17 DEAD IN TERRORIST ATTACK, MEGIDO, ISRAEL

[Blasphemy]

a palestinian terrorist from the city of the Jenin in the west bank, driving a car packed with heavy explosives, detonated his car next to a bus full with men, women and children.

17 of the passengers on the bus were killed, 30 wounded, 2 of which are in a critical condition.

i hope that the people who were savagely murdered will find a resting place, and that their families will find peace. let us hope that we will not have to hear anymore about the unfortunate death of innocents.

[Blasphemy]

here is the full story:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/05/...bomb/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/05/mideast.bomb/index.html)

[Angie]

Fox News' Version (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54495,00.html) - quotes that Islamic Jihad admitted doing it, and that it contained a number of soldiers, who were the chosen targets.

[Blasphemy]

how kind of the Islamic Jihad. they try so hard not to kill civilians, but it's just too hard. they are a very humane terrorist organization. they only slaughter innocent babies when they have no other choice, just like Bin Laden.

[Xvall]

Blashpemy..
I heard that the Suicide bomber was a kid who's parents were killed by the Israeli militiants a day before he did this..

[Blasphemy]

that is no excuse to kill innocent people. the soldiers didn't even serve in the territories.

i have lost my friend in the intifada, so can i just go and slaughter an innocent palestinian family?

[Xvall]

I know that's no excuse..
But you have to look at what the Israelis are doing to people too...
Think ten year olds kill themselves for the hell of it?

[Blasphemy]

i know that my country is doing horrible things. but you must remember that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...

[PunkRawker677]

There were soldiers on the bus, almost all of them were soldiers. The attacker thought the bus was carrying ONLY soldiers, which is why he attacked it. I dont care WHERE they are serving, they are still opressing the palestinian people..

my condolenses go out to the families of both sides.

[Blasphemy]

so even secrataries in the military deserve to die because they make phoncecalls? and what about the cooks who make dinner? and the guy that sorts out the mail, does he deserve to die as well? and the guy which just finished his final exams in highschool, did he opress the palestinian people as well? and the 10 months old baby who was playing in the park, she was a great threat to every palestinian, right? or my friend, who walked down the street after seeing a movie, he deserved to die as well? i deserve to die, too, right, because in 3 years i will go to the military? even my neighboor's son deserves to die, because he will be drafted in 15 years. every single israeli deserves to die, because they all served or will serve in the military. even the peace-activists, they deserve to die despite the fact they are fighting for the palestinians. they deserve to die just because they are israelis. my father also deserves to die because he served in the military 30 years ago.

[suffianr]

I agree with Punk Rawker677. In wars, politics goes out the window faster than a slug out of the barrel of a gun.

My dad, a veteran ex-serviceman, once told me that there are no civvies in a war, once the shit hits the fan, there are no non-combatants. The harsh reality is that everyone becomes fair game, and that, my comrades, is what sickens me the most.

Civvies make up most of the death-toll, in most wars, on both sides... :(

There are no winners or losers, there's people who fill the body bags, and there's people who zip 'em up and bury them later...

[Angie]

Quote from Blasphemy:
so even secrataries in the military deserve to die because they make phoncecalls? and what about the cooks who make dinner? and the guy that sorts out the mail, does he deserve to die as well? and the guy which just finished his final exams in highschool, did he opress the palestinian people as well? and the 10 months old baby who was playing in the park, she was a great threat to every palestinian, right? or my friend, who walked down the street after seeing a movie, he deserved to die as well? i deserve to die, too, right, because in 3 years i will go to the military? even my neighboor's son deserves to die, because he will be drafted in 15 years. every single israeli deserves to die, because they all served or will serve in the military. even the peace-activists, they deserve to die despite the fact they are fighting for the palestinians. they deserve to die just because they are israelis. my father also deserves to die because he served in the military 30 years ago.You are such a whinger.

Here's a little tip for you - when you enter the military, one of the first things you are taught is that you are worthless. Bootcamp's the most wonderful way to make a person feel about as big as an ameoba. They scream and shout at you, day in, day out, for weeks on end until you break. Then, and only then, do they start the real work of building you back up again, into the person *cough* machine *cough* that they want you to be. Then, you get the interesting stuff. Here's a little portion of it:

First of all - you learn that you are a soldier "in training", and you are being initiated into a collective mind, a small portion of which is your platoon, people who you'd bloody well better make an effort to get along with, because if you stumble, they're the only ones who'd help you back up. You aren't to think for yourself while you're part of this mind, you're just to carry out orders quickely and efficiently. The foot soldiers do all the work, the higher-ups make all the decisions. Expect nothing else, and you'll not be surprised much.

