Poor Che

[7189]

Isn't it sad that the great hero that is Che should be used by greedy corporations to boost sales?

The striking image of Che's face can be seen in your local high-store, and can be yours...for a price. On pencil cases, agendas, clothing, hats, necklaces, you name it, our hero is being used to boost revenues.

Che died fighting capitalism. The irony is, his face, and the romantic lifestyle he lead is now being used to help capitalism. What a pity.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I agree.


This site sells Che products. Sorry to the one who owns this site, but I have to be honest: It disgusts me.


When did Ernesto approve that his face, his personality, including evertyhing he fought for was to be used by companies to make money?

[che's long lost daughter]

Well, Malte said once that selling the products is indespensible in order for the site to "survive". Well that's not exactly what he said but that is what he is trying to say I think.

But, indeed, Che is being used now by the capitalism he died fighting against. It's sad, it's ironic but it's true.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 11 2004, 03:02 PM
Well, Malte said once that selling the products is indespensible in order for the site to "survive". Well that's not exactly what he said but that is what he is trying to say I think.

But, indeed, Che is being used now by the capitalism he died fighting against. It's sad, it's ironic but it's true.
As a capitalist, can you imagine any better way to destroy and marginalize the man than by using him post mortem to do something he fought all his life against?

[che's long lost daughter]

What ever gave you the idea that I am a CAPITALIST??? What I am trying to say is that Che's memory is being used by capitalists, those people he fought in order to bring down and I know that is also what you are trying to say. I did not say that I am in favor of what these people are doing. I said that it's sad and that it is real and we may not be able to do anthing about it for now.

[Colombia]

So do you support shirts that are being sold in Cuba as an easy attempt to gain money for communists?

What makes it any diffrent?

[redstar2000]

I think there are some other things to be considered here.

By using Che as a "marketing tool", our enemies are drawing wide-spread public attention to the man. This provokes, at least in a minority, curiosity.

Why do you think this board is so large...far larger than any other left message board on the internet? If it had been called "Lenin Lives" or "Mao Lives" or even "Marx Lives", would it have generated the same interest?

There is a sentiment attributed to Lenin that is appropriate: "when we prepare to hang the last capitalists, we know that they will have already sold us the necessary rope".

Our enemies make make a temporary profit from Che's image...but they are also preparing for their own demise by doing so.

I think Che would have gotten a good laugh out of the whole thing.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[enigma2517]

I agree. People are always asking me, who's that guy on ur buddy icon/binder/shirt/etc. It DOES spark curiosity. We have to seize that moment. Spread the word about this man (and more importantly his cause) and how he DIED fighting for what he believed in. Nothing material, not out of greed, but simply an idea, one that is so beautiful it can make your heart twist in emotion. Most people are not even that appalled after hearing that somebody as heroic and altruistic as Che fought for something as "evil" as communism. In fact most people are logical, and instead of questioning Che, they begin to question their preconception of communism.

Redstar is right...its like capitalism digging its own grave =)

[7189]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 11:00 PM
Redstar is right...its like capitalism digging its own grave =)
I hope so comrade.

[Big Boss]

capitalism digging its own grave =)



That is very true. By selling his face all over, they have started a wave of curiosity that seems to be limitless. In my case, I came to know who our great hero was by buying a shirt myself in Spencers. From the on, I began to read about him, bought his books and recorded tv specials about him. The point is that the same thing can happen to many others who pass by a store selling his face in shirts, wallets and bookbags. The capitalists companies are getting paid but at the same time making more Marxist youngsters like myself. Ironic, isn't it? :D

[DaCuBaN]

Only if those Che shirts were the "mickey mouse" variety - Irony requires a twist ;)

[bunk]

This site is working against capitalism so i support the selling of che shirts for here. Or the fair trade one i bought from Cuba.

[Wiesty]

these guys have got some points. Hell, thats how i learned about che, was my brothers t-shirt, so i asked him who he was. Resarched, bought some shirts. i must have like 4 posters/pics of che in my room. Its almost like a recruiting method. If it wasnt for that t-shirt, id probably have gone capatilist. Hell, i probably woulndt of even knew about half the stuff i know now. T-Shirts and etc. are good in my opinion. But on the other hand, i'd hate to see another nickle go to capitalism

[7189]

I see your point.

I became a Communist because my father's a Communist, but I can see how Che's face could be used as a 'Communist conscription' device :)

[refuse_resist]

As much as people hate seeing his face on shirts and what not, we can't deny that this is only a good thing. By having him on clothing, posters, etc., this will only create curiosity amongst those who don't know anything about him. It will cause these people to do more research about him to see what he stood for, which will eventually cause them to do more researching on his political ideology.

[YKTMX]

I agree.


This site sells Che products. Sorry to the one who owns this site, but I have to be honest: It disgusts me.




Yes, letting this site close down would much better serve the memory of Che.

