Rage vs Audioslave

[Latifa]

I'm still bitter about Zack la Rocha leaving Rage. I am more bitter about Audioslave, a right waste of the boys' ( Tom Commerford, Brad Wilk & the mighty Tom Morrello ) talent playing for ( In my opinion ) a crappy band like Audioslave. Also would anyone think that Rage was pro-socialist? They seem very anti-capitalist.

[Poop]

Rage is much better, imo.


Also would anyone think that Rage was pro-socialist? They seem very anti-capitalist.
Umm, they're openly socialist. Took a look at their reading list (http://www.ratm.com/new2/action/readinglist.html).

[Latifa]

Hmm, I'll get started soon. I have only read the Lorax :lol:

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I completely agree with you, latifa. Their talent is being wasted in Audioslave. They used to be great musicians rebelling fro a great cause and not pandering to crappy radio pop shit standards. Now they’re making really crappy music about god and shit. Chris Cornell may be a good vocalist, but Audoslave is shit. Complete shit.

Not that Rage was ever a particularly great band, musically speaking, but at least they were a hell of al lot better than Audioslave and always had something worthwhile to say.

[Invader Zim]

Rap metal bands suck by definition, Rage are no exception.

[king Royale]

Rap metal bands suck by definition, Rage are no exception

They are not rap-metal. they will do rap songs with a rap beat (provided by instruments) or a rock song. They kicked ass.

Funny thing is I have read over half of their readingl list (most without knowing that they were on their list.)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

But in some case, enigma, regular rock is even worse. have you ever heard Audioslave? I'd rather shit bricks than listen to Audioslave.

[DaCuBaN]

Rage sucked, it only follows that Audioslave suck. Chris Cornell isn't even an especially good singer, and his voice really doesn't work over the "rage" sound.

Can someone add a neither option to this poll?

[truthaddict11]

audioslave are much better than Rage Against the Machine because of Cornell, but niether were as good as Soundgarden.

[The Forum Idiot]

Good point. I like Audioslave and what I've heard of RATM isn't that great. Soundgarden were good though I've not listened to them enough to judge.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by king [email protected] 24 2004, 02:02 AM

They are not rap-metal. they will do rap songs with a rap beat (provided by instruments) or a rock song. They kicked ass.

Funny thing is I have read over half of their readingl list (most without knowing that they were on their list.)
Err yeah they are, have you ever heard Rage Against The Machine?

Like songs like Wake up and Bulls on Parade are a classic example of metal songs, they have just been defaced with Rap. They would have been a great instrumental songs. But it was ruined with rap.


have you ever heard Audioslave?

Yeah, I've got their album.

I'd rather shit bricks than listen to Audioslave.

Well they aren't bad, not as good as Led Zep, the beatles, The stones, etc.

They also aren't as good as Joe Satriani.

but niether were as good as Soundgarden.

Sound Garden are good.

[che's long lost daughter]

I have always been an RATM fan and it broke my heart when Zack left the group, more so when the rest of them let Cornell join in. Cornell has a great voice but Zack's voice is powerful.

[Thomas]

Ghost of Tom joad, listen to that song. That personifies Rages abilities and talents, also Ashes in the Fall, both of these with Zach on full form and the band being their usual amazing selves.

Audioslave are good but I never got into the flow, always sounded a bit dodgy to me.

[king Royale]

Err yeah they are, have you ever heard Rage Against The Machine?
Yes, I have all of their albums. You are right about those songs. What I said wasn't entirely true, but I don't understand why rap pollutes the song. I believe the sounds work awesomely together.

Also Audioslave sucks. They have one song that is entirely about god (which is fine in itself, but not when it includes former RATM mebers).

[refuse_resist]

RATM, hands down.

[Latifa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 10:09 AM
Err yeah they are, have you ever heard Rage Against The Machine?

Like songs like Wake up and Bulls on Parade are a classic example of metal songs, they have just been defaced with Rap. They would have been a great instrumental songs. But it was ruined with rap.


have you ever heard Audioslave?

Yeah, I've got their album.

I'd rather shit bricks than listen to Audioslave.

Well they aren't bad, not as good as Led Zep, the beatles, The stones, etc.

