North Korea

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

Is it true? Are the North Koreans doing medical experiments on women and children? Is this American propoganda or not.? Also is it O.K. to imprison families for 3 generations for anti-government crimes? This TV show I saw said that they were feeding chemical weapons laced lettuce to women prisoners. They also said that they were gassing whole families. A former camp guard said he tortured and killed people on a daily basis. He also said that the guards would stomp on newborn babies. Is this stuff true or not. I know this is not happening in Cuba. Is this cruel stuff really necessary in a Communist society? Any thoughts?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

North Korea is not a communist society. It is a militarist-death-camp-nightmare. American propaganda is, naturally, exagerated - but North Korea is one fucked up little nation state. It does exist within a context, and there are objective conditions to consider, but, really - fuck wrapping up violence in a cloak of socialism. Kim and Co. aren't worth playing apologist for.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

The show I watched was "North Korea - Access to Evil"

It was on the Discovery Time channel. So if anyone watched this show and wants to comment on North Korea then feel free to post something.

Personally, I could care less if North Korea is Communist or not. However, seeing
women and children being tortured and used for experiments bothers me.

It seems Mr. Kim is an embarassment to Communists everywhere. If he is Communist which the last poster said he was not.

Now some people may admire North Korea for standing up to the USA. Well, that
is admirable. However, torture and medical experiments are not.
If the North Koreans would end the human rights abuses then they would get more
sympathy from more people across the world. How can Communists try to defend his regime? It does not make sense to be this cruel. Why not just kill the political prisoners? Why keep them alive in rehabiliation camps for 3 generations. Do you think they can change them? Heck no. They and thier offspring are going to hate them even worse.

The only way you convert someone to a political philosophy or religion is to be nice to them. History has proven that. The Russians could not convert the Poles and the Brits could not convert the Irish. Why? Because they cruel to them and took thier land.

However, it is useless to talk to North Korea. They will not admit the whole truth.
Yes, it's true. America is an imperalist power. But it is also true that North Korea tortures political prisoners. Anyways, does anyone have any other thoughts?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 15 2004, 09:19 AM
It is a militarist-death-camp-nightmare.
So was every other communist state. What do you expect when individual rights go out of the window ?

[Danton]

What about Guantanamo bay or Abu Gharib or whatever it's called, militrist death camp nightmares sanctioned by the free people of America..

[cormacobear]

and if that was going on at abu graib, you can bet it was going on in all the other US prisons there.

why should we let the US play world police if the cops are dirty. No american would tolerate a police force, that thought it was above the law, and took bribes

[Danton]

Right, whatever these Lettuce lacing freaks are up to you can bet a yank invented it... Like they invented plane hijackings...

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

What about Guantanamo bay or Abu Gharib or whatever it's called, militrist death camp nightmares sanctioned by the free people of America..

They (the Americans) are not feeding the prisoners chemical weapons. They are not putting whole families in gas chambers while white coated doctors watch them die like rats. Abu Gharib was bad but not that bad. Also, there are no kids at the American camps. I'm not sure about women being there.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

Right, whatever these Lettuce lacing freaks are up to you can bet a yank invented it... Like they invented plane hijackings...

Oh, so that makes it O.K. to use people as lab rats. (note sarcasm)

I admit the Americans did feed radioactive stuff to mentally challanged kids during the Cold War. However, we are talking about now not 50 years ago.
Mr Kim is making Communists everywhere look bad. All this stuff he is doing is not necessary. He should just do what Castro is doing.

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:52 AM
They (the Americans) are not feeding the prisoners chemical weapons. They are not putting whole families in gas chambers while white coated doctors watch them die like rats. Abu Gharib was bad but not that bad. Also, there are no kids at the American camps. I'm not sure about women being there.
They feed the chemical weapons to their own soldiers.
They kill whole familes with bombs not gas.
Abu Gharib was that bad - the torture was Islam specific, not since the SS have we seen such perverted scenes.
There are young teens in Guantanamo bay and women are held in Iraq.

I'm not condoning these sicko Koreans but I doubt there is much evidence and know the U.S is capable of much of the same if not worse.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

So was every other communist state. What do you expect when individual rights go out of the window ?


Cuba does not have North Korean style camps. The wierd stuff is unique to
the DPRK. Kim Jong Ill is a sick dude by the standards of most people.

