Metal, Hard Rock, Goth rock, Prog Rock

[Invader Zim]

Anyone like bands such as Element Eight, Deftones, Tool, Children of Bodom and that kind of stuff?

Recently I have started to listen to Chevelle, and wish to further broaden my horizons, anyone got any suggestions?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If you like prog metal, there is nothing better than King Crimson. Red and In the Court of the Crimson King are the best albums.
Try Marillion as well.
Rush and Dream Theater are also considered prog metal, but I'm not quite as familiar with those.

I don't see how goth rock has anything to do with hard rock, prog rock, and metal, however.

For straight up progressive rock, try The Moody Blues for pretty light, but great classic stuff. If you wanna give them a listen, start with Days of Future Passes. Yes did some great really experimental stuff. Close to the Edge and Fragile are the most highly acclaimed albums by Yes. Pink Floyd, of course was the greatest prog band.

For some recent stuff look into The Mars Volta. Their only album, De-loused is very good. Mostly Autumn is more reminiscent of 60s and 70s prog, though. They're pretty good. I have the Last Bright Light by them, and that's a good album.

You should also try Frank Zappa. He's not as "prog" as some of the others, but brilliant in his own way. Hot Rats is considered one of his best albums.

Art rock also refers to nearly the same thing as prog. 10cc is really great, if wanna give art rock a try. The Original Soundtrack is my favorite by 10cc. Television and Pere Ubu are kind of art rock/punk and they're very good. Really experimental.

Hope that helps.

[Funky Monk]

I love Children of Bodom.


And have you ever heard of a band called Bal-Sagoth? reccommended listening to anyone.

[Invader Zim]

I don't see how goth rock has anything to do with hard rock, prog rock, and metal, however.


Not much, but i've been listening to a bit of that as well.

As for dream theatre I have all their albums already I think. As I am is one of my favourate songs.

I will try out the other bands you mentioned, of course I love pink Floyd already, though.

[Dyst]

Everyone should try listening to Tool. The genre is like a prog mix between Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and Rage Against the Machine. Pretty weird genre, but it is the best music I have ever heard. If anyone's interested, the drummer, Danny Carey, is probably the most talented drummer I've ever seen/heard. The lyrics are intelligent, beyond comprehension, almost. :P

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The name for the genre is metal prog and there are dozens of other bands who play metal prog.

[gaf]

metal/hard/prog/rap and so on.....core ,i'm from the old school .and i must :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




what a bullshit.gettos will get us together..silly.

[Dyst]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 12:16 AM
The name for the genre is metal prog and there are dozens of other bands who play metal prog.
Lol, I know that... What I was saying was that it is far from normal metal prog. It is seldom even described as prog, mostly just metal, or alternative rock or something like that.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

That's because the term "prog" isn't used very much in the maisntream these days, but Tool is as great an example of metal-prog as I can think of.


metal/hard/prog/rap and so on.....core ,i'm from the old school .and i must :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




what a bullshit.gettos will get us together..silly.

WTF does that mean? I literaly have no idea what you just wrote.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:57 PM
That's because the term "prog" isn't used very much in the maisntream these days, but Tool is as great an example of metal-prog as I can think of.



WTF does that mean? I literaly have no idea what you just wrote.
of course you don't ......
if i say don't be labelised in music as you do in life .do you understand then?

[Dyst]

I know I didn't get it...

[refuse_resist]

Children of Bodom are fuckin awesome. I saw them live a few weeks ago with Fear Factory and Lamb of God, which kicked a lot of ass.

Personally my favorite thrash metal bands would have to be Slayer and Sepultura.

I might be going to see Slayer with Killswitch Engage and Mastadon next month too. :D Slayer has to be one of the best live acts ever.

[Funky Monk]

Ok, does anyone like Children of Bodom seriously? I mean i love them because they are so funny but does anyone think they are great?

[No Me Importa]

I love metal, industrial, prog rock, goth rock, all that kinda shit... Tool, A Perfect Circle, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, System of a Down, Deftones, Korn, and... did I say Tool?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Funky [email protected] 11 2004, 10:58 PM
Ok, does anyone like Children of Bodom seriously? I mean i love them because they are so funny but does anyone think they are great?
They are quite good, not as good Chevelle, though they are a different type of music really.

[Palmares]

I haven't heard much Chevelle, but I didn't think they were that good.

If you like crossover-type trash like Killswitche Engage, try out Caliban.

