" or not. Sleeping pills can be used as date rape drugs. So can Nyquil! I haven't heard of Ecstasy being used as a date rape drug either, so I don't think that's a good reason to keep it illegal.[hr]Quote: from j on 9:55 pm on June 13, 2002
But we need to discover the reasons why we want to use.[hr]Some people on drugs are definitely messed up because of poverty, abuse, etc. But some people just use drugs to have fun! I know that roast beef isn't good for me, but I'm having some for lunch right now. (Honestly, which is more of a problem in the US: obesity or drug abuse?) Lots of people slip into addiction without meaning to after starting casually. I smoke weed for the same reason I eat candy, for the same reason I dance and for one of the many reasons why I teach: it's fun and it makes me feel good.[hr]Quote: from j on 9:55 pm on June 13, 2002
We need to find better ways to treat addiction (which needs to happen legal or not).[hr]Once a drug is legalized, treatment will be much easier and use will go down.[hr]Quote: from j on 9:55 pm on June 13, 2002
I think if it were legalized it would be equated with weed--which I believe is complete falsehood.[hr]Lots of things are legal! E and weed are used in different environments. One of the biggest problems with E is that different drugs are often passed off as E, but if it were regulated by the government this danger would go away.[hr]Quote: from j on 9:55 pm on June 13, 2002
We need to be concience of the message we send to young people about legalized drugs. It should not be the same message we send about alcohol.[hr]Why? Alcohol is much worse than weed. Cigarettes are, too.

[hr]Quote: from VolareMIRCantare on 10:29 pm on June 13, 2002
I don't think any drugs should be legalized because they are all bad.[hr]Please tell me how my roast beef sandwich is any better. Weed does a bit of short-term damage to my brain and this sandwich isn't doing wonders for my heart. Perhaps some of the ultra-militants on this site could invade my apartment and pry my meal from my cold, dead fingers.
[hr]Quote: from VolareMIRCantare on 10:29 pm on June 13, 2002
They distort your state of mind and people do things that they usually wouldn't.[hr]So does greed. So does love.[hr]Quote: from VolareMIRCantare on 10:29 pm on June 13, 2002
You can get "high" without drugs, ie music or anything that makes you happy.[hr]Who would be in more danger at a rock concert: Two stoners towards the back who are just dancing around and having fun, or some macho-wannabe who tries to mosh with guys twice as big as he is, and ends up getting crushed? I've seen the results of both of these, and only one was pretty.[hr]Quote: from VolareMIRCantare on 10:29 pm on June 13, 2002
Also those people who use drugs to surpress the problems in their lives should just face their problems instead of ignoring them and making them worse.[hr]Let's criminalize workaholism and overeating![hr]Quote: from VolareMIRCantare on 10:29 pm on June 13, 2002
How are we to change the world if we're all high all the time and have brain damage from all the drugs we've taken??[hr]Weed doesn't do permanent brain damage. And there's a big difference between spending your entire life high and toking up a few times a month.[hr]Quote: from Blasphemy on 5:27 am on June 14, 2002
someone high on heroin, or even ecstacy, is a menace to the people around him because his cannot control himself.[hr]I'd much prefer a raver or heroin addict to a guy who's been stressed out and is around looking for a fight. Who here has been hurt by a heroin addict? And ravers hardly ever hurt anyone.[hr]Quote: from Dynatos on 1:54 pm on June 14, 2002
Drugs are not good for the people that use them but locking them in a prison for a few years isn't any better.[hr]Exactly. Worst case scenario for a drug user: He shoots up with a needle that's got AIDS on it. Worst case scenario for a prisoner: He is raped by a guy named Bubba who's got AIDS and either dies in the jail's hospital or is stabbed by another inmate. Which would you prefer? Prison is more dangerous than drugs. Not to mention, it's easier to get drugs inside prison than it is outside.

