cuba

[gam]

with the people in cuba living in a state of poverty, is fidel castro and the rest of the government living the same way, or are they living in wealth? also, what are your views on cubans risking their lives to reach america. Do you think living quality in cuba has gotten that bad? I would like to know your thoughts, thanks.

[fernando]

I think Cuba would have been off worse if Batista or some other US puppet stayed in power, the embargo and the terrorist attacks performed by the US against Cuba are the main thing that is keeping Cuba poor. People flee to the US to have a better life, the US however uses this as political propaganda saying that they leave because Castro is "such an evil dictator", but people want a better life, I mean most of the Puerto Ricans live in New York I guess...Mexicans try to go to the US daily, but then the US doesnt say anything about evil dictators.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 10:13 PM
what are your views on cubans risking their lives to reach america.
Most Cubans who try to leave Cuba are usualy, young, inexperienced people who think they might be better-off in the States. From what i gathered while i was there: most Cubans are loyal to the government, only two or three people that i talked to said they was not very happy with Fidel.

[bolshevik butcher]

Cuba isn't that great, it's censored and fuidel is homophobic. That's not to say that it would be better under a us puppet.

[Orange Juche]

Id love to experience Cuba myself, but I cant, because Americas stupid fucking laws on going there.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 23 2004, 12:34 AM
Cuba isn't that great, it's censored and fuidel is homophobic. That's not to say that it would be better under a us puppet.
censored by or with what?
fidel is not homophobic, keep your self updated.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 12:38 AM
Id love to experience Cuba myself, but I cant, because Americas stupid fucking laws on going there.
Fly through Canada or Mexio.
The Cuban officers might ask you whether you want to have a chop on your passport when you are there, sometimes they don't even ask as they don't chop your passport for your benefit.
My grandma lives in Canada, i think i'll go after my graduation.http://www.morethanwords.it/studenti/calshop/musik3.gif

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Tupac-Amaru+Nov 22 2004, 11:12 PM--> (Tupac-Amaru @ Nov 22 2004, 11:12 PM)
[email protected] 21 2004, 10:13 PM
what are your views on cubans risking their lives to reach america.
Most Cubans who try to leave Cuba are usualy, young, inexperienced people who think they might be better-off in the States. From what i gathered while i was there: most Cubans are loyal to the government, only two or three people that i talked to said they was not very happy with Fidel. [/b]
please kindly tell us more of what goods and bads you have encountered/experienced there in Cuba~

gracias, senor~ :)

[fuerzasocialista]

I have a deep appreciation for Cuba and Fidel. As a Latin American, those of us that support Cuba and Fidel recognize the importance of the revolution and what can be achieved if we only learned how to be united. I myself have been putting off a trip to Cuba because of the complications that arise from having US citizenship. But, I'm getting closer to going. I'm at the point where I don't give a rat's ass about what the government will do to me. I just don't care.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 04:00 PM

please kindly tell us more of what goods and bads you have encountered/experienced there in Cuba~

gracias, senor~ :)
Well firstly what impacted me the most was how happy the people were (the american image of a socialist country looking grey and depressed doesnt apply to Cuba). There were lots of good things: good weather, good ladies, good cigars...

One thing which i notticed is that they have a heavily cencored media. But that didn't realy surprise me. (btw if you speak spanish you can listen to Cuban radio at www.radiorebelde.com.cu or read articles on www.granma.cu)

One aspect which a lot of people talked about is that the people working in the tourism industry were a lot richer than the farmers or doctor or whatever. The people who have access to tourism have access to a lot more money, and there seemed to be quite an inequality there. For example i met this lady who was a doctor, she studied hard and recieved her dimploma from Fidel himself but she makes much much less than her friend who owned a bar and who hadn't studied, he made more money cause he had access to tourists.

As i said in my earlyer post, most people there are in favour of the government, only a few said they wasnt (contrary to what some might think, people there arent afraid to tell us their opinion).

That's all that i can think of for the moment. (if you got any special questions...just message me)

[Red Heretic]

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[Red Heretic]

My quesitons on Cuba:

How much would a plane ticket from North Mexico be?
How can a vegetarian fare there?
Are there shortages of any basic needs?
How can someone who knows no Spanish fare there?
Are the people suspicious of Americans?
Is it possible to meet Castro? If you have media ties, maybe?
What sorts of places are there to see as a tourist?
How much money would I need to take to be there for a week?

Thank you all very much!

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 03:31 AM
My quesitons on Cuba:

How much would a plane ticket from North Mexico be?
How can a vegetarian fare there?
Are there shortages of any basic needs?
How can someone who knows no Spanish fare there?
Are the people suspicious of Americans?
Is it possible to meet Castro? If you have media ties, maybe?
What sorts of places are there to see as a tourist?
How much money would I need to take to be there for a week?

Thank you all very much!
-I dunno how much it would cost from Mexico...i went from South America
-Im pretty sure you can get vegetarian food there...(but you'd be missing out on some realy good lobster)
- No shortages of basic stuff, but they seem to have trouble getting soap products for some reason...so you might want to take your own soap, shampoo, shaving cream.
- Well i guess you're gonna have to learn spanish...because if not, you wont be able to talk to ordinary people...and that's the most interesting aspect (at least for me it was)
- No, there not suspicious, but they'll ask you for dollars!!!! (they love dollars...even though they hate the american govt)
- No foreigner can meet Castro man!! He never sleeps on the same bed twice...he's always mooving around, it will be very very very hard to meet him...even if you've got media ties!
- As a tourist you visit cigar factorie/plantations, sugar plantations, old spanish colonial buildings and towns (like trinidad), you can go to Santa Clara and see the massive statue of CHE (HASTA SIEMPRE), plenty of other stuff to do!
-I dunno about the money :( , my travel agent took care of that for me...maybe some elese knows?...

