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T_SP
8th November 2004, 17:25
Well,well America. It seems too many Americans were fooled by Bushes perpetual BS and voted for the idiot again!! This is the man who was pictured reading a book upside down, fell off some thing that it was supposedly impossible to do so, and yet this Jerry Lewis character is once again President? God it's laughable!! Well you have more war to look forward to no doubt, I wonder where TWAT ( The War Against Terror) will strike next? Probably the UK :lol:

Fidelbrand
8th November 2004, 17:59
Kerry was a much better choice than this piece of shit.....

The Garbage Disposal Unit
8th November 2004, 18:08
Kerry was by no means a better choice, but it would have been nice if the 30% (About half of the 60% turn out) of eligible voters who supported Bush had at least registered some sort of protest, some sort of anger, by voting for tweedle-dee.

Of course, given touch screen voting machines, maybe some of them did.

In any case, I have hope - about 70% of eligible voters, and, naturally, everyone prevented from voting, didn't consent to be governened by that moron. I hope some of them go a step further, and actively refuse.

Czolgosz had a vision!!!

cathatonix
8th November 2004, 18:16
Some reporter asked Gore Vidal before the election:
-What will happend if Bush wins?
He answered:
-A new world war.
The reporter asked:
-And what will happend if Kerry wins?
The answer, after some hesitation:
-A new world war.

Sounds great.
Who voted for Nader? Anyone?

T_SP
8th November 2004, 18:19
About 330,000 did I think! If I was a U$ citizen he'd have got my vote! :D

Hate Is Art
8th November 2004, 18:19
Kerry's war will be covered up better though, with less friendly fire.

Fidelbrand
8th November 2004, 18:25
I knew I would be disagreed upon, but didn't knew it would be that soon.

Kerry is more sympathetic towards the unpriviledged class (lower tax for them, stand Up for workers rights, etc.); medicare reforms, education reforms, more environmentally-friendly and energy-saving plans (enact a conservation covenant) are proposed by him.

We won't get anywhere if we keep our ardency in excluding people out who have the compassions and sensibilities similar to that what we do. Who wants a leftist / Marxist version of "Either you are with us, or you are with them."
He is a way better choice than the capitalist enshrined imperialist - Bush.

RedAnarchist
8th November 2004, 18:33
If you take away all those who are ineligible to vote, those who didint and those who voted Democrat, you would see that only 27% of the US population actually voted for Bush. So, he didnt win the popular vote at all!

T_SP
8th November 2004, 18:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 08:25 PM
I knew I would be disagreed upon, but didn't knew it would be that soon.

Kerry is more sympathetic towards the unpriviledged class (lower tax for them, stand Up for workers rights, etc.); medicare reforms, education reforms, more environmentally-friendly and energy-saving plans (enact a conservation covenant) are proposed by him.

We won't get anywhere if we keep our ardency in excluding people out who have the compassions and sensibilities similar to that what we do. Who wants a leftist / Marxist version of "Either you are with us, or you are with them."
He is a way better choice than the capitalist enshrined imperialist - Bush.
I think your ideas about Kerry are seriously marred!! He is, inaffect, Bush, only running as a democrat the differences between to the 2 are very slight Kerry is still very pro big business and the reforms he would make would merely mean cuts elsewhere.

Fidelbrand
8th November 2004, 18:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 02:37 AM
I think your ideas about Kerry are seriously marred!! He is, inaffect, Bush, only running as a democrat the differences between to the 2 are very slight Kerry is still very pro big business and the reforms he would make would merely mean cuts elsewhere.
Educate me on how he is "very pro big business".
As regards to the reforms, it was much rumoured that he would cut the big fat bellies of the rich to account for the costs incurred.

T_SP
8th November 2004, 18:48
Well, he'd have got your vote by the sound of it! So a good tactic to get elected I'd say, shame Bush got back in really!