Toodles,
Lindsay

[evil chris]

Until a few weeks ago i had been Straight Edge for about a year and a half but have absoulutely no problem with drugs.
Excpet alchol,nicotine and crack.I don't like those drugs.
But i wouldn't call for them to be illiegal,(well made illiegal for the first two ) because i don't feel i have the right to.
Instead there should be Full Disclosure about the effects of all drugs, both positive and negiative.
There are a world of rumours and half truths peddled about drug, by those hysterical about banning them and those who are selling them.
Most drugs have positive medical, psycological and social effect.E, Dope and in a small dose Alchol all relax you and and make you feel good.If you go clubbin and you see two guys laying into each other, they aint trippin, they aint stoned and they've defintly had more than a Stella.
Dope and the opiates all have pain relivering powers (though the stronger opaites tend um, kill your nevous system),Dope also stimulates the parts of your brain that cause hunger , which is good for those with wasting diseases.
On the other hand dope can activate mental disorder in those prone to it.
If you belive the likes of Timothy Leary, Trips are the key to the next stage of human evoultion.I'm alitle dubious of that but they _do_ open up some creative parts of you.
I'm not too up on anphetines haveing never done them or been too intrested in them but i know alot of people how have or do use them and none of them is dead in a gutter yet.

I don't belive in the legalisation of drugs though.I don't belive in the legalisation of naything becuase i do not recongise The Law as it stands as an arbitory set of rules dictated to us by our rulers.People should be free to do what they want to their bodies.I do not have the right to do anything more than advise them.
The prohibtion of drugs is unjust.On a practical level all it has really done is stregthen organized crime (by the by-not just FARC grow coke, the columbian govt and the US intellgense serivces grow the stuff for funding reason) as did the alcohol prohibition of the 20's.The imprisoning of addicts (rather than users, who rarely get caught) is punnishing an illness.The sickness of addiction should be treated on the NHS.
The imprisoning of addicts also ingores why many turn to the drugs that send you down (the hardcore nasty stuff, like smack,crack and crystal meth) the desperation and poverty that most addicts come from etc.
the ****s that get people addicted in the first place can fry though.No sympathy for dealers.



(Edited by evil chris at 9:40 pm on June 16, 2002)

[Lefty]

well...as far as i can tell people who use E and weed are pretty docile...mellow...laid back....etc, so i think that they should be legalized. My dad the paramedic is of this opinion too. He has never gone on a case where people have hurt other people while on those two

hallucinagenics: no
they make you all trippy, and they may be the next step to evolution, etc, but i'll leave that to timothy leary. My dad HAS gone out on calls where people have hurt each other on hallucinegenics

the hard stuff: crack, crystal meth, heroin, etc
no. just...no

alchohol, cigarettes
this is a moot point, but these are the worst. even tho they will never be banned because of their prevalence in society, my dad has gone out of hundreds of cases involving drunks. my grandpa was a smoker and he died about a month ago. That sums up my opinion on that, i guess. But its a moot point, cuz im 13. i havent had any experience, and i dont intend to be a burnout.

[samaniego]

In my opinion all drugs should be made legal. By making them illegal, the govt's of the world are only making thing's harder for the people. In fact making them legal, make's them cheaper and allows for an increase in quality and safety for the consumer. At this point we don't know what we're buying and risk it, with no one to gripe to if we buy bad good's. So if people want it they should legalize it as long as no one get's hurt.

[Vladimir]

Cocaine too. I hear when its in its pure form, its not dangerous, but the majority of it out there has loads of shit dangerous chemicals.

Peace.:)

[Fires of History]

Most of the "dangers" of drugs are from the fact that they are "illegal," largely mysterious to most users, and often impure. And, yes, there is a huge difference between users and abusers.

Ecstacy for example. It has a bad name, although it shouldn't. Most "E" at raves is bathtub shit cooked up at the last minute by some guy just trying to make some cash to buy a cell phone or gold watch. And people jump into this crap "E" because they don't know that what they're doing. What you really want is the actual liquid MDMA. Only take "E" if it's liquid- if you want to be sure.

Also, Mushrooms and LSD. A lot of people like to talk about the rare times people hurt themselves- or even more rare- others. Shrooms and Acid are meant to be experienced in a good mood. In fact, I won't even do them until everyone has had a few tokes and are really relaxed. If you go into a trip pissed off, unsettled, tense, nervous, paranoid, or anxious, then your trip will be so. I have never failed to see this principle in action. If you're happy, relaxed, or just plain enjoying yourself, once you trip you'll do the exact same; probably just harmlessly sit on your couch as the ground flows beneath you or watch your Led Zeppelin poster come to life- nothing more, and certainly nothing harmful. Whereas if you're angry it's the exact opposite. I made my rule in the first place because I have witnessed twice people tripping angry, and it just makes them worse, and ultimately, out of control. But, this too, is even true of alcohol. If people could just calm down and use drugs for enjoyment (happy) rather than escape (angry), then in my opinion a lot of the minority problems of "hard" drugs wouldn't be so.

