"To Be Attacked by the Emeny Is A Good Thing"

[Skeptic]

Mao Tse Tung said: "To be attacked by the enemy is a good thing. It means you are doing you job."

I thought that quote was appropriate because of the recent hacking assault on the Che Lives community by sinister forces.

[Rasta Sapian]

ya I can see where he was coming from, especially when he was fighting the impirial guard, but when it is the Americans attacking you better have said your prayers my friend :)

[commiecrusader]

The U.$. army is crap in terms of the training given to its troops.

Anyway I was wondering, could this have had anything to do with the U.$. elections? Did other leftist sights experience problems? Could Bu$h have been trying to suppress the leftist view as it may support Kerry (lol)? Probably a stupid idea, I dunno

[RedAnarchist]

I think someone said the hackers were based in Brazil didint they?

[Subversive Pessimist]

The U.$. army is crap in terms of the training given to its troops.



Have you even been in the US Army? How do you know?

[h&s]

The U.$. army is crap in terms of the training given to its troops
The first thing they teach the marines is how not to think for yourself-
Perfect for a brainwashed army fighting illegal wars...

[commiecrusader]

But in terms of training to deal with people, and the tactics of warfare, the UK army for instance is much better I am led to believe.

[gaf]

you wil know to win only when you can accept to loose
or the one who didn't lose don't know how to win

[cormacobear]

The U.S. army is the best equipped. Not the best trained that's for sure. I know people in the British, american, Canadian, german and Australian army, and they'll all tell you the same thing

But the size and technology make up for most shortfallings in individual training.

[redtrigger]

I thought this was about the hacking? :huh:
anyway, fuck the army, conscription is supposed to start next year in the US

[redtrigger]

if that happens i will definitley go. you can say wat you want, but nothing is worse than being a coward and dodging the draft

[WarPigs4538]

Fine for you. But i have no wish to die so that Halliburton and other companies can become rich off oil and reconstruction projects.

In any case, Mao's quote is only useful if you heed it. In my opinion September 11 proved America is not the invincible giant it likes to think it is. However The conservative element cant seem to get that concept through their thick skulls. Which makes me think, Bush did his job not renewing the assault weapons ban so with any luck someone will blow his head off with an AK47

[cormacobear]

I fail to see what is cowardly about refuseing to murder for money. Only slaves obey orders regardless of what they are. A human being is capable of deciding right from wrong on their own.It would be cowardly to obey a conscription order, for a war that is wrong.

That makes the soldier as guilty as the leader.

If an individual has any opertunuity to not kill for them it's their responsibility to take it, rather than help spread capitalism and oppression.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 03:57 AM
if that happens i will definitley go. you can say wat you want, but nothing is worse than being a coward and dodging the draft
You gotta be kidding me right? I don't see how any Marxist, or any other anti-capitalist for that matter, could possibly say this.

Just how exactly is dodging the draft "cowardly"? Resisting the draft is in no way "cowardly". It shows you stand up for your beliefs and have the guts to show how you feel about it.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 07:38 AM
But in terms of training to deal with people, and the tactics of warfare, the UK army for instance is much better I am led to believe.
The British and Australian versions of their special forces are comparitively the best in the world. Since they lack size, they concentrate on quality. Now think about the effectiveness of say the Chinese and US armies, etc then?

[Skeptic]

The Imperialist armies are paper tigers because they fight for nothing but domination and oppression. Politcally they have feeble staying power. The U.S. Marine Corps still studies the tactics of Mao Tse Tung because U.S. forces had never had their asses so thoroughly kicked as when they faced the People's Liberation Army in Korea. If you debunk the 'Saving Private Ryan' myths surrounding the USA and World War II you will find that the U.S. mostly avoided conflict and that it was the Red Army which caused 80% of casualities in Germany. Mao described the war in Europe as the Imperialists sitting on a Mountain top watching two tigers fight, those tigers were the USSR and Capitalist Germany. The U.S. forces do not have the political will to fight one one hundredth of the forces Joseph Stalin's Red Army took on. During WWII much of the real fighting and defeat of Japan in the Pacific theater was done by the Chinese. On the subject of the supreriority of U.S. technology, Huey P. Newton put a Mao quote into American jargon when he said, "The power of the people is more important than the man's technology."