T_SP
8th November 2004, 18:50
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 08:46 PM
Educate me on how he is "very pro big business".
As regards to the reforms, it was much rumoured that he would cut the big fat bellies of the rich to account for the costs incurred.
Kerry & Big business (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2004/368/index.html?id=np4.htm)

And another (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2004/339/index.html?id=pp4.htm)

I don't think Kerry would bite the hand that feeds him do you?

Fidelbrand
8th November 2004, 18:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 02:48 AM
Well, he'd have got your vote by the sound of it! So a good tactic to get elected I'd say, shame Bush got back in really!

extra post, sorry.
delete as you wish.

Fidelbrand
8th November 2004, 18:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 02:50 AM
Kerry & Big business (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2004/368/index.html?id=np4.htm)

I don't think Kerry would bite the hand that feeds him do you?
thanks for the info.

this is quoted from Kerry's own wordings.
"The measure of a strong economy is a growing middle-class where every American has a chance to work and an opportunity to succeed.
In America, a rising tide is supposed to lift all boats. But today, Americans are working harder, earning less, and paying more for health care, college, and taxes. Corporate profits are soaring, the government keeps expanding, but the opportunities for our middle-class are shrinking. "

well, its all about guessing, both me and you, now he's out, bit hard to testify. :(

T_SP
8th November 2004, 19:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 08:54 PM
well, its all about guessing, both me and you, now he's out, bit hard to testify. :(
Very true!


Unfortunatly the two party system only allows those with the highest funded campaigns to get anywhere!!
Imagine if Nader had, had the funding Bush and Kerry had! We may have seen a very different result.

I added another link FB did you see it?

Fidelbrand
8th November 2004, 19:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 03:03 AM
Very true!


Unfortunatly the two party system only allows those with the highest funded campaigns to get anywhere!!
Imagine if Nader had, had the funding Bush and Kerry had! We may have seen a very different result.

I added another link FB did you see it?
yup, I read, thanks. :)

Some questions:
So, how in the first incidence that he can take millions from corporate America when he is fully fighting for the middle/lower classes?

A nation-wide deceit as an aftermath after he is elected and unmask his veil of benevolence? Does that work?

PRC-UTE
8th November 2004, 19:20
I'm not sorry that Kerry wasn't elected but I was sad that there were so many votes for Bush.

Did anyone else notice that the media called it for Bush before literally hundreds of thousands of votes were counted in several key states that were close (florida, ohio, etc)?

I'm glad to say that the candidate supported by the IRSM, POW Leonard Peltier, collected over 22,000 votes his way!!

I recieved this by email and you might find it interesting. Like Redstar2000's been saying, it's not possible to elect a reformist party anymore.


The main author of the email below is my nephew, Ryan. He went to Miami
to volunteer for Kerry and to help get people to vote. As sure as I am
breathing, I can assure you that Ryan is INCAPABLE of not telling the
truth. This needs some press. I know it sounds bold but if the below is
accurate (and coming from Ryan, I don't know how it could _not_ be) Florida
needs to re-vote.

Begin forwarded message:

On The Front Lines in Florida

Spurred by the unwillingness of the
broadcast media to report voting problems during the 2004 election race,
we want to alert our friends, family and colleagues to the widespread
voter suppression and disenfranchisement that occurred in Broward County,
Florida. We staffed the emergency hotline for the Kerry Campaign
Headquarters in Broward County from late October through the election. All
of us were devastated by the margin of Bush's win in Florida, particularly
since polls predicted the race would be extremely close.

Many of the calls to our hotline were from voters who had pressed the
"Kerry" button on their electronic voting screen, only to have "Bush" light
up as the candidate they had chosen. In some cases, this would happen
repeatedly until about the 5th or 6th time the voter pressed "Kerry" and
eventually his name would light up. In other cases, the voters pushed
"Kerry" but were later asked to confirm their "Bush" vote.

We had calls about a road block, put up by the police at 7am on November 2,
which blocked road access to two precinct locations in majority black
districts. There was no justification for the road block -- no accident or
crime scene or construction.

