What is your spiritual orientation?

[Carmen]

Why not talk to friends? How did god help you're mind do it, explain? As far as I can conclude you're brain and emotions helped you get through it not this god.

As i said before, i know my brain and emotions get me through crap, but i pray to god for comfort and assurance, can you tell me the harm in that? I don't follow any organised religion because i believe them to be false. So please comrade, enlighten me tell me why what i am doing is wrong? Because you seem to have concluded so readily that my belief in God is 'incorrect'.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 10:14 PM
Right now, i'm seriously considering changing from 'agnostic' to 'atheist'.
The only necessary difference between agnostic and atheist is the assertion that "God does not exist."


I see so much logic in the idea that when we die, we lose all conciousness.

That does materially seem most likely and as far as our observed occurrences here go; that is "the end." No as for the supernatural; there is no proof... so I take the weak agnostic/atheist position (as logically determined) and disregard such a concept without material basis. To conclude anything about an unknown concept is absurd; whether pro or con.


When a plant dies, it withers away. When an animal dies, its remains rot away. I know of no real evidence that a god/goddess has ever existed, or ever will exist.

So you have summed up the materialist basis of the agnostic position.

You are always welcome to join the debate on this issue (first link in my signature).

[Donnie]

As i said before, i know my brain and emotions get me through crap, but i pray to god for comfort and assurance, can you tell me the harm in that? I don't follow any organised religion because i believe them to be false. So please comrade, enlighten me tell me why what i am doing is wrong? Because you seem to have concluded so readily that my belief in God is 'incorrect'.
I never said it would harm you; I was mealy providing an atheist opinion. Hey I can't force you into believing in something else I’m just as bad as religion.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 04:37 PM
I was mealy providing an atheist opinion. Hey I can't force you into believing in something else I’m just as bad as religion.
I wouldn't go that far; atheism may follow the same form as religious assertions in being materially baseless but I haven't seen anything comparable in the negative sociatal implications.

[LSD]

You are always welcome to join the debate on this issue (first link in my signature).

Link's broken again. ;)

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 31 2005, 12:13 AM

You are always welcome to join the debate on this issue (first link in my signature).

Link's broken again. ;)
What the fuck!?

Stop breaking my link LSD :P

FIXED!

[bombeverything]

I am an atheist.

I don't believe in god or any higher power. Each to their own, however.


Can you prove it? Can you prove prayer or his belief in God didn't help him get through his hard times?

Yes, an imagination can help people get through hard times. But that is all it is.

[FleasTheLemur]

I'm a weird Theist. Like Einstein, I believe that our universe is just way too precise to be randomly generated by the Big Bang, which is also somewhat of an argument that is hard to believe in.

All matter stayed frozen at in a tiny cluster at Absolute Zero until these atoms suddenly spazzed, causing a huge boom and the universe came into existence, with all properties of the universe being right on the button? Believing in a god(s)/goddess(es) may seem a little far-fetched for some of you out-right logical atheist, but even with rationality, that seems a little out there. While there is evidence to suggest that the universe is moving outward from something, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Big Bang caused it.

Primordial ooze is also a little hard for me to swallow. Two random molecules smash together and form the first protein which would later become a single cell organism? Again, it's sounds out there to me. I do believe in evolution, but that spark from not alive to alive had to be triggered by something or than just random smashing.

I also believe that I'm more sentient than other animals. I can have talk, I can love, I can do thinks an animal would never think of doing. Scientifically equating Earthworms to humans is down right disheartening to me. We've done so much and we can do so much more. I'm already a cog inside of a machine through capitalism; I don't want to be degraded any further by hearing that I have no soul and that I’m just an organism.

EDIT: Considering the date on the last post, maybe I shouldn’t have posted to it.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 12:31 PM
I'm a weird Theist. Like Einstein, I believe that our universe is just way too precise to be randomly generated by the Big Bang, which is also somewhat of an argument that is hard to believe in.