[Funky Monk]

Anyone listen to Arch Enemy? I found myself listening to them when i was in need of a laugh and i've actually got into them.

[rebelred]

ahhh yes, not to be typical, but I've been a huge fan of the band tool for quite awhile, when I saw danny carry up close at a pigmy love circus (the other band hes in) concert it was amazing, as well as with a perfect circle...again amazing, I kinda had to laugh at myself though because awhile back I bought a "cradle of filth" cd just to check em out...ha ever since I've been trying to get rid of it, any takers?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I hate Children of Bodom.
And I hate Chevelle.

[Funky Monk]

I love you

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I hate you

[Dyst]

Ah, watching brotherly love always puts a tear to my eye... *sniff*

[commie kg]

Dream Theater is an amazing band. Check them out, your CD collection will never be the same. I have ditched ungodly amounts of money into Dream Theater albums and DVDs.

Spock's Beard and Office of Strategic Influence are a couple of other prog bands that are worth a listen.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Funky [email protected] 13 2004, 05:34 PM
Anyone listen to Arch Enemy? I found myself listening to them when i was in need of a laugh and i've actually got into them.
Of course. Though I dunno how you can listen to them when you're in need of a laugh.

They're gonna be playing with Cradle of Filth around here soon, I was thinking about checking it out.


I bought a "cradle of filth" cd just to check em out...ha ever since I've been trying to get rid of it, any takers?
I'll take it. :)


I hate Children of Bodom.
And I hate Chevelle.
Ah, c'mon, what's wrong with COB and Chevelle? I've seen them both live, but I thought Children of Bodom was way better.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Frankly, I'm not very familiar with Children of Bodom. But from what I've heard, I really don't like it.
Chevelle just downright sucks.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Has anyone heard Porcupine Tree?

[rebelred]

hahah, I remember at ozzfest last year chevelle was playing right after the band shadows fall, and it was funny because all the metal heads just kinda looked at each other and turned around and walked away slowly over to the concession stand for beer.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 01:11 AM
hahah, I remember at ozzfest last year chevelle was playing right after the band shadows fall, and it was funny because all the metal heads just kinda looked at each other and turned around and walked away slowly over to the concession stand for beer.
Thats because most so called "metalheads" dont know anything, most likley they all came for shit-knot or what ever other pop music which gets invited to ozzfest, and when a real rock band goes up they all piss off like the pussies they are.

Most of those prick have probably never heard of any real metal bands, the most metal they have heard is Linkin Park and those sell outs Mettalica.

Anyway Chevelle are a hard rock band, not a metal band.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Are you seriously trying to say that unlike Slipknot, Chevelle doesn't pander to pop-rock standards? You know, here in the US they gets loads of airplay.

[rebelred]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 05:23 PM
Thats because most so called "metalheads" dont know anything, most likley they all came for shit-knot or what ever other pop music which gets invited to ozzfest, and when a real rock band goes up they all piss off like the pussies they are.

Most of those prick have probably never heard of any real metal bands, the most metal they have heard is Linkin Park and those sell outs Mettalica.

Anyway Chevelle are a hard rock band, not a metal band.
sad but somewhat true, its quite depressing when your metalheads now are really just 11 year old kids with a title to them or big huge jock frat boys who have bad taste in music


but in my opinion Chevelle does kinda sound pop-ish

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 01:58 AM
Are you seriously trying to say that unlike Slipknot, Chevelle doesn't pander to pop-rock standards? You know, here in the US they gets loads of airplay.
Well I'm not in America, and Chevelle unlike Shit-Knot don't get any airtime. I have never heard Chevelle on the radio once.

The only time at rock night down the local rock scene hang out. They never get played where i live, ever. Ohh that and my humble flat in halls.

Anyway you want to talk about pop-rock, you ever heard of a band called Cannibal Corpse? They as I am aware have never seen any airplay yet have sold more records than most of the successful elements of the rock genre combined. I have also seen way more cannibal corpse T-Shirts etc being worn than I have ever seen Chevelle T-shirts, indeed I have yet too see even one Chevelle T-shirt.

So Airplay and rock music don't mean shit.

Pink Floyd had loads of airplay from the likes of Radio one, and had chart topping singles, yet I wouldn't call them a pop band. The same goes for Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, etc.

Anyway I usually take no notice to what people say about bands, I don't care if they are pop or not, as long as they sound good. The only problem is that most pop bands sound shit, and try to emulate other bands, like Mettalica, and fail abismally. That is why I dont like Pop-Rock because it's shit.

