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Skeptic
8th November 2004, 23:14
Arafat Slowly, Fatally Poisoned: Sources


Arafat could have been in an irreversible coma and intubated

By Abdul-Raheem Ali, IOL Staff

CAIRO, November 4 (IslamOnline.net) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat had been slowly yet fatally poisoned before being taken to a French military hospital for treatment, Palestinian sources told IslamOnline.net on Thursday, November 4.

This slow poisoning of Arafat caused problems in his blood platelets, a case which leads to continuous comas followed by a long irreversible coma and death, the sources said, on condition of anonymity.

They added that the Palestinian security bodies have opened investigations into the poisoning in Arafat, who had been confined to his presidential Ramallah compound by Israel during the last three years.

Tests have already revealed that the 75-year-old Palestinian leader has a low count of blood platelets, which are needed for clotting, but doctors are uncertain over what is causing the condition.

Mohammed Rashid, a close associate of the Palestinian leader, said earlier in the day Arafats health sometimes suffers setbacks and improves at other times _ which is the same symptoms described by the sources to IOL.

Possibly Poisoned

Meanwhile, Arafat's personal physician, Dr. Ashraf Kurdi, told Aljazeera on air that the Arafats health condition makes the poisoning a strong possibility.

Arafat's chief of staff, Ramzi Khoury, called an Associated Press reporter from Paris and told him: I am standing next to the president's bed, he is in grave condition.

French LCI television station quoted an anonymous French medical official as saying Arafat was in an irreversible coma and intubated a process that usually involves threading a tube down the windpipe to the lungs.

The tube is often connected to a life support machine to help the patient breathe.

The Israeli media reported that Arafat was brain dead but remained on life support.

Other media outlets reported that the gravely-ill Palestinian leader had died or was brain dead.

More Complex

These statements came after Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters at a summit of European leaders in Belgium that Arafat had died, but he later retracted the statement.

After Juncker's initial statement, a spokesman for the military hospital where Arafat was rushed Friday said he was still alive.

Arafat is not dead, said Christian Estripeau, head of communications for French military health services.

The clinical situation of the first few days following admission has become more complex, said Estripeau.

He gave no word whether Arafat is in coma or not. The Palestinian leader was taken to intensive care after his condition worsened.

Threats

Israel had earlier threatened to kill Arafat for repeated times. Arafat had escaped 13 assassination bids, including three poisoning attempts, according to the Palestinian sources.

Israeli Industry Minister Ehud Olmert said on September 14, that Killing Arafat is an option.

Arafat cannot continue to be a factor in the Middle East scene. His expulsion is an option, his liquidation is another option. It is also possible to confine him to prison-like conditions," Olmert, who is also deputy Prime Minister, told Israeli radio at the time.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon threatened the same day to expel Arafat from the occupied Palestinian territories.

The hawkish Premier said Arafat would be banished from the Palestinian lands at the convenient time as was the case with Hamas top leaders late sheikh Ahmad Yassin and Abdul Aziz Al-Rantissi.

Yassin and Rantissi were assassinated in an Israeli missile attacks on occupied Palestinian territories this year. Sharon even admitted personally supervising one of the two assaults.

But the statements have drawn massive intensive fire from the international community, having probably forced Israel to put the plans of assassinating Arafat on hold at that time.

Read Also:

Conflicting Reports About Arafats Health

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article07.shtml (http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-11/04/article07.shtml)

Note: Zionist propagandists say that Arafat is dying becaue of HIV.

Rasta Sapian
9th November 2004, 00:18
Arafat get well soon buddy, there are not to many palistinians who hold such a seat of respect as you buddy. From trying to bringing peace and liberty to his people at camp david, to making hundreds of political and humanitarian ideas reality this guy has made changes in a part of the world that is anything but peacefull. get well soon! ;)

Skeptic
9th November 2004, 20:06
I call him Yasser "I'm-a-rat." That billionaire chump is not a revolutoinary leader. He is the Israeli's dog, doing their bidding by selling out the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people need a devoted leader and they need Maxist Leninist Maoist strategy to fight the vile Zionists effectively.

fridabella
9th November 2004, 20:23
Well, he's dead now apparently. Good. He was never Israel's pawn. If you will recall in recent history, he never had interest in coming to an agreement with Israel. The Oslo and Camp David talks got no where. The only thing on Arafat's agenda was pushing Israel into the sea.

Reuben
9th November 2004, 23:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 08:23 PM
Well, he's dead now apparently. Good. He was never Israel's pawn. If you will recall in recent history, he never had interest in coming to an agreement with Israel. The Oslo and Camp David talks got no where. The only thing on Arafat's agenda was pushing Israel into the sea.
that is a disgusting though sadly common pakc of lies.