Cuba has camps but they don't use people as lab rats. They don't keep kids at those camps.

Individual rights?? Communism cannot succeed in nations that allow individual rights. The goal of Communists is stamp out opposition. Otherwise, the opposition will destroy Communism. Communism is not a political philosophy like democrat or republican. It's a total way of life.

Anyways, Americans can say whatever they want. However, the pocket book will
determine thier real freedom and individual rights.

Let's say your boss puts your food on the table. Then he says "I want to make out with your wife.". You think he is a creep. But, in the end, the boss will get what he wants.

People with money are free in America. Money determines one's amount of freedom. Also, it determines the foriegn and domestic government policies.

The ruling class has money. Therefore, it can buy politicians that favor it's
agenda. The ruling class uses racism, homophobia and religion to pursuade
voters to vote for mainstream politicians.

Anyways, it takes money to run ads for a campaign. Who has money? The ruling class. So what do you expect? Of course the media will promote mainstream candidates. The American people will only see ads for mainstream politicians.
So naturally they will only vote for mainstream politicians. They will vote for
bourgeoise liberals or conservatives. Either way, capitalism wins !
Also, the whole American society has been brainwashed by the ruling class for generations.
It's very difficult to change that. They believe in this all American "Leave it to Beaver" society. Why do you think they re-elected GW?

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

They feed the chemical weapons to their own soldiers.
They kill whole familes with bombs not gas.
Abu Gharib was that bad - the torture was Islam specific, not since the SS have we seen such perverted scenes.
There are young teens in Guantanamo bay and women are held in Iraq.

I'm not condoning these sicko Koreans but I doubt there is much evidence and know the U.S is capable of much of the same if not worse.

I know it's a sad situation on both sides. It's too bad innocent Iraqis and North Koreans will have to suffer because of these war pigs.

Maybe one day these war pigs will get what they deserve like on the Ozzy Osbourne song.

"No more war pigs have the power... Begging mercies for thier sins. Satan laughing spreads his wings.."

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Son, do you know what you're talking about?


Individual rights?? Communism cannot succeed in nations that allow individual rights.

According to Marx (da big Man) Communism can best develop in countries with good education system and a certain degree of freedom of speech.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

According to Marx (da big Man) Communism can best develop in countries with good education system and a certain degree of freedom of speech.

Americans are well educated. How come Communism has not developed here?

Americans have a certain degree of freedom speech but Communism has not developed here.

I was talking about when the revolutionaries take over the government. How can they allow opposition? It's not like Democrat vs Republican. You are talking about Communists vs people that absolutely hate Communists. Anyways a government with opposition cannot get anything done. The Communists could not change society. Thier legislation would be blocked in the congress. Or in another scenario,
they would have a few years of Communist change
(with a Communist majority) and then the opposition would
take over and ruin everything.

It just won't work. Anyways, the opposition would
never cooperate with Communists in a western style "democracy". The opposition would use the CIA and other reactionaries to destroy the Marxists. Now if the USA
did not exist then maybe the Communists could allow opposition parties.

[Osman Ghazi]

So was every other communist state. What do you expect when individual rights go out of the window ?


Actually, Cuba is probably the exception to that. Only 5000 people died in the Cuban Revolution and not even that many since have died, which, though regrettable, is trifling when you consider that the Americans have killed almost 100,000 in the 20 months they've been in Iraq.

But hey, what do you expect when the 'individual rights' of Americans are put before the lives of Iraqis?

[KickMcCann]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:26 AM

I was talking about when the revolutionaries take over the government. How can they allow opposition?
I think my fellow comrades need to lose their cowardice over individual rights, opposition groups, and free speech. If we are in power and do things right, any potential oppostion groups will have a very weak base of support in the population; thus we have nothing to fear of free speech and opposition. And if communists were to achieve power in a nation and they considerably fucked up (DPRK), they have no right to be in power anyway, because all they will succeed at doing is give communism and socialism a bad name.
You can't be afraid of criticism because it keeps you on your toes and makes sure you are doing things right. And the biggest threat is usually external anyway. The USSR might have turned out alot differently had not the USA and Europe invaded Russia once the WW1 was over with. But that is expected and should be prepared for after any successful revolution.