Many of our calls dealt with voter suppression, or manipulation, of the
Haitian population -- occurrences which seem too numerous, and their
targets too indefensible as primarily poor first-time-voter Creole-speaking
refugees, to be anything but systemic. In one example, a voter whose hands
were bandaged could not press the touch-screen himself; he asked the
nonpartisan election official to press "Kerry" for him, but the election
official pressed "Bush" and sent his vote immediately into the
machine. Many, many others were denied the right to vote and were not
given provisional ballots, while others were refused assistance at the
polls, even though provisional ballots and voter assistance are legal
rights. Others were told they had already voted and were turned away,
although they had never voted previously. This latter experience was a
complaint not isolated to Haitians but also included other surprised voters
with no recourse except their word against that of the Supervisor of Elections.

We spoke with hundreds of voters who were certain they had registered to
vote in the past 6 months, well before the October 18 deadline, but were
not on the rolls. And those were just the people who had the information
to contact us.

The local paper, citing the Supervisor of Elections office as its source,
told all people voting by absentee ballot that they could turn in ballots
by hand to any of its seven offices by 5pm on Tuesday, November 2. Every
single one of those offices except one was closed on Tuesday.

We had numerous calls from voters on November 2 whose precincts had closed,
yet the Supervisor of Elections office had given voters no notification of
the closure, and no notification of where to go to vote. Thousands of
people were likely disenfranchised because of inexcusable mishaps such as this.

We had many calls from people who had been harassed by poll workers, who
were turned away without being allowed the right to vote provisionally
(another breech of voter rights). Other people were turned away because the
address on their drivers license did not match the address on their voter
registration card; again, this is in direct violation of election law.

All of these problems do not even take into account the 58,000 absentee
ballots that had been "lost" by the Supervisor of Elections, in perhaps the
most Democratic county in the state, disenfranchising thousands of people
who were disabled, out of the country, or elderly and unable get to the
polls. These events, and many others, have been documented and also
reported to lawyers, but we fear they will not get the attention they
deserve. This is what we witnessed in just one county. We believe that
these "voting irregularities" raise serious concerns about the legitimacy
of the results in Florida, and more broadly, about the health of democracy
in this country. Please circulate this widely.

Libby Anker [email protected]
Ryan Centner [email protected]
Jill Greenlee [email protected]
Rachel Van Sickle-Ward [email protected]
Ryan Centner PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
University of California, Berkeley

T_SP
8th November 2004, 19:22
Okay lets look at the flip-side, Bush who did get voted in said this:


Because we have done the hard work, we are entering a season of hope. We'll continue our economic progress. We'll reform our outdated tax code. We'll strengthen the Social Security for the next generation. We'll make public schools all they can be. And we will uphold our deepest values of family and faith.

We will help the emerging democracies of Iraq and Afghanistan, so they can grow in strength and defend their freedom. And then our servicemen and women will come home with the honor they have earned. With good allies at our side, we will fight this war on terror with every resource of our national power so our children can live in freedom and in peace.


Hell on the strength of this I'd vote for him!! But it's all just political propaganda, empty promises that Bush will not deliver on, why is Kerry any different?


Full Article (http://www.rnc.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=5048)

Commie Girl
8th November 2004, 19:45
Gwyn Dyer, a prominent Military Historian, says Bu$h has laid the foundations for WWIII....People get the leader they deserve, we will be watching the show from the sidelines, waiting for the next attack on the U$...Maybe they need to be hit harder to clue in that their foreign policy is directly responsible for what is happening today. Along with power is supposed to come responsilbilty...the U$ population is ignorant and driven by fear.

Kerry is no better than Bu$h....just look at his attitude toward Cuba Source (http://www.cubasource.org/publications/chronicles/coc200410us_e.asp)and the illegal embargo, which, for the 13th straight year, was condemned by the UN and was passed 179 to 4....details (http://www0.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=12377&Cr=cuba&Cr1=)

On a lighter note, looks like quite a few U$ers are unhappy with the so-called election! We will accwpt all political refugees!
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