However bands like Feeder who are most certainly pop rock have produces the best British rock music for about a decade and a half, and spent most of that decade and a half trying to get where they are today.

[Dyst]

Tool rules. If they would get ariplay, (which I don't know if they do in the US. Certainly not here in Norway... :P) the stuff they do is just to deep for any ''burger-masticulating, middle class, suburban, wannahave-angst'' teenagers to like. Because allthough Tools music may be sorta self-destructive, it really isn't agressive, also the lyrics are damn deep. They also often stear away from the traditional 4/4 rythm, which can often make it harder to listen to for a narrow minded idiot who doesn't understand anything about good music. Listen to Tool.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

To beging with, Zeppelin, Floyd, and Iron Maiden are all popular music.
And what we're discussing is who pander to radio standards. And in my opinion, Chevelle does.
Zepp, Floyd, and Iron Maiden did not, IMO.

[Invader Zim]

To beging with, Zeppelin, Floyd, and Iron Maiden are all popular music.


Indeed, but there is a very large, but subtal difference between a "pop band" and a band which is popular.

And in my opinion, Chevelle does

I respect your opinion more than nearly everyone else on the board, and indeed perhaps it is true to say in the US Chevelle are similar to most pop-rock bands, but I'm not from the US, and where I live I think that the scene is totally different, and that Chevelle are complete nobodies.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

fair enough

[refuse_resist]

Thats because most so called "metalheads" dont know anything, most likley they all came for shit-knot or what ever other pop music which gets invited to ozzfest, and when a real rock band goes up they all piss off like the pussies they are.
Actually, you'd be surprised. This years ozzfest had lots of old school headbangers who showed up, especially since it was the Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Slayer reunion tour. On the second stage they had Shit-knot headline unfortunatley, but hey, right before they came up on stage they had Hatebreed and Lamb of God. I ended up puking in the mosh pit during their set :lol: I think it was because of all the dust that was around plus I had been doing lots of drinking and weed smoking before I went in.


I have yet too see even one Chevelle T-shirt.
I've seen a few of them. Around 2 or 3 I think.

Chevelle is definatley not a metal band though.

Lately a lot of the Ozzfests over the past years have been fairly diverse when it comes to what kind of music the artists play. You get hardcore, nu-metal, cross over, experiemental, etc. bands playing now.

[Invader Zim]

Chevelle is definatley not a metal band though.

They are a hard rock band.

[refuse_resist]

Indeed.

[Hate Is Art]

hmmmmm, this sounds like nu-metal. I thought we all grew out of that a while. I'll keeping on listening to Devendra Banhart and the Libertines, if it's all the same.

[Invader Zim]

The Libertines are OK, though I can think of numerous better bands of the same type.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The whole genre (Libertines, Hives, Vines, Strokes, etc.) is pretty bland, if you ask me.

Some place Radiohead in the same boat, but they're entirely different and absolutely incredible.

The White Stripes aren't so bad, either. But nothing special.

[Postteen]

I like Iron Maiden and Judas priest.Black Sabbath,Nirvana,Guns and Roses,Led Zeppelin,Dream Theater,Metallica,Helloween,Arch Enemy...I don't really know any other bands...

[cubist]

metallica are soo boring these days,

seen em live twice in the last two years and what a pile of crap, so much better on CD

[Dyst]

I second that. Metallica has lost their soul.

[refuse_resist]

Metallica definatley has lost their soul. I think it was off the new Megadeth album they have a song on their about Lars Ulrich and how Metallica has forgotten where they're from and that they became to rock starish, which they have. Seriously, if Cliff never died they would have never ended up like this. Their first three albums (Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets) are masterpeices. After those, they lost their edge and unfortunatley became more about the money than music.

[Anti-Prophet]

Greatest metal band: Immortal

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

I like Gothic Rock and Industrial mostly, but here are all the bands that I like (with absolute favorites in asterisks):

Classic Rock: *The Beatles*, The Grateful Dead, AC/DC, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Pink Floyd, Janis Joplin, Queen, David Bowie, The Velvet Underground.

Goth: *The Cure*, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Sisters of Mercy, Clan of Xymox, Bella Morte, Bauhaus, Inkubbus/Sukkubus, Diary of Dreams, Joy Division, London After Midnight, Dead Can Dance, Switchblade Symphony, The Changelings, ::mira::, The Cruxshadows, black tape for a blue girl, Romowe Rikoito, Moon Far Away, Love Spirals Downward, Jesus and Mary Chain, Voltaire.