[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:26 AM

Americans are well educated. How come Communism has not developed here?

Americans have a certain degree of freedom speech but Communism has not developed here.

Americans are well educated. How come Communism has not developed here?
Ehhh.... not true
Americans have a certain degree of freedom speech but Communism has not developed here.

REALLY? Where is this now?

C'mon. You know thats bullshit.

[Yazman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 05:52 PM
They (the Americans) are not feeding the prisoners chemical weapons. They are not putting whole families in gas chambers while white coated doctors watch them die like rats.
No they're not, but these are all things they (the Americans) have done within the past 60 years. The difference is that the USA has done A LOT MORE horrible things, such as the tuskagee experiment, things that not even an authoritarian hellhole like North Korea has done.

[Maynard]

I don't know about the human experimentation. I don't think there has been any conclusive proof on the issue. "Defectors" are usually the most unreliable of sources and are sometimes offered money and asylum for their families if they offer information, which usually turns out to be false. As what happened with Iraqi exiles and as can be seen with Cuban exiles. I would treat those claims with scepticism. That is not to say North Korea is a workers paradise, I agree with VMC on the issue there.
I don't think it has to do anything with American propaganda, they haven't really pushed that line, as of yet. I have no doubt that they would though in the future.



Also is it O.K. to imprison families for 3 generations for anti-government crimes?
I don't think you need to ask that.



However, seeing
women and children being tortured and used for experiments bothers me.
Did they actually show the torture or the experiments ?



How can Communists try to defend his regime?
I don't know of many that do and none in this thread so far.


Americans are well educated. How come Communism has not developed here?
He said "best" not will. The United States has generally had a more individualistic economic than a lot of other countries and has traditionally been very hostile to any sort of collectiviatism. It really depends though on what sort of an "education" you get though. Education in the United States and elsewhere, is more about people getting the right grades to get the right job, rather than learning itself. I think it is much more important to be able to think critically, than to spend 15 years in school.


We shouldn't point out the crimes of the United States though, in every thread, so as to make it not seem as bad if other countries do it. Moral relativism is getting to be a problem on the left. There is much more tyranny in the world, than just that perpetuated by the United States.

[Fidelbrand]

I don't think you need to ask that.

It's a hermit kingdom run like a monarchy, how can he not ask such a question? :D


Did they actually show the torture or the experiments ?
I saw a Chinese programme showing a woman's leg hit to deformed. No bull. Of course, some of us might like to say that she use a club to hit her own leg, if so, i have nothing to say. Yes, she looks decent and innocent, even said she loved her country, but she can still be paid, right?

I would say that Cuba is being stigmatised by the Western capitalist media, but for N .Korea... to a much less unfair extent.

As far as i remember:

1)Women in jails are raped, when they have babies, they are forced to work stressfully in order for the baby to be killed inside their body~
2)People who wish to flee to S.Korea or China , if caught and sent back , is severely tortured in prisons, and the whole family has to suffer because of this criminal.
3)Nuclear advancements........ but people are starving and dieing... 1 million people has died because of starving.
4)A N.Korean boy who fled to china is now studying in a Chinese Korean Schoool, he talked a lot about how people died eating tree trunks in the country-side.
5)Kim jong il jailed babies born in threes because his advisor told him that these triplets is a threat to his throne (superficial shit). A hospital is built in a rural area with 2 miles of the site heavily guarded by the military. These triplets are tortured and made crazy.... The UN documented this alleged human disaster in 1999.

I saw and hear all these from a documentary from HK, these information are provided by a voluntary organization which comprised of N.Koreans who have eye-witnessed or expereinced these mis-happenings.

For your reference, this is another thread which many of the comrades has threw their 2 cents on DPRK:

link1 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29783&hl=dprk)
link2 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29614&hl=dprk)
link3 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23788&hl=)
link 4 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28158&hl=)

and I love this quote from little Kim:
" I know I'm an object of criticism in the world, but if I am being talked about, I must be doing the right things." Kim il sung.

[Maynard]

I saw a Chinese programme showing a woman's leg hit to deformed. No bull. Of course, some of us might like to say that she use a club to hit her own leg, if so, i have nothing to say. Yes, she looks decent and innocent, even said she loved her country, but she can still be paid, right?