These two excerpts of quotes will give you an idea of the quality and supriority of communist fighting forces (They succeed first and foremost because they mobilize the full force of the people through poltical ideology):


"In May of 1940 Hitler struck West, wiped out France and much of the British Army at Dunkirk. Then he attacked the Soviet Union in 1941. Stalin had expected it sooner or later. In 1939 Stalin had said, "We have 10 years. In 10 years we have to do what Britian did in 100 years." And there came the forced industrialization. Soviet Russia built a whole new industrial base east of the Urals. An industrial base which eventually out produced Hitler in tanks, planes and artillery. 80% of the German casualties were on the Eastern front. The scale and ferocity of the fighting was unparalled in the West, or in any modern warfare ever. There was nothing in the Western front that could compare with the battle of Stalingrad, involving millions of troops. The battle of Leningrad, with two and half million Soviets died. The battle of Kirsk involving tens of thousands of tanks. The battle of Warsaw which took two months. The battle of Berlin, with three million Soviets troops were arrayed against one and one half million German troops, with almost a million casualities by both sides." Most discussions in the west about World War II focus on the Western war which is about one fifth of the actual war and ignore, the scale and horror and heroism of the Eastern front. Most dicusssions in the West about the eve of World War II, give us the usual blather about the Hitler/Stalin pact and say little about the active collaboration of the right wing Tory Government, about the Hitler/Chamberlian pact. Just as little today is said about the active collaboration of a right wing US government with Fascists throughout the third world and with Nazis in the Republican Party and in Bush's own campaign. The Fascists are O.K. because they defend private property and corporate investment. It's the Communists that are the menace, according to those who own the world. Those of us who want Democracy might want to think about this a little more seriously."

"...As it turned out, the main way the U.S. and British allies worked to defeat Germany was through the Soviet Red Army. Military history here is very clear. Even Whiston Churchill admitted in March 1943 that for the next six months Great Britain and the United States would be "playing about" with half a dozen German divisions while Stalin was facing 185 divisions. Overall the Soviet Union suffered 20 million war-related deaths, including 7.5 million who died directly in battle. By contrast, the combined British, French and U.S. battle deaths totalled under 750,000--less than 10 percent of the Soviet figure. Simply put, the Soviet Union was responsible for the defeat of Germany."

[POFO_Communist]

Skeptic, I know what you are in pains to point out. I have many ignorant friends who haven't a clue what went on in the eastern front.
They view the soviets as peasants with pitchforks throwing themseleves at german tanks.
Even before hitler attacked, (I must say, hitler had balls) the soviets had more aircraft, more tanks, and more artillery than all the worlds forces combined at that very point in time.
And it wasn't all outdated as westerners will have you believe. It was outdated in comparison with the german equipment and tactics, but it was on par with anything the british, french or americans could pull out of their asses at the time.

Damn I hate american ww2 movies...gloryfying insignificant events and at the same time ignoring anything significant.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

back to the hacking... wtf happened, mates? I tried to get on like 2-3 times in the last week or so and it said it was down due to hacking.

[POFO_Communist]

That's exactly what happened. The site was hacked and brought down. At least no lasting damage was done.
The culprit was probably some frustrated cappie that uses this forum often.

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 10:44 AM
Skeptic, I know what you are in pains to point out. I have many ignorant friends who haven't a clue what went on in the eastern front.
They view the soviets as peasants with pitchforks throwing themseleves at german tanks.
Even before hitler attacked, (I must say, hitler had balls) the soviets had more aircraft, more tanks, and more artillery than all the worlds forces combined at that very point in time.
And it wasn't all outdated as westerners will have you believe. It was outdated in comparison with the german equipment and tactics, but it was on par with anything the british, french or americans could pull out of their asses at the time.

Damn I hate american ww2 movies...gloryfying insignificant events and at the same time ignoring anything significant.
Thanks for the good info on the state of the Soviet's military technology at the start of WWII POFO. My housemates and I laugh great bellie laughs when we see movies like 'Paton' or 'Rambo' or 'Longest Day' or 'When We Were Soldiers.' (with Mel Gibson) I have a lot of fun popping the bubbles of your average U.S. citizen when I pop off concerning U.S. WWII mythology. Just think, if they make one 'Saving Private Ryan' movie someone in the world should make 10 movies about the Eastern front just to have a little balance! And in the movie 'Stalingrad' hollywood and England (the anti-communists who wrote the movie 1984) made sure to have plenty of anti-Stalin propaganda to set the scene at the start of the movie, then they made it look like the Fascist sniper was the same as the Nazi sniper!

[POFO_Communist]

Enemy at the gates, depicting the battle of stalingrad just showed how misleading and blatantly pathetic western media has become.

Don't even get me started with American war movies. Saving Private Ryan, We were soldiers, it just gets worse and worse.
And the sad thing is most americans and the majority of western audiences have grown up watching all this hollywood trash and believing what they see.

It sickens me. Whenever I hear talk of 'enemy' propaganda, or soviet, russian propaganda, or north korean propaganda, I crack up, considering the US operates and has always operated the biggest propaganda machine since the Nazis. :lol: