German communist revolution 1918/19

[bunk]

My history teacher said there was an unsuccessful communist revolution in Germany after the war. I don't know anything about this. Could anyone explain what happened?

[Roses in the Hospital]

I think what they're refering to was something known as the 'Ratenrepublik'(?) which was a commune set up in one of the big cities (Munich or Berlin I think) in the early days of the Weimar government. I think using the term Revolution was overstating things a little as in the grand sceme of things it was relativly small scale, only lasting a few days before it was crushed by the Friecorps under orders from the government. There was, of course, a lot of Left/Right scuffles and intrigue in that period but I think that's most likely what they're thinking of...

[BOZG]

You could be referring to both the 'German Revolution' of 1918 and the 'Sparacist Rising' of 1919. Search for information on either.



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[bunk]

thx

[RedAnarchist]

I think that Rosa Luxemberg had something to do with the Spartacists

[chebol]

Actually, there was an attempted German revolution, and the only Soviet Republic in western europe, in Bavaria, as the revolution failed to continue successfully into the 'rest 'of germany. Unfortunately, it lasted maybe 6 months before being swept away.
This, and the ructions that followed, created the confusion that led, indirectly, to the rise of the nsdap.
I'll post more when I'm lucid and have slept.

[h&s]

I think that Rosa Luxemberg had something to do with the Spartacists
She was their leader, along with Karl Liebnecht (please correct me if I'm wrong). She had nothing to do with the Sparticist uprising because, quite frankly, it was a pretty shit idea, but she had to support it once it started. Even though she was nothing to do with it, she and Karl Liebnecht were murdered by the Freikorps shortly afterwards for it.

[__ca va?]

What happened to this German revolution only proves that we will never manage to make a successful communist revolution. Not in the west, maybe in the 3rd world. But our only way to reach socialism is through a Social Democratic Party
:hammer:

[BOZG]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 10 2004, 05:22 PM
What happened to this German revolution only proves that we will never manage to make a successful communist revolution. Not in the west, maybe in the 3rd world. But our only way to reach socialism is through a Social Democratic Party
:hammer:
I nearly shit myself with this. In a thread discussing the Sparacist Uprising, an uprising that resulted in the murder of two of the most prominent communists in Germany, you're arguing for the need for a social democratic party. It was the German SPD, a social democratic party that approved of the murders of Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, the same party that Liebknecht's father had founded.

[__ca va?]

I wasn't talking about the German SPD and I've never said the German SPD was good! All I said was that revolution is not proved to be the right way to grab power. This has nothing to do with the Germans.

[Reuben]

so its ok for you to use the attemptedgerman reoovlution to discredit revolutionary menas in general terms, but its not ok for others to use the german sdp to deiscredit social democratic options generally

[__ca va?]

so its ok for you to use the attemptedgerman reoovlution to discredit revolutionary menas in general terms, but its not ok for others to use the german sdp to deiscredit social democratic options generally

I only say that there is no chance for a revolution now. Simply there wouldn't be enough people for it! The conditions are simply not good for a revolution. And the world has changed a lot since then and the only way I would want to achieve socialism is through democracy.

[h&s]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 10 2004, 04:22 PM
What happened to this German revolution only proves that we will never manage to make a successful communist revolution. Not in the west, maybe in the 3rd world. But our only way to reach socialism is through a Social Democratic Party
:hammer:
Ironic how you've used a revolutionary symbol on such a reactionary reformist post. :lol:

[__ca va?]

Ironic how you've used a revolutionary symbol on such a reactionary reformist post. laugh.gif

Well yes, I am a "reactionary" reformist :D But what I don't know is why there is no red star icon? I don't really like the hammer&sickle

[gaf]

links

1848 (http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/perspekt.htm)

1918 (http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/germany/lectures/18rev1918.html)

rosa (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSluxemburg.htm)

[Daymare17]

Here's a Marxist book analysing Germany 1918-1933 http://www.marxist.com/germany/