I was just wondering if they actually showed the torture or had photos of it happening. But, I think that torture does occur within North Korean prisons, there seems to be significant evidence pointing to that. There is nothing really that prevents the authorities from doing it, they aren't held accountable. So that lady could well be telling the truth. I don't think she would have deformed her leg on purpose. But as of now, I don't think there is any proof of any medical experimentation. It is an established fact though, that alot of defectors have exaggerated or lied about their experiences, for their own gain. The Los Angeles Times reported "North Korea denied as recently as last month that it had gassed prisoners, and it is impossible to confirm the chemist's account of the human experimentation. Other defectors have been known to exaggerate North Korean atrocities for money or to win asylum for their families". So, while this claim should be treated very seriously. I wouldn't accept it as established fact just yet. But human rights in North Korea is absolutely abysmal, I agree. The full extent of the abuses however are really hard to find out, due to the secretive nature of the country.
Whether North Korea has nucelear weapons is also debatable, as well.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:06 PM

I saw a Chinese programme showing a woman's leg hit to deformed. No bull. Of course, some of us might like to say that she use a club to hit her own leg, if so, i have nothing to say. Yes, she looks decent and innocent, even said she loved her country, but she can still be paid, right?

I was just wondering if they actually showed the torture or had photos of it happening. But, I think that torture does occur within North Korean prisons, there seems to be significant evidence pointing to that. There is nothing really that prevents the authorities from doing it, they aren't held accountable. So that lady could well be telling the truth. I don't think she would have deformed her leg on purpose. But as of now, I don't think there is any proof of any medical experimentation. It is an established fact though, that alot of defectors have exaggerated or lied about their experiences, for their own gain. The Los Angeles Times reported "North Korea denied as recently as last month that it had gassed prisoners, and it is impossible to confirm the chemist's account of the human experimentation. Other defectors have been known to exaggerate North Korean atrocities for money or to win asylum for their families". So, while this claim should be treated very seriously. I wouldn't accept it as established fact just yet. But human rights in North Korea is absolutely abysmal, I agree. The full extent of the abuses however are really hard to find out, due to the secretive nature of the country.
Whether North Korea has nucelear weapons is also debatable, as well.
reasonable enough, Maynard.

As to the medical experimentations, we too can't give proofs or ample evidences that they are being taken place. These kind of information is hard to retrieve. However, i was contemplating on whether using our common knowledge , deductions and perceptions learnt from the non-bourgeoise media would lead us in catastrophically doing injustice to the Democratic Republic. Anyway, I agree with you that it can contrued as an established fact yet.

.... I will stay and wait and see if any more reasonable, or even leftist media has anything to add as regards to this issue. :rolleyes:

[Hiero]

The lettuce thing is bullshit. The lady has confessed she was paid for the interview. If you notice in the interview she is living in a big house nice cloths, thats rather wierd since most immigrant refugees are normaly living in crowded house and working in sweat shops.

Then there is also the ex military officers. In one show one of these ex-officer was doing the interview from his nice South Korean government office and holds a high tittled job in the South Koren government.

I think whats happening is capitalist governments are paying for people to leave DPRK to give out any information about the DPRk, then paid to lie about the DPRK to help build up tensions agaisnt the DPRK.

Only recently news outlets stated that DPRk had taken down pictures of Kim in major cities, but the KFA (Korean Friends Associtation) stated in email that this is not the truth.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

Then there is also the ex military officers. In one show one of these ex-officer was doing the interview from his nice South Korean government office and holds a high tittled job in the South Koren government.

Yeah, it's creepy to think someone that evil is walking around. It would be like
walking down the street and seeing Josef Mengele. You made a good point. If this man is this evil then why did'nt the South Koreans execute or imprison him?
No, they gave him a high ranking government position ?

Maybe this guy really is lying.


The lettuce thing is bullshit. The lady has confessed she was paid for the interview.

Did holocaust survivors get paid for interviews? I would confess for free if I had been subjected to that level of torture.



I think whats happening is capitalist governments are paying for people to leave DPRK to give out any information about the DPRk, then paid to lie about the DPRK to help build up tensions agaisnt the DPRK.