All matter stayed frozen at in a tiny cluster at Absolute Zero until these atoms suddenly spazzed, causing a huge boom and the universe came into existence, with all properties of the universe being right on the button? Believing in a god(s)/goddess(es) may seem a little far-fetched for some of you out-right logical atheist, but even with rationality, that seems a little out there. While there is evidence to suggest that the universe is moving outward from something, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Big Bang caused it.

Primordial ooze is also a little hard for me to swallow. Two random molecules smash together and form the first protein which would later become a single cell organism? Again, it's sounds out there to me. I do believe in evolution, but that spark from not alive to alive had to be triggered by something or than just random smashing.

Just learn more about Physics and Cosmology, it makes the Big Bang have alot of sense once you have a better understanding, I also wondered how the universe was in one ball, but once I read up and singularites and the multiverse, it makes alot more sense.

I'm a full blown atheist now.

[John Dory]

I'm an atheist. No elaboration right now, sorry.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 09:18 PM
I've reserched many religions from Paganism to Buddhism, but so many arent compatible with communism.
You need to read between the lines with religion, because they have been controlled by the bourgeoisie for a really long time.

[Big Boss]

Catholic. I was born catholic and I shall die as one also. I have my political ideals which I will defend with all my might. I always ask God for guidance and support during hard times. I hope I'm not offending anyone with this, but it's the truth and I'm not killing anybody by praying.

[Arca]

Originally posted by Big Boss
Catholic. I was born catholic and I shall die as one also. I have my political ideals which I will defend with all my might. I always ask God for guidance and support during hard times. I hope I'm not offending anyone with this, but it's the truth and I'm not killing anybody by praying.

I died a little inside if that counts

Oh and I'm an atheist because the bible/quran/book of mormon/whatever has too many holes, contradictions etcetera etcetera to be taken anywhere near seriously, and interpretation just annoys me. I'd elaborate further but I'm tired

And I'm not sure if I posted here before

[Big Boss]

I died a little inside if that counts

:huh:

[Arca]

It was a joke...?

:blink:

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

I'm an Atheist with Agnostic leanings. I don't believe in any god, but if one exists, cool. Eternal life could be fun.

[Creature]

Anglican Christian who is also not a member of a Church, and who has his own ideas. Add to my Christian beliefs reincarnation.

But just to clarify, I believe in God. I believe in a soul. Do I believe he controls my life? No. But I believe he's put me on what ever path I am now following.


Because the material world exists. If God also exists, he must exist in a material form, otherwise material existence wouldnt exist. If you deny that, you deny logic, in which case, you're probably not even real...hey your computer is probably not real...

So your saying that if God created the garden, he'd exist as the gardener?
Well maybe he isn't the gardener, but he is the garden.

[Comrade-Z]

Militant atheist with slight taint of agnosticism. Sure, I'm only maybe 99.9% sure that there is no god. There's maybe a 0.1% chance that there is. But, if there is a god, it will be necessary to abolish him. That's where the militancy comes into play. :redstar2000:

[Cyanide Suicide]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:59 AM
Im an agnostic with far atheist leanings. I truly believe that there is no God, but i don't deny the possiblity that there might be one. However I'm very doubtful. This is probably the position of almost every agnostic out there.
I agree with this. I'm pretty sure there is no God, but there's always a chance that there could be. However, if there is a God, I'm damn sure not "praising" him.

[HateandWar]

I'm an agnostic. While I do believe there is a god I dont think that any religion has really understood said beings true nature. That being said I dont think we can fully comprehend God and therefore I act more on necessity of ideal than any spiritual belief.

[Niemand]

I'm an Atheist and find religion to be one of the greatest farces mankind has ever seen.

[Ol' Dirty]

I'm an atheist. I that religion is based on prehistoric, primative superstition and ignorance. Really, the wholle point of religion was because prehistoric man couldn't answer many universal questions, such as why we are here, and why there are strange boomy sticks and wet stuff coming out of the sky. Really primative. We just kept streching the idea; it was okay thousands of years ago, but now that we have a lot of answers to alot of basic questions.

I don't think you have to be atheist or agnostic to be communist, anarchist, socialist etc., but it doesn't help.

peace

[Ol' Dirty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 02:30 AM
I'm an agnostic. While I do believe there is a god I dont think that any religion has really understood said beings true nature. That being said I dont think we can fully comprehend God and therefore I act more on necessity of ideal than any spiritual belief.
Well, then your're techinically not agnostic if you belive in god. That simply means you're non-religious.