And pot. Heh. My friends and I sit around joking as we remind ourselves that something so tame, relaxing, and fun is actually illegal. Heh. What a joke.

But as always a few ruin it for everyone else. Drugs used responsibly, with full knowledge of what you're consuming and with experienced partakers, are never, ever, never a problem. It's that shitty minority of abusers that ruin it, freaking out taking who knows what with no real clue what they're doing. In other words, abusers are the problem, not the drugs. If it wasn't crack or smack or whatever, it would be alcohol or something else. Recreational users are not a threat, and never will be.

I Will Deny You, I agree. There is a *HUGE* difference between a benign Saturday night joint with friends and the speedfreak mugging for cash.

So, definitely legalize marijuana. And I would allow pretty much anything else except heroin and cocaine derivatives. Not that this "War on Drugs" really matters though. Everything's out there still. And far too easy to get to even warrant a true argument on whether or not is should be "illegal."

Edit:

A lot of Shroomers complain that shrooms often upsets their stomach, and a lot of the time they will eventually throw up. Here's every Shroomer's dream solution to that problem if it effects you. Just make some Blue Honey :)

Blue Honey
1 ounce Shrooms
1000 grams Honey

Mix shrooms and honey together well in a glass jar. Now here's the shitty part- Let stand for 3 months. Over time, the honey will become a darker and darker blue. After three months (or until it's a true blue in case you have weaker shrooms), strain the shrooms out. Now you have Blue Honey. Take about 1 Teaspoon for a normal serving (but be sure to test with a dab first in order to check potency). This removes the tummy-upsetting shrooms from the equation, as the psychoactive substances have mixed with the honey. Yummy, and the perfect way to avoid tummy-upset in my experience. Happy trippin' :)

(Edited by Fires of History at 5:28 pm on June 15, 2002)

[antieverything]

What is this about the FARC selling cocaine?

Sure, they sell drugs but the major drug dealers are the US backed, right-wing paramilitaries...criminalization of drug use has a very dark past. Most illegal drugs were made illegal not because of what they did but because of who used them. For instance, it used to be illegal to smoke opium but it was perfectly legal to drink it in tea (chinese immigrant laborors smoked it, but the wealthy drank it) Weed is still illegal because of the fact that hemp poses a threat to oil companies and cotton growers. The CIA sold cocaine in order to fund their righteous battles against the nicaraguense communists (which cost so much money that their funding ran out...while this may seem "out there" it is very well documented)

The nub of my gist is that the state (which has no right to exist anyway) has no right to regulate what we put in our bodies in the privacy of our own homes (we can drink, people get killed all of the time because of it but no one is going to criminalize it!)

Being irresponsible is not good, no matter what you are fucked up on...you should be held accountable, but prohabition didn't work for alchohol and it doesn't work for anything else.

free the Tulia 46.

[suffianr]

Decriminalize drugs? Hello? Does it matter? If you decriminalize something, will it reduce the abuse? Or encourage it even further? Drugs are a vice, one of many that affects mankind. Sooner or later, we're all going to throw away our stinky bongs and roach clips, and then we're all gonna move on to something else...What's your vice? We all have one...

[antieverything]

I do have a sort of weakness towards Twizzlers.

[ID2002]

Any drug if abused can be HIGHLY destructive. In modern society we have a big enough problem with drugs and alcohol as it is. Legalising it would probably cause larger problems.

..but again, it your choice...

Weed/Mesc on the other hand is a herb in comparison to PCP, Heroin, Cocain, LSD....

[antieverything]

If you want to ruin your life, go ahead. All criminalization does is hurt more people even worse.

Drugs are bad...having drugs be illegal is worse.