They also aren't as good as Joe Satriani.

but niether were as good as Soundgarden.

Sound Garden are good.
The rap is not 'polluting' the metal, they are playing rap metal, which is not to everyones taste. Audioslave plays meek religious rock which is also not to everyones taste, especially not mine.

You are right, Led Zep and the Stones are better, but RATM is still very good. I disagree when you say Soundgarden was better though, I like RATM better.

[Invader Zim]

What I said wasn't entirely true

Understatement of the week...

but I don't understand why rap pollutes the song.

Because its just shit, its so bad. It does absolutly nothing for me, except give me a fucking headache.

They have one song that is entirely about god

And?

I like RATM better.

I have something in the region of 15 GB of music on my hard drive, and I have some real shit. Believe me, shit like Dashboard Confessional (yes I am ashamed), but none of it is worse than Rage Against the Machine (which for some reason i have 4 albums including a live one) and I can honestly say that. I have yet to here more than 3 Rage Against the Machine songs which I actually like, insidentally they are all on their first album.

[Comrade BNS]

I just love it when people argue oppinions! lol....keep it up!

Comrade BNS

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Enigma
Like songs like Wake up and Bulls on Parade are a classic example of metal songs, they have just been defaced with Rap.

Though I really like RATM, I agree with this. I even like these songs, but the rap elements seems (though add more revolutionary lyrics) detract from the anger built up in the song.

Rap metal isn't a great genre, but that fact is, RATM are not a stright out rap metal band. They are actually better described as alternative metal (with rap elements), as they varying things quite alot. I would even contest someone to find a band that is remotely close to similar overall to RATM (musicplasma.com doesn't have anyway band very close to them).

Songs like War within a breath, Street Fighting Man and Bulls on parade are all somewhat contrasting songs.

I don't like Audioslave. Not a Cornell fan I'm afraid. And I'm bitter about him replacing Zack (however technically that might be incorrect).

And by the way, I don't hold Zack entirely at fault for leaving, as certain factors from the other members did influence him for good reason. I probably would have done the same (except not take as long as him to release a solo project).

[The Forum Idiot]

Could people stop dissing rap? I ain't exactly a rap fan but it ain't all bad. Run DMC and Public Enemy are pretty good.

[Palmares]

They (including I) are not dissing rap itself, but rather dissing its fusion with metal: rap metal. Though rap metal can be good (ie IMO, RATM) but they two genres are better by themselves then with each other.

There are alot more good rappers than just Run DMC and Public Enemy (I'm too lazy to say who).

[The Forum Idiot]

I know, but they're the only good ones I've heard.

[Scott M]

having had the utmost pleasure of meeting Zack Tom and co, after watching them destroy Mexico City, there is absolutely no contest.

scott

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 27 2004, 07:44 AM
Could people stop dissing rap? I ain't exactly a rap fan but it ain't all bad. Run DMC and Public Enemy are pretty good.
I have no problem with rap, on its own, I can handle it, i dont have a burning desire to rip my ears off. Rap Metal on the other hand is pure unadulterated shit.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I agree that rap metal tends to be pretty shitty. But most mainstream metal is pretty bad too. As is most mainstream music in general these days.

What puts Rage ahead of Audioslave for me is the fact that Rage is politically and socially progressive and they don't pander to pop-rock radio standards like Audioslave. I frankly feel like sticking large sharp objects into my ear when i hear Audioslave.

It's a shame that those fellas' talents are being wasted.

[king Royale]

Rap metal as a genre completely sucks. RATM reall doesn't fit into any genre. I look on my mp3 player at the genres that it lists for RATM and they vary so much for each song.

Dashboard Confessional better than RATM...Holy SHit. :o

[FatFreeMilk]

Rage is way better as far as lyrical content goes, but audislave is just a tiny bit better when it gets to sound quality.Tiny bit. If rage and audioslave were playing at the same time on the radio, I'd keep it on RATM. I like them both a lot.

[Ziggy]

i nulled my vote, each band had a different purpose and so one is better than the other is a hard argument to make. Audioslave is not my favourite band, actually probably doesnt even make the top 100 but its not crap as some of you have said. They just made music, no meaning in it but just something to listen to and enjoy. RATM was socially active, they made music to open eyes but sometimes musically it left much to be desired.