Yes, but North Korea is really wierd. It's like Michael Jackson saying he does not
molest children.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

If Kim Jong Ill is this psycho then why doesn't someone in the NK government do something. They can't all be this crazy. Is he really a "Nero" style tyrant
or is he a Castro type leader? The North Korean government may be normal people but Kim himself may be insane.

The North Korean government's beliefs are no different than what you find in Cuba.
Nazism, on the other hand, was all based on real wierd shit. Therefore, it was no shock when we saw sicko stuff coming out of Germany.



1)Women in jails are raped, when they have babies, they are forced to work stressfully in order for the baby to be killed inside their body~
2)People who wish to flee to S.Korea or China , if caught and sent back , is severely tortured in prisons, and the whole family has to suffer because of this criminal.
3)Nuclear advancements........ but people are starving and dieing... 1 million people has died because of starving.
4)A N.Korean boy who fled to china is now studying in a Chinese Korean Schoool, he talked a lot about how people died eating tree trunks in the country-side.
5)Kim jong il jailed babies born in threes because his advisor told him that these triplets is a threat to his throne (superficial shit). A hospital is built in a rural area with 2 miles of the site heavily guarded by the military. These triplets are tortured and made crazy.... The UN documented this alleged human disaster in 1999.

[Kazdam]

Wait... there is a problem with experimenting on criminals? I am sorry but by committing a crime, you forfeit some human rights, if not all. A murderer has NO rights and can expect neither quarter nore mercy.Why should he expect more? At least let him be useful for society. I support Jong Il 100%. And better labor camps then these worthless american prisons where the prisoner just sits around all day living off taxpayers.

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

Wait... there is a problem with experimenting on criminals? I am sorry but by committing a crime, you forfeit some human rights, if not all. A murderer has NO rights and can expect neither quarter nore mercy.Why should he expect more? At least let him be useful for society. I support Jong Il 100%. And better labor camps then these worthless american prisons where the prisoner just sits around all day living off taxpayers.

So it's o.k. to gas kids for some sicko doctor's research? It's o.k. to feed people chemical weapons laced lettuce.

It's o.k. to have kids in a prison camp where they witness (or are the victim) of torture and murder daily. It's o.k. to rape women prisoners and then torture thier babies.

Were not talking about prison labor here. Were talking about sadism. No one
with any ethical beliefs would support that stuff. It's cruel shit.

As for American prisoners, Yes prison labor might be good but I would never
do that kind of stuff to them. What types of crimes would justify medical experiments and torture (for no reason)? on kids? on anybody? You said these people were murderers.
All of them were murderers? The kids were murderers?

It's O.k. to deny these charges but to admit them and be proud of it???

no comment.


So how do you feel about the treatment of pre- American Civil War black slaves??

You obviously feel that some people deserve no human rights. So maybe you

think they deserved being whipped, tortured and raped?

[Kazdam]

"So it's o.k. to gas kids for some sicko doctor's research? It's o.k. to feed people chemical weapons laced lettuce."

Kids? Wait. Didn't you say CRIMINALS? I was unaware that children were criminals. Or that the DPRK specifically aimed at children. Criminals are generally adult males. However if you can find me some 10 year old who has murdered people or is a criminal, send him for experimentation too, by all means.



"It's o.k. to rape women prisoners and then torture thier babies."

ROFL. yes. Clearly this is a greatpasttime in the DPRK. Kim jong il personally visits the camps to rape not only the women but their children. Please. Lets not talk about prison systems. Why not complain about turkey's prisons. The DPRK labor camps are humane.. too humane for the kind of garbage that inhabits them.


"As for American prisoners, Yes prison labor might be good but I would never
do that kind of stuff to them. What types of crimes would justify medical experiments and torture (for no reason)? on kids? on anybody? You said these people were murderers.
All of them were murderers? The kids were murderers?"

Well serial killers. That for one. That woman who drowned her five children. They found her "not guilty for reason of insanity" AFTER SHE KILLEED HER FIVE CHILDREN METHODICALLY in a bathtub. She doesn't deserve anesthesia. She deserves to be torn limb from limb. Experimentation shouldn't be done on ALL prisoners but please, mentally unstable killers and such garbage do not deserve consideration. They are worth far less than lab rats. And children? how many children are in the DPRK prison system???? I highly doubt its more than a handful.



So how do you feel about the treatment of pre- American Civil War black slaves??