[Fires of History]

Antieverything,

Well put. Yes, the double-whammy of both alcohol and cotton lobbyists in the late 1920's and early 1930's pushed marijuana into a 'dangerous,' criminal substance. But only because of years and years of lies, half-assed 'studies,' and propaganda.

Suffianr,

I'm just one of those wacky people who would like to have unregulated, unplanned, and unsupervised experiences. Crazy me.

“It is an outrage and a tragedy that young men and women should be imprisoned for the possession of marijuana. The appalling conditions and practices in many of our penal institutions can do infinitely more damage to a young person than his use of marijuana.” –Ed Koch

“The anthropologists tell us that there is nothing unusual about the ingestion of mind-altering substances. Indeed, it is probably more the norm of human life than a deviation from it- and they report that many societies we call 'primitive' managed to have drug use without a drug problem.” –Walter Truett Anderson

“The Bureau of Narcotics maintains that the present severe penalties act as a powerful deterrent. This Commission does not agree. As the Commission pointed out in its introduction, it is difficult to believe that a narcotic addict who is physically and psychologically dependent on a drug will forgo satisfaction of this craving for fear of a long prison sentence, or that a marijuana user obsessed by the 'high' sensation of marijuana will think of the penalty that awaits him if he is caught possessing it. The weakness of the deterrence position is proved every day by the fact that the illicit traffic in narcotics and marijuana continues.” –Advisory Commission on Narcotic and Drug Abuse, 1963

“Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.” –Martin Luther King (So much for what's 'legal' and 'illegal' eh?)

“It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” –Krishnamarti

[j]

Lindsay, you asked if anyone had every been hurt by a heroin addict? Ask any member of a heroin addict's family or their friends.

Drugs are drugs. People are going to do them regardless of their legality. Alcohol and tobacco are just as bad even though they are legal. I've seen people who smoke weed and have no problems. I've seen others abuse it--they are never not high. I don't think drugs should be legalized because I hate the problems they create. But at the same time I hate the damage that alcohol and tobacco causes. We need to alleviate the reasons that people use. If we had a greater equality of wealth drug problems would decrease. I doubt that we will find an answer to drug abuse whether legal or not.

j

p.s.-doesn't Ecstasy have heroin in it?

[Borincano]

All drugs except heroin and acid should be legalized. They are two of the worst drugs.

If drugs are legalized, I don't believe that they should be taxed. Once you tax a controlled substance that harms people physically/mentally, such as tobacco, it comes to the point that the gov't will receive so much money from it, they will actually support (Whether openly or secretly.) the use of the substance. For me, that is the exact opposite of the point of legalizing drugs. It's actually suppose to decrease the usage and trade of it, not increase it.

[Lakay]

I think weed is the best to be legalized. Herb is a herb, drug is a drug.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from j on 9:20 pm on June 18, 2002
Lindsay, you asked if anyone had every been hurt by a heroin addict? Ask any member of a heroin addict's family or their friends.
I was talking about physical violence. For example, domestic abuse occurs a lot more when alcohol is involved. I didn't mean emotional pain. Of course heroin addicts have hurt their families emotionally, but gambling addicts have hurt their families and overeaters have hurt their families too.

Lindsay

[vox]

First off, j, no, E doesn't have H in it.

E got a reputation as a date rape drug because the media confused, I think on purpose, MDMA with GHB, which filthy rapists would slip into a woman's drink (do NOT take GHB if you're drinking). I'm not sure about "liquid E," but it sounds suspiciously like GHB.

I see that there is a lot of misinformation about drugs on display here. For example, someone said that heroin and LSD are the two worst, however, crack and alcohol are more harmful physically than heroin or LSD, so I'm not sure what "worst" means, especially considering that LSD has a low risk of habituation.

Anyway, for all your drug questions go to the Vaults of Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml) and click on the "plants and drugs" link at the bottom.

vox

[Conghaileach]

Ecstasy is made using cyanide and other easily obtainable chemicals used as rat poison. I work in a pub that has a disco once a wekk, and I've seen the effects of these drugs.

The only drug I have no problem with is marijuana, though I would never use it myself.

[pastradamus]

Im not sure bout the position of marijuana,bu I think you are an absouloute fool if you think heroin,LSD,cocaine,ecstasy ect... should be legalised.
We got a problem with Ectasy here in Cork.
My cousin lost his friend over the stuff,even tho he only took half a pill.The stuff is made by amateur chemists,who throw in rat poison & lots of other shit.

