ATTENTION CANADIANS!!! IMPORTANT!

[Spartacus2002]

Canadian Comrades,

The United Snake's of Amerikkka's Commander and Thief will be here on the 30th we must protest his presence in our country and make sure he knows that he is not welcome in our country. We must show up. If you are able you must make it to Ottawa in order to show this capitalist swine pig son of a ***** that canadians hate him. If anyones knows any specifics of where the protests will be congregated please post the information here because i need it. Thank You.

Comrade Spartacus

[ComradeChris]

I live about 6 hours away. But would love to part take in the protest of any repukelican.

[Wiesty]

no can do comrade. i hate bush just as much as any other leftie but im 13 and live in s.k. so it be like a day and a half drive.
i heard he was coming,
tell me how it turns out

[STI]

I doubt I'll be able to go. The notice is just too short for the 4-hour trip I'd have to make. I'd have to borrow the car, but whatever. I'll ask, but no counting-on-ness.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 09:03 PM
I doubt I'll be able to go. The notice is just too short for the 4-hour trip I'd have to make. I'd have to borrow the car, but whatever. I'll ask, but no counting-on-ness.
:lol: I think I might be taking the bus. Either that or forcing my girlfriend to drive me. Man I love bumming rides :P .

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

If somebody will loan me $50 . . .

[cormacobear]

it takes like 4 days on th bus. My wife already said no.

I'm sure the people of Ottawa will do us proud and put on a wonderfull protest. And their is usually plenty of busloads from Torornto for something like this.
Once the hype over the Grey cup ends this will get more press.

[Guest]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:57 PM
it takes like 4 days on th bus. My wife already said no.

I'm sure the people of Ottawa will do us proud and put on a wonderfull protest. And their is usually plenty of busloads from Torornto for something like this.
Once the hype over the Grey cup ends this will get more press.
I still want to go...I'll supply the eggs...wait this is a peaceful protest right? :lol:

[ComradeChris]

Wait, that last post was by me. I thought I was signed in. I went to other sub-forums and posted without logging in... :unsure:

[STI]

Either that or forcing my girlfriend to drive me

Ah, the beautiful man-woman relationship :lol:

[Latifa]

If I were a filthy-rich capitalist prick I'd take the 24 hour flight to help out. But I'm poor. So no.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 19 2004, 06:49 PM
If somebody will loan me $50 . . .

If somebody will loan me $50 . . .

dude! just go and walk to malls tell the people behind a courtesy desk that the coke machine ate your tooney do it enough times you'll have fifty bucks and you rip off coke, me and my buddy did that then went out for pizza and movies it was good, seriously you all have to be there we gotta yell at bush and get teargassed and stuff

[headspace]

I live about 5 hours away from Ottawa and I&#39;m gonna be there for sure. Just need to try get some fellow comrades to join me, but they&#39;re all being wimps. <_<

[STI]

If my parents let me use the van, I&#39;ll be able to bring up to 6 other people with me (and they&#39;ll all have ample footroom :P ). It&#39;s just a matter of getting my ass over there.

[STI]

Can you provide more info. about it (where, what time, etc.)

[Strange]

Unfortunatly living in British Columbia it makes it difficult for me to get myself back east... But good luck to you my friend.

[New Tolerance]

Forunately for me, I LIVE IN OTTAWA (the parliament is only 45 minutes away), prehaps I will go to the protest just to meet some of you people... heheheheh.

So, how am I supposed to recognize you people?

[STI]

If I&#39;m able to go, I&#39;ll PM you with the clothes I&#39;ll be wearing (or not wearing ;) )

[cormacobear]

It&#39;s november I&#39;d go with wearing

[STI]

So, no details?

[STI]

I searched for info. on the protest, but didn&#39;t find much. Couldn&#39;t find it on protest.net, and a google search found only this:

Smoke-In on Parliament Hill (http://cannabisculture.com/articles/4069.html).

I&#39;d really appreciate it if anyone had any more info. on this.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 20 2004, 10:02 PM
Forunately for me, I LIVE IN OTTAWA (the parliament is only 45 minutes away), prehaps I will go to the protest just to meet some of you people... heheheheh.

So, how am I supposed to recognize you people?
I&#39;m the guy who has a hair cut like Serj from System of a Down :P .