[The Forum Idiot]

Yea, Ziggy hit it bang on. Audioslave are enjoyable and that's what they're for. RATM was about left wing stuff, Soundgarden were about stuff like the decline of music and proto-grunge and Audioslave is just about words I've never heard before (Cochise). :P

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

RATM was socially active, they made music to open eyes but sometimes musically it left much to be desired.

And Audioslave doesn't?
Both have poor musical quality, but Rage has good lyrics and doesn't pander to pop-rock radio standards. So Rage wins.

[niwi]

Audioslave are pretty crappy from what I have heard, which is admittedly not that much.


They just made music, no meaning in it but just something to listen to and enjoy.

This is the definition of pointless to me.

[Rockfan]

As a drummer who knows a bit about guitar, bass etc i would have 2 say that the rage boys have done well with brad driveing the band cas good as every wif his other partner in crime tim who dosent really get much chance 2 sine but keeps a solid beat. And the master of guitar effects, tom, is still producing some of the best solos around.

personally i like rage better, zack was great but chris is a more tradinal rock singer, but im sure if Audioslave had more stuff that i may rate them of par with rage, but never over.

Its is aslo so hard starting a band in the situation they were in 2. aloot of bands have been together since high school and offten have tons of songs aswell as covers under there belt but to makie a band out of the ashes of another isnt an easy task. Just like alterbridge dose any1 here like them cos there way better than creed and with out scott we dnt have those leather pants lol

[praxis1966]

*sigh* Here we go again. It never ceases to amaze me how many people call themselves leftists around here yet don't hesitate to flap off at the mouth about how horrible Rage is. The fact is, they made socially conscious music commercially viable for the first time since the 1970s, Public Enemy excepted of course. Those guys practically created the mass consciousness that is now so prevalent. Between the Free Tibet concerts, the Mumia Abu Jamal benefits, and the protests at the RNC in 2000, I don't know how anybody can fault them. No matter what your stylistic qualms with them may be.

To say that "Rap metal bands suck by definition, Rage are no exception" just says to me that you weren't paying close enough attention. With procedural nods to Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Public Enemy, they basically invented the genre and in the process perfected it.

In any event, let me break it down for you piece by piece. Zack is probably the best lyricist in the business, with Maynard James Keenan somewhere in the neighborhood. Wilk does with a four piece drum kit what most can't with a 12. Tim Of-Many-Last-Names does some fairly innovative work on bass. But most of all, I would venture to say that if Jimi Hendrix were alive today, he'd be doing the same sort of stuff that Tom did when he was with Rage. Like Jimi, Tom learned his scales, perfected his technique, and then went experimental. In my view, he is something akin to Les Claypool in this respect. I mean, who else but Morello could take one chord (an F# if I'm not mistaken) and turn it into a whole song (Bulls on Parade)?

[Invader Zim]

Praxis you chat crap, Rage most certainly did not make "socially conscious music commercially viable for the first time since the 1970s", there are plenty of bands who made music which was both politically, socialy and economically conscious, who were around the same time, and made it big before RATM, and probably more commercially successful.

The Cranberries were also making commercially viable music many with major reference to the social and political climate. Look at U2 they may be whiney religious rubbish, but they were releasing songs such as Sunday Bloody Sunday, with huge commercial success in the middle of the 80's.

Or perhaps you only want to know about revolutionary politically conscious bands? Take the Manic Street Preachers then, who formed before RATM, and were releasing decent records before RATM even released their demo tape.

With procedural nods to Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Public Enemy,

All of whom suck.

Zack is probably the best lyricist in the business

Bullshit, Zack writes revolutionary, yet totally unsubtle lyrics with no deaper meaning than what you hear. The fact that you even think of compairing him to the Likes of Maynard Keenan is shocking.


Opiate

Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
like me,
like me.

If you want to get your soul to heaven,
trust in me.
Don't judge or question.
You are broken now,
but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.

My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.

Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me with your light
and your lies.