When its mixed with alcohol it is especially dangerous,even if u drink the alcohol some hours beforehand.it is also a known fact that when the pill makes the uses "dehydrate" the user then naturally wants as much water as he/she can find,but the thing is this water is sent to the brain drowning it & suffocating it............
Also,if it were to be legalised it could easily get into the hands of youngsters,dont believe me? well how do they get tobacco?

So by all means take as much of the shit as you want and end up dead on the floor like the fucking rat you are.

[Menshevik]

I don't see anything wrong with marijuana being legalized, it should be restricted though. I wouldn't want people smoking up while they were driving or operating machinery, so strict regulations need to be enforced. My only argument against legalizing canabis is that, overuse of marijuana often leads to the use of other, harder drugs. Other than that, i have no qualms over legalizing marijuana.

[Rob]

All drugs, when overused/abused, are bad. However, they shouldn't be illegal, because that just creates a criminal industry, which in turn brings about violence. Also, their criminalization is just an excuse for the pigs to go to war against the ghetto.

[I Will Deny You]

[hr]Quote: from pastradamus on 12:02 pm on June 21, 2002
Also,if it were to be legalised it could easily get into the hands of youngsters,dont believe me? well how do they get tobacco?[hr]It's just as easy for kids to get weed or alcohol (illegal drugs) as it is for them to get tobacco.[hr]Quote: from Menshevik on 12:19 pm on June 21, 2002
My only argument against legalizing canabis is that, overuse of marijuana often leads to the use of other, harder drugs.[hr]This has been disproven.

[vox]

"but the thing is this water is sent to the brain drowning it & suffocating it............ "

Oh c'mon! This is ridiculous. Unreal.

vox

[hXcPetey]

I consider my self sXe except for coffee on a slow or painfull day and if i'm dead thirsty i'll drink a caffinated drink if its all i got. but i'm the type of sXe persun who start a group called "straight X edge people for legallisation of pot" (thats what I'd call it)

so you guys can do what you want but i still encourage y'all to make the personal choice to take up the X as I have an edge

[hXcPetey]

Quote: from Menshevik on 5:19 pm on June 21, 2002
I don't see anything wrong with marijuana being legalized, it should be restricted though. I wouldn't want people smoking up while they were driving or operating machinery, so strict regulations need to be enforced. My only argument against legalizing canabis is that, overuse of marijuana often leads to the use of other, harder drugs. Other than that, i have no qualms over legalizing marijuana.


just no age-ism. age limits are what really should be outlawed

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

I believe it should be n the extremes. Either there are no anti-drugs laws and people can be trusted not to misuse drugs or there is a total drugs(Including cigs) ban with substantial punishment for dealing etc. to simple stop people from using them. Both have their problems but they are beter than todays current hypocritical systems.

[hXcPetey]

i see your pOi!nt.....
........just i disagree

[pastradamus]

Quote: from vox on 8:22 pm on June 21, 2002
"but the thing is this water is sent to the brain drowning it & suffocating it............ "

Oh c'mon! This is ridiculous. Unreal.

vox


Is it? You wanna go tell the victims of this shit that is't unreal?,i cudnt believe it either but I swear its true a load of medical specialists were saying it on TV before.

[mcleodstickle]

weed is the oly thing that should be legalised...

E's shud DEFINATELY not be legalised... they are far to harmful... and i wudnt matter that they wud be quality controlled... because the impurtiies wud still get thru, and be sold cheaper... so no one wud win from that.

also, for some reason i belive that if any drugs were legalised ur doctor wud have to approve, it, cos some of the normally fairly harmless ones can be really fatal in certain circumstances... but NOT prescribed thru doctors...

but as i sed, weed is the only one i can think of that i really dont have a problem with it being legalised... i mean i smoke it myself from time to time

[hXcPetey]

drugs:
Keeping the opressed in line
workers to lumpin and thugs
make them totaly blind
since the begining of time




but its still your chOi!ce I just believe in advising y'all against it

[Black Jesus]

Hey Vox it is nice to see someone else with some real drug knowledge, you've read McKenna right?

