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Skeptic
26th October 2004, 20:05
<<Dear ICSN Friends & Contacts:

Last night, Monday, October 25, on television, Entertainment Tonight aired a
segment that included a portion of a recent interview with former President
Bill Clinton. I believe he was being interviewed by Diane Sawyer and they
were talking about his operation. He stated that he had a near death
experience on the operating table as the medical team administered
anesthesia. He described what sounded like a life review. He said he has
no fear of death and that the experience was profound and made quite an
impression on him.>>

Let&#39;s see, Bill Clinton was the principal advocate and orchestrator for killer sanctions on Iraq which murdered over 1.5 million people (almost all children under the age of 5). Bill Clinton ordered the slow massacre murders, of over 80 multicultural church believers in Waco, Texas (many of the murder victims were children). Bill Clinton ended welfare as we know it. Bill Clinton waged vicious counter insurgency in Peru and Columbia overseeing the torture and murder of large swathes of people. He has a near death experience, had a life review (must have been agonizing), and he has no fear of what awaits him after his death?&#33; Proves there&#39;s no such thing as hell.

Sabocat
26th October 2004, 20:30
Not near enough in my opinion.

Skeptic
26th October 2004, 21:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 07:30 PM
Not near enough in my opinion.
Hee, hee couldn&#39;t say it better myself D.

Xvall
26th October 2004, 21:53
He was trippin&#39;.

Invader Zim
26th October 2004, 23:38
sanctions on Iraq which murdered over 1.5 million people (almost all children under the age of 5).

Now I dont like the US or Clinton, but that statements utter bullshit,. I dont know where you got your figures, but it sure look likes out your ass.

Skeptic
27th October 2004, 01:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:38 PM
sanctions on Iraq which murdered over 1.5 million people (almost all children under the age of 5).

Now I dont like the US or Clinton, but that statements utter bullshit,. I dont know where you got your figures, but it sure look likes out your ass.
Enigma where have you been for the last dozen years? Haven&#39;t you been paying attention?

Subj: Details on the Genocidal U.S. sanctions on Iraq
Date: 10/18/01

Phyllis Bennis on KPFA FM&#39;s, &#39;Living Room&#39; Show analyzing President Clinton&#39;s election campaign phone call to Amy Goodman of Pacifica&#39;s WBAI &#39;Democracy Now&#33;&#39; Program:

"...For contracts requested by Iraq: Iraq after selling its oil says &#39;we want to buy this kind of food, this kind of machinery to rebuild the oil infrastructure, this kind of water purification goods&#39;, whatever it is. Over two billion dollars worth of those contracts are on hold, in the sanction committee of the United Nations by the U.S., who says we are not going to allow this contract for this reason, we&#39;re not going to allow that contract for that reason, often claiming this idea of what they call dual use concerns. That, for example, something that is used to purify water, could be used to purify water for the military. Soldiers have to drink too so the U.S. says you can&#39;t do that. Or something that could be used to manufacture vaccines, could also be used to manufacture germ warfare. Instead of saying there is a particular concern about that, the United Nations has 300 international staff whose job it is to do nothing but monitor the end use of stuff, food medicine, equipment, whatever, that goes into Iraq. If there is a particular concern about a particular contract, have them pay special attentions to it. Make sure, that if its to purify water, it gets used to purify water and doesn&#39;t get used to make germ warfare. You don&#39;t have to keep it out all together. That is just not on the U.S. agenda.

So President Clinton was really misleading about that. The other thing that was extraordinarily misleading, was when he tried to make the analogy how Iraq is now earning as much money as it did in 1989. But now it can use all that money for food and medicine. In 1989 out of the 18 billion that it earned in oil revenues, it used 13 billion dollars of that money to buy weapons. Well, there, what an astonishing statement. First of all, the U.S. and its allies were the main providers of weapons to Iraq during that period, we should not forget, including the seed stock for biological warfare. But aside for that virtually entire &#036;13 billion dollars worth of weapons purchased for Iraq in all those years of the 1980s was purchased on credit. Mainly from Kuwait. It was Kuwait&#39;s demand for quick payment, expedited payment for those billions of dollars, that was one of the tensions that led to Iraq&#39;s invasion of Kuwait. No to justify it, that was clearly a violation of international law. But nonetheless, those dollars that were earned that year were spend on education and medical structure of the country and all the usual things that governments spend money on. The money that was used to buy weapons was on credit. Iraq was heavily, heavily indebted as a result of those weapons sales. The U.S. could have cut off those weapon sales by cutting off the suppliers. They didn&#39;t choose to do that.

President Clinton didn&#39;t mention any of this. He also didn&#39;t mention that 30% of all the oil for food money goes directly to the compensation fund in Geneva, that is paying against claims made against Iraq after the war. These days entirely from U.S. and European based oil companies and the Kuwaiti royal family. So now we&#39;re faced with &#036;30 out of every &#036;100 that Iraq earns for oil for food money doesn&#39;t go to hungry children, it goes to the Kuwaiti Emir. Who knows what the Emir uses the money for, probably to buy more gold plated facets in his bathroom. It is not going to feed children in Kuwait."

5,000 Iraqi children are being starved to death every month. This has gone on for the last decade. That&#39;s 200 children a day.

Invader Zim
27th October 2004, 09:29
Ohh I dont deny that there was a famine caused by Clinton, but the fact is it is estimated that under half of those killed in the embargo were children not "nearly all".

The reason such wild claims as to child deaths are so high is because they use pre-war child mortality statistics.

http://www.comw.org/pda/0310rm8.html#N_93_

If your going to chat crap, then do try reseaching it first, and not just listening to some random Radio show.

Skeptic
27th October 2004, 22:24
Thanks for the link Enigma.