[no_logo]

http://www.en-camino.org/bush/

all the info is there... if you want to reserve spaces on the busses from montreal though, it has to be done before tomorrow evening. If you&#39;re a student it&#39;s only 5&#036;... so hurry up and get reserved to bash that bush *****.

[STI]

Thanks. Great find. I think I&#39;ll end up taking the bus (turns out I have a bit more money than I thought). I might even try to make it for the Palestine dealie on the 29th. We&#39;ll see, either way.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

At &#036;5 for a day in Ottawa (Bus from Montreal), I might ust check it out, depending on school-obligations.

[STI]

I&#39;ve determined that I&#39;m definately going with at least 1 friend, if only for the 30th. I hope to take the earliest possible bus on the morning of the Monday so I can get there in time for the Palestine demo, split a shitty hotel room with whoever I go with, and be there for teh Bush protest on the Tuesday.

[ComradeChris]

I think people at my university are sending people up. Hopefully I can hitch a ride up with them.

[heynameless]

Well, sadly -
1) I go to school. I would skip, but
2) It&#39;s four hours away. I would drive but
3) I don&#39;t have a car, nor hand eye coordination (meaning no license). I could ask the parental authorities but
4) They are PRO Bush.
So I&#39;m a bit stuck.

Someone tell me how that goes&#33;

[Commie Girl]

[SIZE=7]Hello Comrades&#33; This is for all the westerners, there is a protest in Calgary on November 30&#33;

[STI]

I heard that Bush wasn&#39;t going to end up coming. Probably nonsense, though I can&#39;t be sure. Any details?

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 01:06 AM
I heard that Bush wasn&#39;t going to end up coming. Probably nonsense, though I can&#39;t be sure. Any details?
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...fax_041124.html (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/24/Bush-Halifax_041124.html)

The pussy is too afraid of being booed&#33; He&#39;s going to Halifax instead now.
Holy crap, does he not have one single ounce of integrity?
Be assured, we will still march. I&#39;m only much, much more pissed now.

I guess the yellow-bellied bastard was sick of getting rioted against in Chile and wanting a more quiant vacation in the Atlantic.
To all of my comrades in Ottawa and all of you across the country who plan on joining us: let&#39;s show the world exactly what the little shit was afraid of. Shout louder and march heavier--he&#39;ll have to hear us all the way in the Maritimes now. Make him think twice about visiting ANYWHERE in Canada again.
Let&#39;s raise some transcontinental shit.

[STI]

Nice post.

I was thinking I&#39;d have to stay home on the 30th, but now I know it&#39;s more important than ever.

I&#39;ll look for some stuff about the Halifax protest as well.

[ComradeChris]

I know the Liberals just raised tariffs on US goods. So we&#39;re doing our best to ensure an invasion :lol: .

[Guest1]

Whoever is coming to ottawa, we need to meet up, me and molotov cocktail, no_logo, possibly even Zombie and a few others will be comingup from montreal.

We must meet up and get together for this.

[STI]

Well, what time does your bus get to Ottawa?

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Just for the record, he will be in Ottawa for a day. He had originally intended to stay for two days and speak in Parliament, but since he was afraid of being booed in the Assembly he&#39;s speaking in Halifax instead (where or why I can only guess).
However, he will still be joining us on the 30th and he will be dining at the Museum of Civilization; my step-sister&#39;s school is across from the Museum and it&#39;s going to be evacuated for the day.

I hope all of you out-of-towners are still coming.

[STI]

Yep. I&#39;m stilll coming. Just bought my bus ticket. Now I&#39;m off to book a hotel room.

[Guest1]

Ok everyone, if you see someone with a tied beard (alternating black and red bands), che-like dark brown hair, a reddish goatee, a communist flag/cape, a che beret, know that it is me&#33;

See you there&#33;

[STI]

kk. I&#39;ll keep an eye out for you.

I&#39;ll be wearing a leather-sleeved football jacket (&#33;), or a navy-blue-and-red pullover-type thing. Awexome afro, and a cheap goatee.

[Wiesty]

sorry kinda late news, the local news said he&#39;ll also be visiting halifax

[Felicia]

FORGET OTTAWA&#33;

HALIFAX&#33;

He&#39;s here in Halifax thanking us for excepting diverted flights after 9/11.