If hospitals cure
then prisons must bring their pain
do not be ashamed to slaughter
the centre of humanity is cruelty
there is never redemption
any fool can regret yesterday
nail it to the House of Lords
You will be buried in the same box as a killer, as a killer, as a killer
a drained white body hanging from the gallows
is more righteous that Hindley's crotchet lectures
pain not penance, forget martyrs, remember victims
the weak die young and right now we crouch to make them strong
kill Yeltsin, who's saying? Zhirinovsky, Le Pen, Hindley and Brady, Ireland, Allit, Sutcliffe, Dahmer, Nielson, Yoshinori Ueda, Blanche and Pickles, Amin, Milosovic
Give them respect they deserve
give them the respect they deserve
execution needed
a bloody vessel for your peace
if man makes death then death makes man
tear the torso with horses and chains
killers view themselves like they view the world, they pick at the holes
not punish less, rise the pain
sterilise rapists, all I preach is extinction
kill Yeltsin, who's saying? Zhirinovsky, Le Pen, Hindley and Brady, Ireland, Allit, Sutcliffe, Dahmer, Nielson, Yoshinori Ueda, Blanche and Pickles, Amin, Milosovic
give them respect they deserve
give them the respect they deserve
give them the respect they deserve
give them the respect they deserve.





Both better lyrics than ever played by RATM.

Wilk does with a four piece drum kit what most can't with a 12.

What the hell are you chatting about, RATM's worst asset other than the bloody rap is the drumming, the fills are few and not especially fast and not particularly tricky. If you want to hear superb drumming then listen to the following: -

Danny Carey,
Carter Beauford,
Roger Taylor,
Ginger Baker,
Neil Peart.

Just to name a few who are way out RATM's league.

Tim Of-Many-Last-Names does some fairly innovative work on bass.

The complete lack of dazzling praise compaired with others is far more suggestive than anything I could ever say.

But most of all, I would venture to say that if Jimi Hendrix were alive today, he'd be doing the same sort of stuff that Tom did when he was with Rage.

Ok Tom Morrelo is a fantastic Guitarist, and RATM's major asset, no argument, but to compare him to the likes of Hendrix, infact to mention him thin the same sentance is beyond belief. Morrelo is good but I can think of plenty of better guitarists. Indeed there are plenty of threads about the great guitarists, all of which feature better players.

I mean, who else but Morello could take one chord (an F# if I'm not mistaken) and turn it into a whole song (Bulls on Parade)?

Which is why Bulls on parade is a terrible repetative song. But lets take queen as a counter, they made an entire, and better, song with Freddy Mercury singing with a few backing vocalists during the chorus and a load of people clapping in time to a bass drum in the back ground (we will rock you). Yet that song rapes Bulls on parade.


Rage against the Machine are shit.

[Rockfan]

Enigma:
It dosent matter about how tricky he fills on the kit r man its the groove and the rythem and the timing, he dose some mean stuff for the amout of equipment he uses and u forgot a drummer on ur list , john bonham from led zep.

tim is a good bass player i mean a lot o bass players 2 day dont go past the fifth thret.

[Invader Zim]

It dosent matter about how tricky he fills on the kit r man its the groove and the rythem and the timing,

It matters as much as any of those things you mentioned, you could get a monkey with a metronome to keep a beat. And anyone can keep a rythem, what matters is knowing when to add to the beat to enhanse the song.

[synthesis]

I don't particularly like any of the bands involved except Soundgarden, but I will venture to say that, having read some of Rage's lyrics, I think Rolling Stone put it well when they said that "Zack de la Rocha can't rap like Bob Dylan can't sing."

Seriously, de la Rocha's a pretty fucking amazing lyricist. Who else works in references to Dante and the Black Panthers into multi-platinum albums these days?

[ComradeChris]

I honestly haven't heard much more Audioslave than the stuff they play on the radio. But from that, I still like RATM better.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 01:40 AM
I don't particularly like any of the bands involved except Soundgarden, but I will venture to say that, having read some of Rage's lyrics, I think Rolling Stone put it well when they said that "Zack de la Rocha can't rap like Bob Dylan can't sing."