[komon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 09:01 PM
As much as people hate seeing his face on shirts and what not, we can't deny that this is only a good thing. By having him on clothing, posters, etc., this will only create curiosity amongst those who don't know anything about him. It will cause these people to do more research about him to see what he stood for, which will eventually cause them to do more researching on his political ideology.
yes.we can deny the fact that using capitalists tools,is not really what che had in mind to make a revolution.....is it?
but maybe che did make some concesions too?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Capitalists are digging there own grave by selling these t shirts because it allowed for people to know who he is.. sadly though he is over marketed maybe a t shirt or a poster AT MOSt maybe even some hats but & a pin or 2 . but pencil cases and binders is overkill man...

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 11 2004, 09:28 AM
What ever gave you the idea that I am a CAPITALIST??? What I am trying to say is that Che's memory is being used by capitalists, those people he fought in order to bring down and I know that is also what you are trying to say. I did not say that I am in favor of what these people are doing. I said that it's sad and that it is real and we may not be able to do anthing about it for now.
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA! I didn't see this post until now! I'm not calling You a capitalist, I meant more to consider the issue from a capitalist point of view. Sorry for the misunderstanding. i meant, that, if you were a capitalist, could you rhink of a better way to destroy Guevara's image and legacy than to make a profit off of him?

[tequila]

I dont really agree with Ches image being used for capitalism but the sad truth is that many people on this site would probably never have heard of che if they hadnt seen his face on a t shirt
:ph34r:

[refuse_resist]

Indeed. I know many people who know Che's image, yet don't really know much about him, like his beliefs and what he had fought for.

[komon]

my question is going to be as a bomb here.....
what is the difference between seeing(and using) che as asymbol or/and a machandise?
still i like what the guy did.

[che's long lost daughter]

:Pours some water on the bomb and puts the fire out:

Che is used as a symbol of the revolution. You liking what he did gives me the idea that you are cognizant of what he actually did and I know that being aware of that makes it clear why his image is being used to symbolize revolution. Him being used as a merchandise is mostly for the benefit of capitalism which he so much fought against during his lifetime. These capitalists are aware that many people, especially the younger generation, are into this Che-hero worship thing, thus they traffic on Che's image to sell products because they know that these people would definitely be consumers of those products.

[komon]

fire again


where is the revolution in irak?or palestina

also i agree with you and here a symbol

[bubbrubb]

Che is a fucking idiot. Ban me you lil mutha fuckas. Che sucks cock che sucks cock

[RedAnarchist]

Might be the truth that they became Communist because they saw his face on a shirt - but they are still here. They dont get bored of it, or give it up like a bad addiction. No, they carry on with it - learn about Communism, read about Communism. Surely if we can get just 1 person interested in Communism via a Che t-shirt, then its a good thing?

[che's long lost daughter]

We can't deny that a number of people here knew about Che because of a Che shirt. So in a way, A Che shirt is quite useful in leading people to start learning about Che, then maybe about the revolution, then communism, socialism etc.

[Vallegrande]

"big money pullin' on invisible strings
gettin' into everything
so deep, it's hard to believe
it's in the food and the water and the air you breath...
and the bottom line is the profit grows
the money talks, you don't talk back
they don't like it when you act like that" -Jimmy Page ("Didn't we")

[leftist resistance]

It's a good thing to see Che tshirts being worn,that he is still being remembered around the world.

But it'll piss me off if a person wears it and tarnish his image in the process. :angry:

[leftist resistance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 12:19 AM
Che is a fucking idiot. Ban me you lil mutha fuckas. Che sucks cock che sucks cock
Hey,what's wrong with this guy?

Aah,just a glitch in the brain perhaps

[che's long lost daughter]

Don't worry, he is banned already. He can suck his own cock. (will i get banned for saying expletives??)

[leftist resistance]

:lol:

[refuse_resist]

All I have to say is that I'd rather see Che shirts than Ronald Reagan shirts or other shirts that have bourgeois politicians and reactionaries on them.

[Latifa]

some random guy, who was wearing a Che tshirt, resonding to me asking who Che Guevara was: "He killed Communists."
(from Anti-Capitalist's sig)
:lol: What needs to happen is that a little booklet needs to be sold with the merchandise so people actually know who he was. Too many uninformed retards roam the streets.
"Excuse me, who is that man on your shirt?"
"Che Guevara."
"Sorry, who?"
"Uhh, he was that Spanish dude."

[guevara-marley]

I think it's really stupid...i think it's ok if you'll make those things on your own or if you need it to survive but not for those rich concernes just to get more and more money...they're just killing the kids in vietnam, korea, china...just for stupid things...
there are soo many things on this world to chenge...but who will do it?

[RedAnarchist]

One person cannot change the world. That is why, united in one class, the wokers will soon become concious of the capitalist lie and oppressiona dn will overthrow them and create a new world free of nations, free of religion and free of fascism.

To attain that we need to take a leaf out of the many revolutionary and leftist books -Che, Zapata, Chavez et al. We must also try to unite our messages into one loud roar of Communism.

[THKO]

How can they use che’s name for those. İt is unacceptable. It is true he died because he fighted with capitalism. It makes me really angry