The Oslo and Camp David talks got no where. The only thing on Arafat's agenda was pushing Israel into the sea.

that is rubbish - the agreement at oslo was facilitated byArafat recognising Israel in 78 per cent of pre-1948 palestine. Negotiations thereafter were based on the relatively small 22 per cent which hadnt been conceded - these are not the actions of a man who wishes to drive israel into the sea and isnt interested in peace. Arafat indeed exposed himself to great criticism for the sake of pursuing an agenda of compromise - arguably to a fault.

Why did camp david get nowhere - quite simply because a completely unreasonable offer was put on the table . Note here that this was not a negotiation over palestine bute over the 22% that had not already been conceded at Oslo. At camp david Barak did not offer the right of return (and thus insissted on perpetuating the consequences of ethnic cleansing) wanted settlements to be consolidated ino israeli territoory so that the Israeli state would make deep incursions into the west bank, and wanted to retain control over the borders of palestine - a condition that no 'sovereign' state would or could accept - thus the fact that it was no basis for negotiation was not the fault of Arafat,

Get our facts straight you piece of shit.

Intifada
10th November 2004, 05:45
Exactly.

Arafat had no choice.

Every "generous" offer from the Israelis for peace has been a load of utter bullshit which would not bring justice, let alone freedom to the Palestinians, just more settlements, confiscation of Palestinian land and apartheid.

Regarding Arafat's death, if true, Marwan Barghouti should be named as the new leader.

fuerzasocialista
10th November 2004, 13:56
To say that Arafat was a rat is complete bullshit. I mean thats just plain stupidity.

Invader Zim
10th November 2004, 13:58
Who cares? yet another asshole leader goung to his diserved death.

So sad. :rolleyes:

h&s
10th November 2004, 15:21
I think the hospital have ruled out any possiblity of him being poisoned now, but they are blaming Israel for interning him in his compound for the past 2 years for destroying his health.

The Palestinian people need Maxist Leninist Maoist strategy to fight the vile Zionists effectively.
Whats wrong with just a Marxist strategy?

redstar2000
11th November 2004, 13:20
For good or ill, it's evident that Arafat personified the cause of Palestinian nationalism for many decades.

What's interesting to me is that Israeli politicians seem to think that Palestinian rebellion will "cease" if only they kill enough "leaders". (This is also one of America's strategies in Iraq.)

Perhaps there was a time when that would have worked...but in the "information age" it is a total exercise in futility.

I am not sufficiently familiar with Palestinian politics to speculate on who will "replace him"...but I would bet the rent money that it will be someone or some group even more intransigent in their resistance to Israeli imperialism.

And I would even venture to "predict" that Palestinian resistance will soon erupt on a significant scale within Israel itself...Sharon's arrogance has painted the "Jewish State" into a very tight corner indeed.

It will get even tighter.

:redstar2000:

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refuse_resist
12th November 2004, 04:32
Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 10 2004, 03:21 PM
Whats wrong with just a Marxist strategy?
What's wrong with a little Leninism and Maoism to go with it? *snickers* :D

Colombia
12th November 2004, 15:04
The guy was a terrorist. Can anyone provide a link that says Arafat was poisoned by Israel besides from a PRO-Islam website?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah

PRC-UTE
12th November 2004, 18:31
The guy was a terrorist.

I have a lot of disagreements with Arafat, as I support the PFLP and not al Fatah, but to say he is a terrorist is parroting capitalist propaganda.

Colombia
13th November 2004, 03:39
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 06:31 PM

I have a lot of disagreements with Arafat, as I support the PFLP and not al Fatah, but to say he is a terrorist is parroting capitalist propaganda.
What makes it capitalistic though?

ComradeChris
13th November 2004, 04:55
I heard on the news just a few minutes ago, Bush and Blair made remarks that they would only help Palestinians if they create a democracy with the aid of Isreal. Well, that's a screwed up ultimatum isn't it? Let your enemies create your democracy for you. Sheesh!

KrazyRabidSheep
13th November 2004, 06:08
rotflmfao, what's with the poison theory? he was old! old people have health problems! often they have blood problems! old people die!

if someone wanted him dead, they wouldnt have slowly killed him, he would have died slowly anyway.

if someone wanted to kill him, they'd do it quickly. you can kill somebody quickly AND discretely, you know

he well exceeded his life expectancy, he was a high profile figure involved in contriversial issues. . .it's amazing that nobody had shot him in the head yet

hawarameen
13th November 2004, 20:54
if you ever want to kill someones reputation proclaim they are gay!
well done

he was not a terrorist, he was a freedom fighter, israel could also equally be called terrorist, and also homosexual too!