Seriously, de la Rocha's a pretty fucking amazing lyricist. Who else works in references to Dante and the Black Panthers into multi-platinum albums these days?
Well the manic street preachers realeased a song called Spectators of Suicide (heavenly version) which actually had an exert froma speach by Bobby Seale which says: -

"So the concept is this, space
We gonna walk on this nation
We gonna walk on this racist power structure
And we gonna take on the whole damn government
"Stick 'em up, motherfucker,
This is a hold up,
We come for what's ours""



Hows that for ya?

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 01:48 PM
Praxis you chat crap, Rage most certainly did not make "socially conscious music commercially viable for the first time since the 1970s", there are plenty of bands who made music which was both politically, socialy and economically conscious, who were around the same time, and made it big before RATM, and probably more commercially successful.

The Cranberries were also making commercially viable music many with major reference to the social and political climate. Look at U2 they may be whiney religious rubbish, but they were releasing songs such as Sunday Bloody Sunday, with huge commercial success in the middle of the 80's.

U2 were, are, and always will be total fucking crap!!!

Lookup the term self righteous asshole and you'll see a picture of Bono perhaps with Bob Geldof standing next to him.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 03:25 AM
U2 were, are, and always will be total fucking crap!!!

Lookup the term self righteous asshole and you'll see a picture of Bono perhaps with Bob Geldof standing next to him.
And whats your point? If you even have one? How does that remotly alter what I have said?

Unless your suggesting that religious people cant have views on social factors in society.

I also would like to question your ability to read, but just to give you the benefit of the doubt I'll post it again: -

Look at U2 they may be whiney religious rubbish, but they were releasing songs such as Sunday Bloody Sunday, with huge commercial success in the middle of the 80's.


Now what were you chatting about?

[Palmares]

I think the point (maybe) that praxis was trying to make was the degree and particular revoltionary message RATM espoused in their music that no other (except maybe Public Enemy) group/artist had achieved. Praxis did not say anywhere that no other band had made songs with soft politcal lyrics.

[EricTheRed]

Rage, hands down.

[Angry Young Man]

I just came across this.Is this a joke?

[INDK]

I honestly don't really like either. RATM is my choice, I guess.

[RHIZOMES]

Err yeah they are, have you ever heard Rage Against The Machine?

Like songs like Wake up and Bulls on Parade are a classic example of metal songs, they have just been defaced with Rap. They would have been a great instrumental songs. But it was ruined with rap.

No.


With procedural nods to Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Public Enemy,

All of whom suck.

No.

You are wrong.

[Miss Mindfuck.]

Rage, obviously.

[RedAnarchist]

Whilst RATM are more political, I prefer Audioslave nowadays.

[anarchy666]

I'm still bitter about Zack la Rocha leaving Rage. Also would anyone think that Rage was pro-socialist? They seem very anti-capitalist.
Zack is back with the band and if you go to ratm.com you can see all of their upcoming shows, but none are in the Americas, mostly Europe. Being in a band isn't easy, and I am sure there was more going on than the press covered. Zack is an amazing revolutionary and he has influenced tons of people to be open to leftist politics. They do have the red star of socialism/communism as their band symbol, but because of Zack's lyrics I always though they were anarchist group. But it is possible they have very different political ideoliges, and theat could have added to the tension.

[thescarface1989]

I prefer Rage, but I did like some Audioslave songs as well.

[Autonome-Antifa]

Audioslave sucks. The usic is just not good.

[Sankofa]

Rage

[spartan]

Both though Rage were the better out of the two bands.

[Red October]

Audioslave is alright, but RATM should have been the ones to play in Havana. RATM is the better band, there's no contest.

[Dystisis]

I think both Audioslave and RATM are decent for their purpose (being easy to-listen-to hard rock well within the classical boundaries of pop/rock music). For that reason the music as a whole is rather uninteresting to me, although they admittedly have some "adrenaline pumping" riffs (note that this is a trait they share with a lot of crappy commercialist "musicians").

Lyrically I favor RATM, though. But I am a bigger fan of the type of singing used in Audioslave.

[Invader Zim]

No.



No.

You are wrong.

Rage were and are rich, shit, sellouts who made crap music for people aged between 12 and 16; the sooner you get over it the better you will be.

[The Feral Underclass]

There not comparable...