Protesters will be meeting in Parade Square where we&#39;ll walk to Pier 21 to continue Protesting. At Pier 21, Bush is expected to give a speech to about 300 invited persons.......and we&#39;ll be outside :D

Brad, you&#39;re going to hate missing this one&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Finally something of any decent proportion is happening in this dinky little city, and you&#39;re off in Montreal (the place where halagonians think is "where it is" and it&#39;s a little reversed) Honestly, I think Bush would be scared to go to Montreal :lol:

[Felicia]

ok, give me details people&#33;

Those of you who attended the protests in Ottawa Yesterday..............TELL ME ABOUT IT&#33;

I&#39;ll tell you about the Hali protest later :D

[STI]

My &#39;memoirs&#39; of the Ottawa protest are in the CC (in CYM&#39;s thread).

It kicked 8oz. of ass&#33; (and that&#39;s a lot)

[Comrade Marcel]

Greetings Comrades,

I returned from Ottawa last night around 6:30 PM and was much to exhausted to type anything at that time.

As I mentioned in my previous e-mail, I went on Monday morning and arrived in Ottawa on Monday afternoon. Most people however went on the Tuesday. It was good to see so many familiar faces, in total I must have bumped into over 50 familiar faces and at least 15 people who I know well enough to call Comrade. There was also 4 Young Left members in Ottawa, including myself.

I also got to meet many comrades for the first time, especially from CPC-ML and PQC-ML.

Here is how the events, from my prospective, unfolded:

Monday: After getting off the bus, we walked over to the welcome centre which was set up on the University of Ottawa campus. We got info there, and tried to find out about billeting for the night, but it seemed though this was not availble yet.

We went to the Palestinian solidarity demo, which was very militant and loud. Some of Toronto&#39;s most militant people were there, and some peeps from Montreal as well such as Jaggi.

After that, some of us returned to the welcome centre, as there was not much to do. I was with a Comrade from M-L who drove me back. At the welcome centre, we ate some hummos and pita, and drank juice. I met some Comrades from North Bay, and we where both suprised to find out that we frequent the same online message board che-lives.com.

I started getting bored and decided to walk around the city. It surprised me to see how multicultural Ottawa is, I guess I just thought it wouldn&#39;t be. They have nothing but buses there to travel on, which seem to be always packed, and it costs &#036;2.60 to get on so I just walked everywhere. There was military personal everywhere. I went to the Rideu Centre which is sort of like a miniture Yorkdale and began to get depresed so I stopped into the LCBO for a bottle of Vodka.

It took me about 30 minutes to find the damn store.

Anyways, eventually I went back to the welcome centre, but I couldn&#39;t drink in there so I just ate more hummus and made a few phone calls until it was time for a meeting which involved preparations for tommorow.

I sat with M-L Comrades, and introduced myself as a Young Left Comrade during the meeting introductions, and many people came from different organizations, including OCAP, I.S., PGA, The Dope Poets Society, and others.

I fell asleep for most of the meeting, which was manly stuff for the organizers of the march to be concerned with, and I was a little repusled hearing about some of the collaberation some were ingaging in with police.

Still not finding out about billeting, asked about it, and myself and another Comrade ended up staying at one of the organizer&#39;s house, named Karl, which was kind of cold (he had electric heating and was probably saving money) but had beds with blankets. He even cooked us eggs, soup with potatoes, and served pita with beef salami and cheese. However, he was Muslim so I couldn&#39;t drink my Vodka.

We watched the news and went to sleep around 12:00 AM.

Tuesday: Got up at 6:30 ish AM.

We went with our new Comrade Karl to a Church to help with preparing a huge vegan stew. However, there was too many people in the kitchen at that time, so my comrade and myself went and caught some wireless access (how I sent my previous e-mail) from outside of some building, then grabbed a &#036;3.99 breakfast at a local diner, where you everday average Jane and Joe sat talking about the Bush visit, we eagerly listened as we heard nothing but negative comments about Bush, calling him things like a "well dressed terrorist".

Driving around the city, there was cops everywhere, almost on every corner. One McDonalds was border up completely and painted black to the point that it was almost unrecognizeable, except for a small sign. Media reports on the car radio said that cops from Toronto and other cities came to "help out". O.P.P., RCMP, CSIS, and Secret Service agents where also out and about.

We went back to the church to replace some people, and began peeling garlic clove after garlic clove, for about 90 minutes, before we left for the Youth assembly back on the U of O campus, there I met up with more M-L Comrades.