Alright, where to begin...

Weed should be legalized because of the main fact that it causes no long term physical or mental illnesses. Its safer than alcohol and tobacco. Mescalin is NOT safe.. say what you want, people have killed themselves and others while on mescalin. mind altering hallucinogens (excluding shrooms) should NOT be legalized, they are a danger to people around you. Shrooms, in the U.S. at least, is legal to sell and produce but illegal to possess.. Strange, eh? Its not a dangerous drug and it has a very slight hallucenogenic effect.

Ok first of all, psilocybian mushrooms are illegal to possess, grow, sell and use in this country, however the spores are legal to purchase and possess because they contain no psilocybin or psilocin (main mushroom alkaloid). I don't understand how you can advocate the legalization of mushrooms at the same time advise against mescaline when they are so chemically similar. Here, take a look: Chemical Comparison (http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_compare/chem_compare.cgi?LM=_ch_mescaline_ia_mescaline_3d_ mid.jpg&RM=_pl_mushrooms_ia_psilocybin_3d_mid.jpg)

What you really want is the actual liquid MDMA. Only take "E" if it's liquid- if you want to be sure.

Actually, pure MDMA is fine, white crystals. Source (http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal109.shtml)

Weed/Mesc on the other hand is a herb in comparison to PCP, Heroin, Cocain, LSD....

Oh come on! What a pointless arguement... If you don't think herbs can be harmful, why don't you try eating some nightshade laced with some datura seeds.

p.s.-doesn't Ecstasy have heroin in it?

A common myth.


Ecstasy is made using cyanide and other easily obtainable chemicals used as rat poison.

I am sorry but that is just not true. The chemicals needed to make MDMA are very hard to obtain considering most of the are List I Chemicals, which may require special records of transactions & use be kept because the chemicals can be used in the production of scheduled substances.

Alright that is it for now. Free your mind.

[hXcPetey]

"p.s.-doesn't Ecstasy have heroin in it?"
i hear ecstacyhas just about every thing in it but i've never tried it. its pOi!ntless. it makes a bad world look better so you can bemore excepting of society. that makes the powerful of society happy. they can reject you and you will still except their treatment gratefully!

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from hXcPetey on 12:35 pm on June 22, 2002
"p.s.-doesn't Ecstasy have heroin in it?"
i hear ecstacyhas just about every thing in it but i've never tried it. its pOi!ntless. it makes a bad world look better so you can bemore excepting of society. that makes the powerful of society happy. they can reject you and you will still except their treatment gratefully!You're reading way too much into this. Ecstacy has virtually nothing to do with any workers. From what I can tell, high school and college students are the main users of it. It's almost always taken at parties, and virtually never taken by a worker while he/she is being denied whatever rights that he/she deserves as a worker. Unlike many other drugs, Ecstacy is virtually never used as an "escape" and is just taken to enhance a good time. I've never used it and I wouldn't recommend it, but it's still not as awful as you seem to think it is.

Lindsay

[Valkyrie]

I saw that report too Pastra a few months ago -- a teenage girl took E and soon after was vomiting. She than started drinking gallons and gallons of water. I think they found something like 10 empty gallons on the floor in the bathroom that her friend said she chugged down in less than an hour. And that's what they said.. her brain was saturated with water. She died from water on the brain.

Anyway, Reportedly they are selling E with V now, as a package deal. Apparently with E, like coke and speed men temporarily loose thier sexual ability, so they need the V to maintain it.

[Fatos Locos]

I think Ecstasy or any other hard drug should not be legalised. Not because it's dangerous, cuz if you take it together with someone who has used it before and you make sure that you've got enough water with you and a bed it's pretty safe. The only dangerous thing is when you get Ecstasy pills filled with dangerous chemicals. But if you know you got safe pills, got a bed and water and an experienced someone with you almost nothing can go wrong. And don't take to much on you first time. 1/4 or maybe 1/2 of a pill is probably more then enough. I know this out of my own experience. I've taken Ecstasy myself. But the danger of it is the addiction. It's just f*cking great. There's nothing that isn't a drug that can give you the same kick and that's the danger of it. Cuz when someone offers it's to me, I know how great it is and becuz of that it makes it real hard to say no. Damn, typing that down makes me wanna take it again, its just to f*cking great....................