Skeptic
13th November 2004, 20:55
Now we are getting a wave of rightwing (World net Daily no less)Zionist propaganda and filth from Israel as a form of damage control for the world outpouring of support during Arafat's funeral. It was too politically explosive for the the Israeli military or assassins to outright shoot Arafat. One reason he died was that Israel kept him imprisoned in a bombed out compound for three years surround by Zionist Tanks so he couldn't be flown out earlier for medical treatment in Europe. I wonder why the moderators don't put this last post in the 'trash can.' The ugly propaganda refers to homosexuals as howling like henyas, and says that you should have to feel like taking a shower after kissing an Arab. This is the kind of vile propaganda, racism and homophobia you would have seen from the Nazi press.

KrazyRabidSheep
14th November 2004, 04:26
The ugly propaganda refers to homosexuals as howling like henyas, and says that you should have to feel like taking a shower after kissing an Arab. This is the kind of vile propaganda, racism and homophobia you would have seen from the Nazi press.

Thank you very much. If you hadn't posted this before me, I would have

This forum would be no better then the right wingst, facists, etc. if we didn' tolerate different people. Ernesto Guavara was a revolutionary, rebel, left wingest: but first and foremost, a humanitarian. So what if Arafat was gay? How does that make him a better/worse person?

Look people, you don't have to like them, but please accept and tolerate them.


if you ever want to kill someones reputation proclaim they are gay!
well done
Unfortunately, this is quite true. I don't agree, but most people do.

This is one of the issues in the world that I think will be addressed soon. Just like the civil rights movement, women's sufferage, etc, in this next century homosexual rights will take off. One by one every minority is standing up for themselves, and the world is a little better every time. With Bush in office, gays are going to be oppressed, so it is their turn.

zicofirol
14th November 2004, 17:04
The rumor that he was gay, comes form not only Israel intilligence but from the book by Lt.-Gen. Ion Pacepa, former head of Romanian intelligence under Nicolae Ceausescu among other sources:

In his book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895265702/qid=1064412785/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-5202049-1759819?v=glance&s=books) the former head of Romanian intelligence Lt.-Gen. Ion Pacepa wrote that they had caught Arafat with bodyguard and other men.

In fact it is believed that Russia used this to blackmail Arafat, and about Arafat being gay, it was well known in the KGb that Arafat was gay, according to the Kgb.

But like I said in my first post If he was gay it does not matter, unless you are a muslim supporter of Arafat who hated homosexuals that is why it will never be know what he died from.

The world would not care if he was gay, his supporters would.
I was responding to the ridiculous claim(which has already been ruled out by french doctors and by palestinian officials) that Arafat was poisoned by Israel.

And on Arafat, he had a wealth of about $300 million, alot of it which came from donationa nd aid that was suppose to go to the palestinian people, this is a fact, you can look on forbes for him on the richest kings, leaders...

Reuben
14th November 2004, 18:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:55 PM
Now we are getting a wave of rightwing (World net Daily no less)Zionist propaganda and filth from Israel as a form of damage control for the world outpouring of support during Arafat's funeral. It was too politically explosive for the the Israeli military or assassins to outright shoot Arafat. One reason he died was that Israel kept him imprisoned in a bombed out compound for three years surround by Zionist Tanks so he couldn't be flown out earlier for medical treatment in Europe. I wonder why the moderators don't put this last post in the 'trash can.' The ugly propaganda refers to homosexuals as howling like henyas, and says that you should have to feel like taking a shower after kissing an Arab. This is the kind of vile propaganda, racism and homophobia you would have seen from the Nazi press.
your right i would be doing nmy job better if i did get rid of this shit.

This is a politics forum- not a forum for tabloid-like rumours with homophobic overtones.

no more stupid discussion on his sexuality.

Skeptic
16th November 2004, 20:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 03:04 PM
The guy was a terrorist. Can anyone provide a link that says Arafat was poisoned by Israel besides from a PRO-Islam website?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah
'I Think Arafat Was Poisoned'

12/11/2004

Amman - A leading Jordanian neurologist who regularly examined Yasser Arafat said on Friday that poisoning was the "highest" probable cause of the Palestinian leader's mysterious death and urged that an autopsy be performed.

"One of the causes of platelet deficiency is poison," said Dr Ashraf al-Kurdi, who examined a gravely ill Arafat in his besieged compound in the West Bank town of Rammallah two weeks ago.

Arafat died on Thursday in Paris, where he had flown on October 29 for treatment after tests indicated he had a low count of blood platelets, components that help clotting.

Although "not definitive, I believe the highest reason for Arafat's mysterious death is poisoning," al-Kurdi told The Associated Press in an interview on Friday.

"Therefore, there should be an autopsy performed," added al-Kurdi, who had been Arafat's personal physician for the last two decades.

There has been widespread speculation that Arafat could have been poisoned by Israel. Neither doctors nor Palestinian leaders have said what caused Arafat's death after days in a coma at a Paris hospital.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom on Thursday dismissed allegations that Israel killed Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat as "scandalous and false."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,...1620286,00.html (http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,6119,2-10-1462_1620286,00.html)