Other Horribly Pretentious 80’s Crap: The Smiths, Depeche Mode, The Violent Femmes, New Order, Culture Club, Guns N’ Roses, Metallica, George Michael, Annie Lennox.

Industrial: *Nine Inch Nails*, Apoptygma Berzerk, KMFDM, Front Line Assembly, Ministry, Front 242, Covenant, Skinny Puppy, VNV Nation, MDFMK, Cabaret Voltaire, Einsteurzende Neubauten, Funker Vogt, Red Square.

Hard Rock/”Alternative”: *Rage Against the Machine*, *Radiohead*, Marilyn Manson, The Smashing Pumpkins, Coal Chamber, A Perfect Circle, Sublime, Orgy, *Rammstein*.

Rap/Hip-Hop: The Coup, 2Pac, Nappy Roots, Jay-Z, Outkast, N.W.A., Public Enemy, MC Hammer

Misc.: The Sex Pistols, The Ramones, B.B. King, Sarah McLachlan, Parliament, any Classical/Celtic/Gregorian Chant/American Indian I can get my hands on, and that…. That’s about it.

[Postteen]

Yesterday I bought a cd of Rhaspody's and I think they have really great music but their lyrics are...unrealistic?They're kinda funny...So when listen to them I try not to hear the lyrics.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

when it comes to hard rock I imedeatly think of HxC.


speaking of which, january 8 at the rave in milwaukee I WILL see agnostic front and hatebreed!

[Postteen]

A couple of days ago, I bought a cd of COB.Well,I liked the songs(meaning the melody and some of the lyrics)but i CAN"T stand the singer's screamings!When I first listened to it, I felt a pain in my stomach and throat!

I bought a CD of Helloween as well, and I pretty liked it!Now I'm gonna buy a Kiss and a AC/DC one.(well 2)

[EL OBiSPO]

If you want to listen to heavy prog that moves away from the zillion notes a second solos and the like... I suggest you download some of the following:

Keelhaul
Isis
Neurosis
Mastodon
Old Man Gloom
Pelican
Soilent Green
Dillinger Escape Plan
Burnt By The Sun

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by Anti-Prophet+Posted on Dec 10 2004, 08:09 PM--> (Anti-Prophet @ Posted on Dec 10 2004, 08:09 PM)Greatest metal band: Immortal [/b]

They're a good band, a little overated in my opinion, but good nonetheless. I prefer Necromantia, Bathory, Countess, Burzum, Emperor, Graveland, Ildjarn, Nokturnal Mortum, and other such Black Metal bands, but Immortal are pretty good. Do you like any other Black Metal bands?


Beatle [email protected] 11 2004, 06:57 PM
Yesterday I bought a cd of Rhaspody's and I think they have really great music but their lyrics are...unrealistic?They're kinda funny...So when listen to them I try not to hear the lyrics.
There are numerous Power Metal bands these days, it is now an awful trend. But Rhapsody have always been of high quality. They're an excellent band, taking the right elements of Power Metal and making catchy, but not poppish Metal. Very good band(I personally love fantasy based lyrics). What album did you get?

[Postteen]

Symphony of Enchanted Lands!I like their music very much,and I particularly like Epicus Furor and Emerald Sword.All of'em are nice!I don't know why, but Wings of Destiny reminds me of something..anyway.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Save your money and your ears and skip the KISS. AC/DC is okay, I'd go with Back in Black. It's the least mediocre. That's all you really need because the rest is pretty much the same damn thing.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:23 PM
The whole genre (Libertines, Hives, Vines, Strokes, etc.) is pretty bland, if you ask me.

Some place Radiohead in the same boat, but they're entirely different and absolutely incredible.

The White Stripes aren't so bad, either. But nothing special.
Certainly some indi at first appears rather bland, its more of an aquired taste, like whisky and guiness.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I would never call the Hives, The Libertines, or the Vines indy. As far as I'm concerned, indy music is non-mainstream.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 06:06 PM
I would never call the Hives, The Libertines, or the Vines indy. As far as I'm concerned, indy music is non-mainstream.
They started on te indi circuit and out grew other bands in popularity, rather like indi as a genre is becoming more popular. The Smiths were relativly main stream, in that they were popular, but they were still on the Rough Trade label.