(Edited by Fatos Locos at 9:12 pm on June 22, 2002)

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Quote: from mcleodstickle on 12:31 am on June 22, 2002
weed is the oly thing that should be legalised...

So you are allowed to kill yourself one drug and not with another? It should be all drugs legalized or none.

[Fatos Locos]

Well, there are offcourse differences in drugs. You got drugs and drugs. And the main difference in drugs is soft and hard drugs. IMO hard drugs should be illegal en soft should be legal since you don't get addicted to soft drugs.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Quote: from Fatos Locos on 9:41 pm on June 22, 2002
Well, there are offcourse differences in drugs. You got drugs and drugs. And the main difference in drugs is soft and hard drugs. IMO hard drugs should be illegal en soft should be legal since you don't get addicted to soft drugs.
And who, exactly, would decide what is a hard drug and what is not?
And are cigarettes considered "soft"? Because I'm pretty sure you can get addicted to them

[Fatos Locos]

Quote: from Mac OS Revolutionary on 9:51 pm on June 22, 2002
And who, exactly, would decide what is a hard drug and what is not?
And are cigarettes considered "soft"? Because I'm pretty sure you can get addicted to them
Good point there Mac Os. Well first of all. Cigarettes are IMO no drug. You can get addicted to them, but some people are addicted to pain, sex etc. but that ain't drugs. And the difference between soft and hard drugs. Well first of all. You can't figure out what drugs will do to you by just study the chemicals that are in them. The only way to find out is to try it yourself. And the difference between soft and hard. Well that's diffucult. I have to say that if a drug is too addictive then it should be considerd as hard drugs and when it's too dangerous for your body it should be hard drug too. Things that work on THC (weed, hasj, space cake etc.) should be soft, shrooms too. And I think that should be enough. With the weed you can get high and feel happier and with the shrooms you can go hallucinate and I think that that should be enough.

[guerrillaradio]

Mac has a point here. If drugs are to be taken on principle, then surely the principle should apply to all drugs?? My opinion is that users should not be imprisoned, but dealers should. Users who deal?? Well um...I haven't got that far yet.

[Needssomeconvincing]

Legalise cannibis.
It's so common police don't care about it anymore.
Its probably in the governments best interest cos they'll make cash off taxes and stuff.

[Bakunjin]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeed...
As it concerns me I would legalise them all so the idiots could kill themselves... Everyone has right to bang with their heads against the wall as much as they wan't to.
But... If we don't be so libertarian I would say WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED... MIGHTY WEED...
BOB MARLEY FOREVER!

[Pepe]

If we really think about it, all substances so called drugs should be somehow legal.
This doesn't mean that all should be legal in the same way. Hard drugs could always be subjected to a higher quality and consume control while soft drugs as weed could be more freely comercialze such in Holand.
Legalizing would bring more control over quality and also opening the possibility to more information which is what misses a lot, we can even say that could be created some kind of drugs education.

But in respect to weed I must say that all is and was based in a big interest from pharmaceutical companies that weed would be legal.

Once again the money and the big lobing won.

[uth1984]

Obviously, Weed should be legal, as should E. for the addictive grugs, like Dope -- as in Heroin -- they should not be legal, but addicts should be given a prescription, treatment not criminalisation. That is how the drugs war can be won.

[hXcPetey]

drugs keep people in line

[Borincano]

Those who abuse drugs shouldn't be sent to jail. They should be sent to rehabilitation programs according to the drug.

[deadpool 52]

Yeah, anything physically addicting should be taken into account.

[canikickit]

you should be allowed do whatever you want once it doesn't bother other people, heroin should be legal, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha..........

[sypher]

I think weed should be legalized but thats it. everything else is to risky in my opinion

[Dhul Fiqar]

Legalize 'em all and let God sort 'em out... or something like that, my brain ain't workin' too good these last few years...

--- G. Raven

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from pastradamus on 11:56 pm on June 21, 2002

Quote: from vox on 8:22 pm on June 21, 2002
"but the thing is this water is sent to the brain drowning it & suffocating it............ "

Oh c'mon! This is ridiculous. Unreal.

vox


Is it? You wanna go tell the victims of this shit that is't unreal?,i cudnt believe it either but I swear its true a load of medical specialists were saying it on TV before.