[F9]

I must admit that i dont know either.If someone could give some info...

[RHIZOMES]

Rage were and are rich, shit, sellouts who made crap music for people aged between 12 and 16; the sooner you get over it the better you will be.

Yes because you are the authority on all music that is good and bad. :rolleyes:

Especially with the whole "Public Enemy and Run-DMC sucks" thing. I really should take your opinion seriously when you say two of the greatest hip-hop groups of the 80's and maybe even all time suck.

Also, Wake Up and Bulls on Parade are not metal songs. Even if you're just looking at the instrumental side.

[Led Zeppelin]

I prefer RATM.

[Invader Zim]

Yes because you are the authority on all music that is good and bad.Thats right.

[RHIZOMES]

Thats right.

This statement contradicts nearly everything I've seen you say so far in this thread.

[Invader Zim]

This statement contradicts nearly everything I've seen you say so far in this thread.

Sarcasm, in addition to taste, are obviously concepts lost on you.

[RHIZOMES]

Sarcasm, in addition to taste, are obviously concepts lost on you.

I was well aware you were being sarcastic. Now unless you have been sarcastic during this entire thread it doesn't make you any less arrogant and/or wrong.

[bgirlskttlez]

RATM hands down. Did anyone else see them at Coachella last year?

[Invader Zim]

I was well aware you were being sarcastic. Now unless you have been sarcastic during this entire thread it doesn't make you any less arrogant and/or wrong.

To be honest, I am unbothered by Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Public Enemy, etc, (all of whom have produced albums I own and enjoy); but knowing that it would piss off people like you, with utterly bland taste in pop music, I couldn't resist. It was either that or saying that Necro was/is better than Chuck D, whatever people like you find more sacreligious.

As for Rage Against the Machine, they were utter shit, one horribly mediocre album and two utter rubbish ones and a legion of teenage fans who thankfully grow out of it by the time they reach their 20s.

[Bastable]

RATM are the "shiz"

[RHIZOMES]

To be honest, I am unbothered by Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Public Enemy, etc, (all of whom have produced albums I own and enjoy); but knowing that it would piss off people like you, with utterly bland taste in pop music, I couldn't resist. It was either that or saying that Necro was/is better than Chuck D, whatever people like you find more sacreligious.

I listen to "Bland pop music"?

Hmm... I don't know where you got that from. I listen to mostly classical, experimental, afro-beat, punk and hip-hop. Rage is one of the few ultra-mainstream rock bands I really truly enjoy and it was one of the influences on getting me into revolutionary politics.


As for Rage Against the Machine, they were utter shit, one horribly mediocre album and two utter rubbish ones and a legion of teenage fans who thankfully grow out of it by the time they reach their 20s.

Yes, a lot of Rage fans are morons. That's a given for any band that has had that amount of success.

And who are you to decide what albums are shit and what aren't? It's one thing to say you don't like something, it's a completely different thing to SAY it's shite, especially from a band as unque, original and pioneering as RatM.

[Coggeh]

I loved audioslave , i think they were a lot more relaxing and just chill out based music with some good mosh songs . Probably like them more than rage musically but because rage have revolutionary lyrics id have to pick them .

Cant wait to see them in july :D

[Invader Zim]

I listen to "Bland pop music"?I think so. The artists you have mentioned liking thus far, and those from your sig line, suggest to me you deviate little from the generic and popular. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with the artists in question (Rage being an exception); but I see nothing, other than your claims in this post, to suggest that your tastes are anything but bland. But on the other hand if you begin expounding upon the virtues of C.C.C.C., I will criticise your taste calling it pretentious; in short you can’t win.


and it was one of the influences on getting me into revolutionary politics.That seems a popular trend among the lads (in particular) who come onto this forum, and then leave once they grow up and stop listening to Rage. As their tastes die, their politics do.


And who are you to decide what albums are shit and what aren't?The consumer, I have just as much right to call Rage albums shit as you do to extol their virtues. I am also hardly unique in thinking that the first Rage album is miles better than the other two, indeed I seem find myself with the majority on that score.