Its gone however from what labels, more to sound and image. But yeah its debatable...

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 04:48 PM
Save your money and your ears and skip the KISS. AC/DC is okay, I'd go with Back in Black. It's the least mediocre. That's all you really need because the rest is pretty much the same damn thing.
The only AC/DC worth listening to would have to have Bon Scott singing. Brian Johnson blows!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

It doesn't make much of a difference to me whether Bon Scott is singing or Brian Johnson...

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by Andrei [email protected] 11 2004, 06:51 PM
Other Horribly Pretentious 80’s Crap: The Smiths, Depeche Mode, The Violent Femmes, New Order, Culture Club, Guns N’ Roses, Metallica, George Michael, Annie Lennox.

how fucking dare you diss the smiths or violent femmes....

...if you dissed bright eyes too I'd have to kill you....


...I have seen the violent femmes live THREE times...

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 06:28 PM
It doesn't make much of a difference to me whether Bon Scott is singing or Brian Johnson...
I understand what you are saying and would say that the topic isn't worthy of further discussion.

[Postteen]

well i have to agree with RedZeppelin, AC/DC's songs seem to me all the same.Black in Black is a great one though.And i haven't bought a Kiss cd,and i won't.I'm buying LedZeppelin's double cd pretty soon.I adore them!I have the Dvd "the song remains the same"(the concert)and I can't help watching it every day!

[son.et.lumiere]

Good bands which happen to be my faves are The Mars Volta, Tool, A Perfect Circle (which recently released an album of cover songs about peace, love, greed, war, money, which was very leftist in my opinion) and The Deftones. They all have good opinions which seem to be left-oriented, but they're not political bands.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

cool stuff, son. et. lumiere. That's a badass song too!

What Zeppelin double CD are you talking about, Beatle Kat?
Physical Graffiti is great. Often under rated in comparison to their earlier work, but I think it's better in some respects, and surely better than Zepp III.
Or do you mean the 2-CD box set?

[Postteen]

err...an orange one with a zeppelin on it,it says Remasters,and it has,I think,the best songs of LedZep.It's a double one,isn't it.Is it the box set?

What about Black Label Society?I don't have any of their cd's and I was wondering which one to buy.Basicly I'd like to buy one of DarkThrone but again I'm not familiar with their music.Recently I bought "Fighting for the World"-Manowar(the music was ok,but the lyrics...)and "the best of the Epic years"of Motorhead.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'm not sure I know what Zepp album you're talking about...
here are all their albums (http://www.led-zeppelin.com/disc.html)
The first ten are the studio albums, the last ten are best-of's, box sets, and live recordings.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 1 2005, 12:29 PM
err...an orange one with a zeppelin on it,it says Remasters,and it has,I think,the best songs of LedZep.It's a double one,isn't it.Is it the box set?
Remasters has a nice tracklist but lacks many classics such as When The Levee Breaks, Living Loving Maid, Tangerine, Going To California, In My Time Of Dying and others. The boxset's a different one.


What about Black Label Society?I don't have any of their cd's and I was wondering which one to buy.Basicly I'd like to buy one of DarkThrone but again I'm not familiar with their music.Recently I bought "Fighting for the World"-Manowar(the music was ok,but the lyrics...)and "the best of the Epic years"of Motorhead.

Buy some King Crimson instead.


Physical Graffiti is great. Often under rated in comparison to their earlier work, but I think it's better in some respects, and surely better than Zepp III.

Physical Graffiti's CD 1 is almost perfect. If they would have put Ten Years Gone or The Wanton Song instead of Custard Pie and sell it as only 1 CD that would have been their best ever. But CD 2 is a bit weak.

[Postteen]

That's the cd and the songs:

REMASTERS (2CDs)

Disc1
01. Communication Breakdown
02. Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You
03. Good Times Bad Times
04. Dazed And Confused
05. Whole Lotta Love
06. Heartbreaker
07. Ramble On
08. Immigrant Song
09. Celebration Song
10. Since I've Been Loving You
11. Black Dog
12. Rock And Roll
13. The Battle Of Evermore
14. Misty Mountain Hop
15. Stairway To Heaven
Disc2
01. The Song Remains The Same
02. The Rain Song
03. D'yer Mak'er
04. No Quarter
05. Houses Of The Holy
06. Kashmir
07. Trampled Underfoot
08. Nobody's Fault But Mine
09. Achilles Last Stand
10. All My Love
11. In The Evening