It's just that E gets you into a pattern of repeating the same action over and over. If you feel thirsty and have a glass of water, then have another, then another, then another... You can actually OD on water. But this us not exactly a direct effect of E.

In Ireland, it's illegal to pick or process 'magic mushrooms', which means that you have to graze them!


i hear ecstacyhas just about every thing in it but i've never tried it.
E is (should be) pure amphetamine. You can't deny that if it were legal, you would have no problem with impurities.

Also, it is not true to say that weed is less dangerous than tobacco. A recent study found that the effect on your lungs is about 4 times that of cigarettes, although as weed is not addictive, I imagine it would cause less health problems as there would be less chronic smokers.

Now for my rant--
To all you straight edgers, how can you oppose drugs without ever experiencing them? If you don't know where they can take you, it is ridiculous to even begin to argue against them. You basically don't know what you're talking about. And then you have the audacity and the arrogance to try to take the moral high ground, as if your ignorance of the topic makes you better able to argue resonably about it and, worse, makes you superior to us. How can you pretend moral superiority when all we have done is have harmless fun? You come out with these ridiculous statements (like saying that people on mescalin are a harm to others). The one characteristic that runs through all of your arguments is a haughty ignorance. I take drugs in moderation, I am very careful about my health. The only adverse side-effect I have ever suffered is a hangover. Other than that, I have simplyhad fun., and FUN IS GOOD. If drugs were legalised, they could be controlled, available only on prescription. You only see the bad side of drugs, you can never understand them from the outside. How can something be wrong if it does no harm to anybody, as drugs will in a proper environment.

[canikickit]

that's what I would have said

[Dhul Fiqar]

Just to clarify, real E is not pure amphetamine, but speed has been sold as E in the past.

MDMA or even MDA is E, nothing else.

--- G. Raven

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Cigarettes should be either illegal or have the contents modified.

[canikickit]

you should modify your brain

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Maybe I should but cigarettes are still a slow suicide.

[Fires of History]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 12:29 am on July 27, 2002
To all you straight edgers, how can you oppose drugs without ever experiencing them?


Honest Intellectual, yeah, funny that eh?

I'm going to pick on my forced-acquaintance Daniel from work, since I know he won't be visiting here. He, like most people, is a walking lie about most things. He's never done drugs, yet pretends that he knows everything about them. He's not gay, yet he claims to know everything about homosexuality. He has barely even heard the name Marx, yet he acts like an expert on Communism. He's a self-professed expert on all of the world's problems, but he's just like so many others.

And with all this 'expertise' everywhere, one has to wonder why such inept decisions are being made on every level- and outright lies are passed off as truth everyday. Too many people want to pretend they know everything, so they pick on topics that are easy to be the 'righteous expert' on- Drugs, Homosexuality, and Communism. Part of why I think there are still so many misconceptions- and blantant lies- about these three areas particularly.

I remember my anxiety about the first time I smoked marijuana. Long story short, my friend Jeff and I- both being DARE graduates, lol- were quite nervous about what it would be like. Would we go crazy? Would we lose control? Would we be rushed to the hospital? Would we kill ourselves? Would we go rob some poor old woman, wake up later in a puddle of vomit and not remember a thing?

But being that our curiousity was- thankfully- stronger than any other thought that day, we went for it. And I can remember one of Jeff's first comments after getting stoned, "What!? That's it!?" And I can remember not being able to believe anymore that pot was actually illegal. I sat there thinking, "This is illegal?" I really couldn't believe it now that I had tried it.

I wanted to go around to everyone who 'knew everything about drugs' and make them try the harmlessness I just did. And most of all I wanted to smack the living shit out of my DARE officer.

We spent the rest of the night giggling about the lies we had been told that we now knew were false, listening to great music which became even greater, relaxing, and just having a good time keeping our munchies at bay...

...and then of course after all that we went out, did huge amounts of heroin, robbed a bank, murdered our neighbors in cold blood, stole their car, and went hunting for crack to hide the pain of how that joint had just ruined our lives forever. Of course.

(Edited by Fires of History at 4:20 pm on July 28, 2002)