[Commie Girl]

:) We had our wedding in Cuba in June '04, was marvelous and amazing country. We made friends with some Cuban families, went to their homes....didnt meet anyone who hated the government, they are just wondering why the US treats them so badly when all they want is self-determination! Anyone we talked to was well educated, happy and healthy, all peole have a basic minimum standard of living. You can visit our webiste for further info! (http://www.rdab.ca/cuba)

Get out, meet the people! I speak French and english, but did manage to communicate with our Cuban friends....just took a bit of imagination and work!



You can also view the film Comandante on our webite, it is at the bottom of the page of Video Clips

[Red Heretic]

More questions!:

Can you get a translator?
Would it be difficult to fly out of Mexico?
What is the penatly if I get caught?

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 11:14 AM
More questions!:

Can you get a translator?
Would it be difficult to fly out of Mexico?
What is the penatly if I get caught?
Dont know about a translator, people we know hired a Cuban as a tour guide for the day to get around Havana. I am sure you could find someone, these people are extremely friendly, trustworthy and helpful. We rented a car for a day to go to Havana and around the countryside, also rented Scooters, that was a blast! The roads are very safe and in excellent condition. We were not harrassed by the Policia or anything, they were actually very helpful when we were lost or trying to get out of a traffic circle!

I am positive you could fly out of Mexico. As for penalties, the Cubans will not stamp your passport unless you ask them to, which we did, being Canadaian and all. So, the U$ government need never know you were there!

Good Luck! You can PM me if you need more info.

[RedAnarchist]

Probably the best way to find out about Cuba bar going there is to think the opposite of what America says about Cuba :D

[Vallegrande]

Cuba seems, in American eyes, to be collapsing. At least that's what happens when we read these newspapers and such that keep looking at the negative aspects, perhaps even distorting and blowing the information out of proportion.

Think about it... the U.S. government has its mind set to collapse the cuban government. That's why there has been a trade embargo for decades now. And now recently, Cuban-Americans aren't allowed to visit Cuba like they used to.

I suggest checking out updates on "The Greening of Cuba", which has been improving the lives of everyone in Cuba.
www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d1003rs.htm

Wanna know why some Cubans are "escaping" Cuba? Because they are capitalists, and don't believe in sharing the wealth of the land.

[bolshevik butcher]

according to the U$ cuba been collapsing for 40years.

[Orange Juche]

Originally posted by Fidelbrand+Nov 22 2004, 11:57 AM--> (Fidelbrand @ Nov 22 2004, 11:57 AM)
[email protected] 23 2004, 12:38 AM
Id love to experience Cuba myself, but I cant, because Americas stupid fucking laws on going there.
Fly through Canada or Mexio.
The Cuban officers might ask you whether you want to have a chop on your passport when you are there, sometimes they don't even ask as they don't chop your passport for your benefit.
My grandma lives in Canada, i think i'll go after my graduation.http://www.morethanwords.it/studenti/calshop/musik3.gif [/b]
Thanks for the idea. Maybe after college Ill go, eh?

[Red Heretic]

Commie girl, your site is absolutly INCREDIBLE!

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

Cuba my be considered to be poor but it is not really if u actually live there we have most of things that are available in the rest of the world (media wise that is) our country only seems to be a third world nation from the out side because of things with little importants things such as minor cosmetic building restoration and paint, and new cars, have to take back seat to make important thing such as top rate education, healthcare, science programs, sports facility’s and training , the arts and programs that have eliminated homelessness can flourish and be given to the people. I love Cuba with all my heart and I’m planning to move back for university. I encourage every one (especially you Americans:D ) to visit even if it is for a short time because Cuba is the kind of place where the moment you step off the airplane you will be engulfed with smells, tastes, sounds and breathtaking sites that dreams are made of ... pulse the beautiful women don’t hurt :lol:

[refuse_resist]

The only reason why you hear all this negetive stuff about Cuba is because the U.S. government is on a crusade in doing whatever it can to try and make Cuba look bad, as well as trying to get people to defect from the country and live in America. They know that by doing this they'll try to make it look like it's not a good place to live in and that people are wanting to come here instead of wanting to be over there. I believe it was right after Batista was overthrown, the U.S. had this policy called "we must not allow another Cuba" or something like that, because they didn't want other leftist governments coming to power in Latin America or other parts of the world, as it was only obvious.

I've actually talked to quite a few people that have been to Cuba or have relatives there and they said it really isn't as bad as America says it is. If it wasn't for the trade embargo, it would probably be better than it is now.

They've had lots of different ways of waging this all out psychological war on the people of Cuba. Good thing they have been fairly unsuccessful too, most of the Cubans know what's going on and won't buy all that yankee propaganda. Recently this book came out on all the de-classified files the government made public about all the different methods they used to make Cuba look bad. I want to check it out myself.

Cuba looks so nice though, I really would like to go there. :D

[The Dead Guevara]

What I think about Cuba? Well...

The main reason Cuba is very poor is not because of Castro, it's because of the USA and their commercial-block. Public opinion on Castro and Cuba has been mutillated by northamerican worm propaganda, and the "campaña de difamación" that the US does to all countries that opposses them.

I am strongly pro-Fidel, and I think that Cuba is much better in some areas than in the US, as well as it is worse than the US on OTHER areas (economically). But mostly the reasons why they are in a bad situation economically, is because of the U.S.