You obviously feel that some people deserve no human rights. So maybe you

think they deserved being whipped, tortured and raped?

ROFLROFLROF. wow how typical of a moronic liberal. this doesn't deserve a thought out response. get your head out of your ass.

[redstar2000]

North Korea is bad enough even if you're not in prison...


Originally posted by BBC
N Korea reforms hit food prices

A UN report says that economic reforms in North Korea have led to skyrocketing food prices, leaving most families unable to get enough to eat.

When private farmers' markets were allowed to start operating in North Korea two years ago, it was hoped they might alleviate chronic hunger.

But the markets have instead sparked spiralling inflation, the report said.

Issued by the World Food Programme and the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO), the report said that the price of rice has increased five-fold in the past year. A single kilo now costs 30% the average monthly wage.

It is an indication that North Korea's cautious embrace of some capitalist reforms does not seem to have improved life for most of its people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/asia-pacific/4034615.stm

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 01:32 AM
Wait... there is a problem with experimenting on criminals? I am sorry but by committing a crime, you forfeit some human rights, if not all. A murderer has NO rights and can expect neither quarter nore mercy.Why should he expect more? At least let him be useful for society. I support Jong Il 100%. And better labor camps then these worthless american prisons where the prisoner just sits around all day living off taxpayers.
Kazdam you ain't coming back but your are one of the looniest guys I have seen here

I remember reading that during pol pots regime people were shot because they stole a potato.Why because they were hungry ?

Sure I think pol pot was experimenting with new weapons and stealing to feed oneself is a grave crime

I wonder if you have posters of pol pot on your walls ,but then I don't think the authorities of your mental asylum would allow that, now would they?
But I am still wondering how you got access to a computer?

Hey......
I thinkafter many years in a mental correction institue you ahve finally escaped!!!!!
We have a nut on the loose !!!!!!!!

[no_bourgeoisie_liberals]

ROFLROFLROF. wow how typical of a moronic liberal. this doesn't deserve a thought out response. get your head out of your ass.

O.K. maybe that comment was somewhat cheesy or sappy. But anyways I am not anti-capital punishment. It is true China has 3 or 4 times the population of the USA and half or less the crime rate. So thier system must be good. So I must not be a liberal if I support that. One week you get executed and they won't even pay for the bullet. I know I'm watching my ass over there.

However, our capitalist system promotes crime. Those on the far right would blame multi-culturalism. The left, on the other hand, blames capitalism which is the correct reason. Note both Russia and Yugoslavia fell victim to racial wars once
socialism was ended. Of course, you can't leave out religion's grand role in promoting hate.

Anyways, the US system creates a breeding ground for crime. The majority of US crime would end with the fall of capitalism. This would leave the criminal justice system to punish real murderers and other criminals.

The US prison population is full of drug convictions. Drugs is a big business. It's a big capitalist business. So once capitalism is eliminated then will the drug trade. No??? Also, I am assuming a socialist society will give people more hope.
This should lessen the attraction of drugs.

So, in summary, a strong government that punishes crime is good. A true socialist society values society over the individual. However,
society should not be a breeding ground for crime. For example, the best way to prevent disease is to wash your hands. America does not wash it's hands.

As for North Korea, if what they are saying is true than NK are some sick bastards.
However, as long as they are not doing sicko stuff then I could care less if they have tough laws.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Nov 18 2004, 10:32 AM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Nov 18 2004, 10:32 AM)
Virgin Molotov [email protected] 15 2004, 09:19 AM
It is a militarist-death-camp-nightmare.
So was every other communist state. What do you expect when individual rights go out of the window ? [/b]
Please elaborate how North Korea is anything ermotely close to communism? Have you read the manifesto?

[Zingu]

We have yet an other misconception of Communism.


There has been no Communist society on the face of the Earth.

The Paris Commune was Socialist to the very bloody end, all good.

Russia was Socialist until it went state capitalist around the 1930s.

Cuba is Socialist still luckily.

China is not even Socialist, the CP of China claims its market Socialism....

And North Korea? Uh, I'm not even considering that as Socialist, their official doctrine is Juche anyways. They might have some type of Socialist economy, but politically, they are NOT Socialist, where is the power of the workers? Anyone?


Yes, and the phrase "Communist state" is a oxymoron, there can be no state in a true Communist society.