[Vladislav]

I use to be Russian Orthodox, but became an atheist. I&#39;ve only been to church 5 times in my life and all times I was forced to go >.<. I was never a true believer and only use to pray for world peace, but gave up when I was 10 years old since I figured my prayers weren&#39;t being answered.

[HateandWar]

Well, then your&#39;re techinically not agnostic if you belive in god. That simply means you&#39;re non-religious.

No. If you want to be really technical it means that I believe God&#39;s existence cant be proven. Doesn&#39;t mean I cant believe in him/her/it but yes I am non-religious as well.

[vox_populi]

I think that we have a soul and I think that there is some sort of spirit in the world. And that feeling you get when you&#39;re in love or really happy...you know that feeling of utter happiness you have no worries and life is great. That feeling is your soul beeing "one with the spirit of the universe". And when you die your soul leaves it&#39;s prison of the body and your soul becomes one with the spirit for all eternity. But theese are just thoughts and i haven&#39;t really "perfected" my belief yet. Im kind of soul searching actually but haven&#39;t gotten very far. I&#39;ll add more as go...It might change radically...

[leftist resistance]

i believe there is God.
but i believe that organised religion has gotten alot of crap to it.

i don&#39;t think you have to be atheist to be a commie.it would be superficial in communist society because by then,people have instilled in them the sense of duty to society as whole,to gain communal progress and peace and happiness for all.thats what most religion try to highlight,minus the bourgoise elements that may have seeped through.
as che said,i don&#39;t think we are closely related,but if you tremble with indignation at every injustice,then you are a comrade of mine..and that is more important
the struggle against injustice is what binds us all

[ItalianCommie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 11:25 AM
i believe there is God.
but i believe that organised religion has gotten alot of crap to it.

i don&#39;t think you have to be atheist to be a commie.it would be superficial in communist society because by then,people have instilled in them the sense of duty to society as whole,to gain communal progress and peace and happiness for all.thats what most religion try to highlight,minus the bourgoise elements that may have seeped through.
as che said,i don&#39;t think we are closely related,but if you tremble with indignation at every injustice,then you are a comrade of mine..and that is more important
the struggle against injustice is what binds us all
Don&#39;t you think that without religion we, as the human race, would be better off? Less social implications, less wars, less hierarchical society, less submission to such a society?

In religion, I follow this line:"If God existed, we should be rid of him". That&#39;s Bakunin.

[leftist resistance]

I think the base of most religion is fairness and to do good unto others.the giving of alms of rich to poor in Islam,the spreading of joy to others in Christianity,the peaceful ways of Buddhism,etc.some people see the need to help others through religion.thats why there are religious organisations that do charity works.
Hierarchy has been used by religion organisations to gain power and recognition.however,this occured more commonly during the feudal era.

On the other hand,i agree that there would not have been the bloody crusades,witshhunt,etc.Less wars would have taken place.Hierarchy of person according to divine knowledge(common to religious person) would not have occured(this is not pervalent now,though).
I also think some religious groups stress too much on the afterlife that they forget about the material world.as though they were on opiates.

Bottomline?..religion is a double-edged sword

[STI]

I think the base of most religion is fairness and to do good unto others.

The base of religion is faith, a revolting insult to the potential of human intelligence if there ever was one.


the giving of alms of rich to poor in Islam,the spreading of joy to others in Christianity,the peaceful ways of Buddhism,etc.some people see the need to help others through religion.thats why there are religious organisations that do charity works.

So if religious people do charity work because "that&#39;s what it&#39;s all about", then how on Earth do you explain all the outright shitty things religious organizations do?

Isn&#39;t that what religion is "all about"?


I also think some religious groups stress too much on the afterlife that they forget about the material world.as though they were on opiates.

Not only that, they actively go out and try to make the material world worse, or at best try to thwart any attempts to make it better.




Bottomline?..religion is a double-edged sword

...With both edges used against us.