The youth rally than marched over to the main rally, which assembled at City hall. I linked up with the Comrades from the McMaster Socialist Crew in Hamilton, The Ontario YCL, KWYC, and some young comrades who are supporters of RCP. I also saw Saroj Bains and Sandra Smith.

The main rally was excellent, and had thousands of people, estimates ranging from from 8,000 to 80,000. but I think there was atleast 30,000 there. It was huge.

We marched to Parliament Hill. Shitty Chants included: "Bush out now&#33;", "Say no to Bush&#33;", and "U.S. out of Canada". There as a lot of "regular" folk there and so there was Canadian Nationalism (not as in white nationalism) and a lot of Canadian flags.

The good chants included: "U.S. Imperialist, No. 1 Terrorist", "Yankee out&#33;", "Pro-Imperialist NDP, running dogs of the bourgeoisie&#33;" (Sparts did that one), "From Iraq [ Grassy Narrows | Haiti | Afghanistan | Sudan ] to Palestine, Occupation is a crime&#33;", "Troops out now&#33;" "Bush is covered in Baghdads blood&#33;".

After, the more militan contingent organized by the PGA bloc split off so that we could march to the Hotel were Bush was staying. Led by a truck with D from Dope Poets Society on top spittin&#39; out lyrics, we got to the police barracades, and I knew things were about to get thick. I joined in and helped bring that shit down. Though we got through a layer of barracades (and chased away a few pigs) we where met by riot cops who we clashed with a bit (and injured one quite nicely) until it was time to fall back. A few peeps got arrested, and hit with paint.

We then did a monuever around to a different area. The two Comrades I was with had to leave back to Toronto, so I caught up with some M-L comrades and the barracades we came to where protected by riot cops already. I went up to the front, and after telling some petty-bourgoeis girls, who where shouting some ridiculous pascifist slogans, to shut their fucking mouths, I began to kick the barracades, and some others joined in. The riot cops immediately swung at us, and they even threatened us with rubber bullet guns. I think they wanted to intimidate militant people in crowd.

Eventually Bush went by at some point, but I had to move back from the barracades before that, as my Comrades called me back.

Eventually, we started to march again, this time to a new barracade, and I stayed behind with some Comrades to get some things out of a car. Later we went back to Parliament Hill for a crappy "vigil" with candels and other stupid shit. After induring 90 minutes of that utter nonsense, another march organizerd by the PGA bloc was led towards the mueseum of civilization were Bush was scheduled to dine on shrimps with lobster, steak, and squash, and other over indulgent decandence and luxury.

We marched all the way to Hull, Quebec and got to very close, knocking over barracades after barracades like playing cards, and making the pigs fall back. We mad eit passed the Scott tissue plant, and were finally stopped by a crazy amnount of riot police.

After marhcing for about 6 and a half hours, and being on my feet for over 8 hours, myself and Comrade were exhausted so we headed back, as the action was no longer progressing and some people were just sitting in the road.

I went back with a Comrade to the welcome centre, now at the OPIRG-UO office, where there was some vegan pita sandwiches that tasted exactly like the stew I helped make earlier.

I called up a comrade on her cell and hooked up with her and another comrade and we went out for a beer, and then back to the same united church to sleep for the night where (finally) we drank some of that Vodka I was waiting for.

We passed out on the floor of the gym with about 5 others around 2 or 3 in the morning.

Wednesday: Awoke around 6:30 AM to find most people gone. Apparently there was some sort of action at the hotel, which we missed.

We went to city hall, had a short rally, and were left with a few hours to kill so we went to the new welcom centre, now located above the Agora bookstore. There we just chatted and watched footage from various people&#39;s cameras/laptops.

Around 11:30 AM we headed back to city hall for the busses. By this time, there was about 15 cm of good snow on the ground, and my feet and socks soaked; the last thing I did in Ottawa was get in a snowball fight with other people from Toronto, mostly anarchists.

The busride home was cool, with various comrades playing the guitar and singing on the way, and me enjoying the buzz of gravol, codein, and acetominophen which I took to quell the hangover from the night before.

-MR

Onward with the formation of the Rebel Youth Network&#33;

All power to the youth&#33;

http://www.rebelyouth.ca

[STI]

Pro-Imperialist NDP, running dogs of the bourgeoisie&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol: I love that one&#33; Didn&#39;t hear it, but it rocks&#33;

Good to have seen you, CM.