Secondly - you're being trained to kill. And since you're going to be put in situations where you're going to kill, you might as well face the fact that there's a very good chance you're going to die, also. Young, and barely innocent. No soldier is innocent, it's not the nature of the path.

By this stage, most soldiers have acknowledged that since they're trained to kill, they're trained to die, and accept that as being part of the job. Doesn't mean that they search for it, that's certainly not the point - but it's an ever-present acknowledgement in the back of the mind that behind the next building could lie the weapon that shoots the bullet through your skull.

What comes with that recognition is a sense of paranoia. You learn to trust no-one but your platoon. They become your best friends, your family. Your life. The paranoia teams up with fear, which explains why the good bulk of rookie soldiers (and some more experienced soldiers) are trigger-happy. They're scared shitless. Welcome to the real world.

Because you're going to be in the military, and live in such a volatile area, there's certainly a chance that you're going to die. Your nation decided that the military was the right path for you to walk in, at least for a little while, and you're going to have to deal with that.

It's not about people DESERVING to die. It's about it being a simple fact of life in the military. If you are put into that situation, you face what's coming to you, no matter what. Those soldiers knew that death had a very high possibility of occuring. I can, from my own personal experience of having done my own military service, tell you that their last thoughts were not, "Why is this happening?"

They knew why it was happening.

And soon, so will you.

I have well and truly fulfilled my role as a soldier, and I have almost been killed, numerous times. You think I'm proud of it? Fuck no. But it gave me an insight that you do not have. It gave me memories imprinted into my brain that you do not have. Crumpled, burning bodies, some I knew. One I loved.

You have no idea what it means to be a soldier. One day you will learn. Then your mind will change, just as mine did. I sincerely hope you learn what is right and wrong about your military, because if you don't, you risk facing me head on. And I will shoot first.

(Edited by Angie at 11:23 pm on June 8, 2002)

[Blasphemy]

"you are such a whiner"

i don't need your personal opinion about me. i truly don't give a fuck.


"You have no idea what it means to be a soldier. One day you will learn. Then your mind will change, just as mine did. I sincerely hope you learn what is right and wrong about your military, because if you don't, you risk facing me head on. And I will shoot first."

very frightening. don't be so patronizing, angie. you know nothing about the israeli military. you really have no idea. all the atrocities in the territories are mainly the faults of the government, not the military.

i don't need people to give me advice. i don't need conceted people to pretend that they have any idea. you may have served in the military, but it doesn't mean you can comprehend the dilemma here, which is very difficult.

[Angie]

I can guarantee my comprehension of the military side of it is a hell of a lot better than yours, Child. Grow up before you want to start discussing that - you've no ground to stand on, all you'll get is your own personal war.

[Blasphemy]

and how can you make such a guarantee? i may be young, but i know things you do not for reasons which i will not specify.

[DORRI]

i just want to say:
you're really active reporter from what is going on in occupied Palestine. I hope CNN will employ you!

[Blasphemy]

i don't think they will, because i look at the situation objectively.

[DORRI]

can a human look at killing & war objectively?!
you should choose...

[Fires of History]

Bull-fucking-shit you look at this situation objectively. You post this message mourning the death of Israeli soldiers, you are an Israeli citizen, you are to be drafted in a few years...need I say more?

Also, didn't you mention that you were the son of a high-ranking official in the IDF?

Objective!? Are you stoned?

Edit: And, I forgot, I love your thoroughly objective avatar. Heh...

(Edited by Fires of History at 4:13 pm on June 10, 2002)

[Blasphemy]

i'm an israeli, and it is very legitimate if i mourn the death of my own people! what's wrong with that? i'm sure that all the people who refused to serve in vietnam didn't jump up an down with joy when americans soldiers were killed.

yes, i will be drafted. so fucking what? i'm not going to be a combatant.

yes, my father is a retired general. once again, so fucking what? i'm not my father's shadow. i can think for myself. btw, he is a leftist who totally supports withdrawal from the territories.

and what's wrong with my avatar?

[ComradeChe]

Quote: from Blasphemy on 7:14 pm on June 8, 2002
i don't think they will, because i look at the situation objectively.


How could that be, when ever a palestenian kill israeli people you send a post mentioning all the misery and the pain that the israelians live, but you rarely metion the daily invading and the killing and the arresting and the house destroying, that your army do every day.


I dont blame you, but i hope you dont call your self a guy who is lookin at the situation objectively.

[Blasphemy]

israel invades another city everyday... but i think i mentioned more than once some crimes that were carried out by israel.