Hardcore Comes of Age

[pandora]

Hardcore came of age in NYC in the 80's DC and Philly had a say as did California, but it remained more punk.
For A Second resource I link the Nausea webpage which has a nice history also of the Tompkins Square Park Riots which was a culmination of a lot of the energy that was happening:
http://www.hellbentrecords.com/bands/nausea.html

NYC really started it with people like Vinnie Stigma, of Agnostic Front, later Rodger too mentioned below, JOhn and Harley Flanegan of the Cromags, Raybies of Warzone, Rat Charlie of Ultraviolence, Davie of Mental Abuse, HR of Badbrains (and John Joseph)
and Billy Psycho of the Psychos, Reagan's Youth (fuck a must see and hear very pro-Marxist lyrics),

Credit must also go to: The Ramones, Johnny Thunders, and the Dead Boys--Stiv Bators(whom those bastards Velvet Revolver rip off) as well as Iggy Pop and the Cramps, Lea Ving and Poison Ivy on bass. These bands and performers set the performance standard and opened the gates for going off on stage, but were more punk than hardcore, still they started getting things more intense.

Then the out of towners:
Government Issue(DC),
The Minutemen, (Dee Boones, Bless you wherever you are, this is where the hardcore drums came from him Davie of AF and Billy Psycho trimmed it down]
the Plazmatics (shout out for Wendy O Rest in Peace, Richie Stotts the bassist was incredible coming from a Jazz background
check "across the valley of '84) Minor Threat DC too.
FEAR (Texas),
THen the Cali bands:
DI (Drunken Imbeciles),
DRI,
Circle Jerks
the MEat MEn, and even FLipper, THrowing Muses, Laughing Hyenas, and DK took Punk rock to a new age a created HARDCORE.

Later groups like Sick of it All, Crippled Youth (which became BOLD-- little guy singing was freaking amazing)
Trip 6, Youth of Today, JFA (Jodi Foster's Army),
and Gorilla Bisquits.

Canada got into the action with the Day Glo Abortions
These sounds developed at CBGB's during the Hardcore Matinees on Sundays.

Some English Bands of note which influenced this sound from the 70's were: The Exploited, GBH, The English Dogs, the always underestimated due to a female singer but they kicked ass: X-Ray Specs, CRASS, the Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols always an influence.

Originally much of the music was controlled by Chris Williamson[Ritz: Rock Hotel], but eventually through the success of the Beasties, Murphy's Law, Bad Religion, and Bad Brains, dropping shows and cash, and the Straight Edge bands like Fugazi (guys from Minor Threat)
coming out of DC opened it up for new bands in NYC.
In Cali: FLipside and Maximum Rock & Rollwere increasing the knowledge base, the scene became united, you could crash from coast to coast on word of mouth and everyone looked out for each other.
Nausea came about later due to some connections with Minor Threat, and then "Squat or Rot" Records started, then we had the Tompskins Square Park Riot. Big Crazy stuff.
Real since of unity, lots of Anarchy.Ralphie Boy from "Squat or Rot" has a band Disassociate that rocks pretty hard.

Anyhoo that's the begining of what became NYHC please check the classics before the new crap that's coming out today.
Roger Miret of Agnostic Front tried to put out a new album called Kill the Yuppies, and the supposedly "punk rock" label putting out the crap you guys mentioned earlier wouldn't carry it, so that should tell ya a lot![article in Su Girls]

[Urban Rubble]

Speaking of Roger Miret, has anyone heard Roger Miret and the Disasters ? I think that's what they're called.

It seems like Millions of Dead Cops should have been in there somewhere.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

It's a good overview, but I think you exagerate the interconnectivity to some degree. I think each band sprung out of a unique set of conditions and influences, and trying to draw a map of hardcore is a little silly.
I think you might also be exagerating the big names a little. I think the nature of local scenes is such that the bands we've never heard of were as important, if not more so than those that were picked up by the media and the punk-establishment.

Speaking of Reagan Youth - I don't think I'd call them pro-Marxist.

U-S-A for Anarchy!

Yes, there's a lot of cross polination (Spelling?), but they're not the same thing. In fact, I think this nicely exaggerates my point about punk/hardcore. Considering the movements entirely in terms of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Cliff or Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, etc.
Rather, these things grow out of certain sets of conditions, and within certain social frameworks. When we play the list list the thinkers or list the bands, we're letting the tail wag the dog.

P.S. The Neos rule.

[pandora]

IN NYC the connection was immediate because they all rehearsed in the same studios, that was half the party, the grimy studios you could hear everybody, and if they were speeding it up that put a lot of pressure to get out of the NYDoll sound, and the connection with DC was real strong because of touring bands like the Minute Men, and Rock Against Reagan in 1985. That really cemented the scene together.

I remember everyone was real aware of what other areas was doing. Although there was a disconnect between East and West Coast in terms of the Germs and Dr. Know and Cromags, but bands like Black Flag and Minor Threat went EVERYWHERE as did DK, also Decline of Western Civilization brought a lot of bands from the West Coast to the East Coast.

The touring routes were DC-Conneticut and up and down the West Coast. Some bands like X, Fear, Black Flag, DK, Murphy's Law, etc made the coast to coast trip. It was always hard for a band but came out of necessity to get a change.

Tomskin's Square Park in the 80's was an enormous influence. The police actually arrested the park after the second riot and patrolled it for two years. They are still nervous about people gathering there. It was a place of social protest since the Anarchists of the turn of the century.

Also CB's was a big meeting point. Bands would sometimes fly from England.

Sorry for missing some bands like Millions Of Dead Cops, Dave is a great guy, had him play at my house once in the old days after the police tried to shut down a show, the line of cars went a mile. He was a big influence on BOMB who were also good.

The SUBHUMANS UK should also be mentioned and many others. Anyone who hasn't heard Babes In Toyland should definately listen.