[BOZG]

Gotta love the Sparts.

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 10:48 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: I love that one&#33; Didn&#39;t hear it, but it rocks&#33;

Good to have seen you, CM.
Yes, it was good to meet you.

We should keep in touch, and in the future you can come down to Toronto when we have events here. In 2005, we will be hosting the North American ARA summit, and I am sure there will be other things coming up.

Unfortunately, I doubt I&#39;ll ever go to your town, as you said it&#39;s a bit of a hole ;), but if I ever do I&#39;ll be sure to ring you up, Comrade&#33;

-MR

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 10:58 PM
Gotta love the Sparts.
Yes, there like the ones you love to hate&#33; :D

[Comrade Marcel]

There is some excellent photos and reportage here. (http://cpcml.ca/tmld/D34197.htm#1)

Also see the Ottawa Indymedia centre (http://ottawa.indymedia.ca/en/2004/11/174.shtml).

[Comrade Marcel]

Here is a picture of me at the demo in solidarity with Palestinians on Monday..

[STI]

2005, we will be hosting the North American ARA summit, and I am sure there will be other things coming up.


*When* in 2005 are we talking about here?

[BOZG]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 3 2004, 02:00 AM
Yes, there like the ones you love to hate&#33; :D
I actually quite like the Sparts. :P

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 01:59 AM

2005, we will be hosting the North American ARA summit, and I am sure there will be other things coming up.


*When* in 2005 are we talking about here?
I think it&#39;s july. Send me an e-mail - [email protected] - and I will let you know when I find out.

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by BOZG+Dec 7 2004, 07:40 PM--> (BOZG @ Dec 7 2004, 07:40 PM)
Comrade [email protected] 3 2004, 02:00 AM
Yes, there like the ones you love to hate&#33; :D
I actually quite like the Sparts. :P [/b]
This is a true story:

I ran out of toliet paper the other day, and I used the same copy of the Worker&#39;s Vanguard that I bought in Ottawa to wipe my ass&#33;

But on another note, I agree with a lot of the Sparts positions except 3 major things:

1.) Stalin (and thus a whole other can of worms)
2.) Age of consent (they are wacky on this)
3.) Their cult like behaviour and practices

[BOZG]

1) Of course the Stalin thing is going to quite a decisive issue for you

2) I can see their point to some extent but there are very clear phsyical and emotional inabilities which they don&#39;t accept. There&#39;s always a possibility that with human evolution such things could change but not right now.

3) As I raised in another thread, I do not believe that they are cult like in anyway. Any revolutionary recognises the need for democratic centralism and party discipline but their methods of how to create a strong, unified revolutionary party (which I disagree with) do lead to an authoritarian image and internal life.

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 04:10 PM
3) As I raised in another thread, I do not believe that they are cult like in anyway. Any revolutionary recognises the need for democratic centralism and party discipline but their methods of how to create a strong, unified revolutionary party (which I disagree with) do lead to an authoritarian image and internal life.

They take it WAY beyond this, for instance they move people away from their hometown so that they will be away from family and focus more only politics.

Also, they charge insane dues, and do things like "proletarianization" (put petty-bourgeois kids to work in factories).

Lastly, I used to talk to one guy in the Sparts a lot, and he actually stopped talking to me because I got "too friendly" with him (and it&#39;s not like I wanted to fuck him or something, I just thought he was cool even though I disagreed with him poltically and wanted him to hang out).

[BOZG]

I wouldn&#39;t disagree completely with your first point. I know that there was only one Spart from Ireland in their Irish section, the rest were from abroad but that is the case with many organisations. I know the founder of the Irish section (who&#39;s now left the SL) and he&#39;s never told me anything about people being forced to leave their hometowns but people who had shown an interest in moving. Though I would say that an &#39;interest&#39; can be manipulated.

I actually thought their dues would be quite low. The Irish section is quite small so I would assume a lot is expected of the members here financially. Their material to buy is usually very cheap and their subscriptions are the same. I get an absolute wealth of material from them for €10 (CAN&#036; 15) a year.

I&#39;ve never heard of this &#39;proletarianization&#39; idea, do you know any articles about it?

About the guy you used to talk to, the LO in France is meant to be even worse than that attitude. Internally, the membership is encouraged to be overly dedicated to the point that members are discouraged from sleeping with other members during national meetings, people are discouraged from having kids because it would limit their involvement in the party etc.