It's one thing to say you don't like something, it's a completely different thing to SAY it's shite,Rubbish. People express their distaste like that all the time. Had I said that the Spice Girls, who are at least outwardly more geared towards the pop market, nobody would have batted an eye-lid. Make the same observation of another group who fall under the all encompassing bracket of 'alternative' and it suddenly it ceases to be OK to speak ones mind because you are not slagging of 'comerical trash', rather you are attacking 'art'. But, in fairness I am an unabashed hypocrite when it comes to the issue of music, I will happily wax lyrical about group 'x' and ruthlessly libel anyone who doesn't like them (and even do as you have done on rare occasion, namely play the ‘taste’ card), and in the next breath expectorate bile upon the mention of bands I don't like.

[RHIZOMES]

I think so. The artists you have mentioned liking thus far, and those from your sig line, suggest to me you deviate little from the generic and popular. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with the artists in question (Rage being an exception); but I see nothing, other than your claims in this post, to suggest that your tastes are anything but bland. But on the other hand if you begin expounding upon the virtues of C.C.C.C., I will criticise your taste calling it pretentious; in short you can’t win.

I don't know what the fuck C.C.C.C. is anyway.

Regarding sig = hip-hop is my main and I find hip-hop lyrics can often say things in a very eloquent way regarding the state of the world. My tastes encompass everything from Philip Glass and Frank Zappa to The Gun Club and Mike Patton to 2Pac and the Wu-Tang Clan to Fela Kuti and Geinoh Yamashirogumi. Those are my favourite artists. Explain why this is bland. And with this whole thing of if I'm not bland, I'm pretentious, surely that applies to everyone, including yourself.


That seems a popular trend among the lads (in particular) who come onto this forum, and then leave once they grow up and stop listening to Rage. As their tastes die, their politics do.

I don't listen to Rage that much anymore.


The consumer, I have just as much right to call Rage albums shit as you do to extol their virtues. I am also hardly unique in thinking that the first Rage album is miles better than the other two, indeed I seem find myself with the majority on that score.

I actually find Evil Empire to be a better album.


Rubbish. People express their distaste like that all the time. Had I said that the Spice Girls, who are at least outwardly more geared towards the pop market, nobody would have batted an eye-lid. Make the same observation of another group who fall under the all encompassing bracket of 'alternative' and it suddenly it ceases to be OK to speak ones mind because you are not slagging of 'comerical trash', rather you are attacking 'art'.

Er no. There is nothing innovative about the Spice Girls. Bad example.


But, in fairness I am an unabashed hypocrite when it comes to the issue of music, I will happily wax lyrical about group 'x' and ruthlessly libel anyone who doesn't like them (and even do as you have done on rare occasion, namely play the ‘taste’ card), and in the next breath expectorate bile upon the mention of bands I don't like.

Doesn't that sort of cancel out your Spice Girls argument, since you just admitted to making it not "OK to speak ones mind"?

[Invader Zim]

I don't know what the fuck C.C.C.C. is anyway.Japanese Noise band, for the massively pretentious.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OD_rG9FTjy0


surely that applies to everyone, including yourself.To a certain degree.


There is nothing innovative about the Spice Girls. Their marketing, like rage's, was and is innovative. In terms of the music there isn't all that much which was new about Rage, they just popularised a that which existed, along with other groups such Urban Dance Squad.


Doesn't that sort of cancel out your Spice Girls argument,Yes, thats what I said.

[AutomaticMan]

Rage hands down, audioslave did some good songs, but I much prefer Rage.

[Scrap]

ohhhhh.... so hard to decide. i'll narrow it down to favorite song.

Audioslave: Like a stone
RATM: Take the power back

sorry but i have to go with Audioslave on this one

[jctl04]

i like rage more. i love soundgarden. Audioslave is okay it just seems like to much compromise from all members in the music they create and this is why i reckon they split (apart from the mighty prospect of reforming rage). I would definitly rather hear Audioslave than most of the other crap that is playing on commercial radio.

[Mala Tha Testa]

Rage for great justice. and Audioslave's covers of Rage songs suck. and Audioslaves cover of 'White Riot' is a disgrace. chirs isn't that good at songs that aren't ones he wrote for Audioslave(which isnt that bad i guess) and most of those make me vomit. Soundgarden > Audioslave, though.