The YCL

[Anti-Capitalist1]

I am aware that I have made a similar post in the Practice forum, though I post in here in hopes of recieving a greater number of replies.

i merely want to know if anyone here is an active member of the Young communist league, and even if you are not, any information you could give me about the group would be greatly appreciated.

As i mentioned before, if the admins feel it necesary to delete the thread in Practice, I bear no grudges.

EDIT: also, I applied online about 2 days ago, and gave an email, so I would think I would have received an email by this point... anyone else that is in the YCL, how long did it take for you?

[Im the Vanguard of the Masses]

i used to be part of the ycl when i was 12 the group is a joke the cpusa today is supporting kerry and is activley campaigning for him in the swing states

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by Im the Vanguard of the [email protected] 22 2004, 03:37 AM
i used to be part of the ycl when i was 12 the group is a joke the cpusa today is supporting kerry and is activley campaigning for him in the swing states
When you were 12? did your parents sign you up? And I wasn't aware the CPUSA is actively campaigning for kerry in swing states... maybe because I don't live in one. A little more detail would be appreciated.

[RedCeltic]

Take a look at the Communist Party USA's 2004 platform (http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/589/1/27/) The goal is quite simply getting Bush out of the white house. They say.. "The bottom line in this election year is that the devastating, dangerous, anti-human, Bush/ultra-right agenda be delivered a resounding defeat. The entire world is watching." Yet their alternative is to support a candidate who wants to send more troops to Iraq, and is fundamentally opposed to most of the issues on their platform.

I find it amusing that the International Socialist Organization (ISO) is being called "class collaborators" for their support of Ralph Nader who is a supporter of the capitalist system... yet the so called "Communist Party" Is directly supporting the ruling class! It's no hidden fact that John Kerry is part of the wealthy 1%.. an article in Forbes Magazine pointed out that if elected Kerry will be one of the wealthiest presidents in history.

Also take a look at this article by the YCL usa Defeat Bush: A strategy to win (http://www.yclusa.org/article/articleview/1620/1/6/)

Take this quote for example, "We know that there are some serious differences between Bush and Kerry and we plan to highlight them and show how the defeat of Bush will be a defeat of the ultra-right!" This from a party that calls social democrats and socialists "soft on capitalism"... a party that once followed Moscow lockstep, kicked people out who disagreed with Moscow in the slightest, kicked Trotsky supporters out of the Party calling them counter revolutionary... a group who's base of existence in the beginning had been founded on the premise that reformism weakens the movement and makes capitalism stronger, and that only a communist revolution (through the ballot box) would bring about real change.

today the CP seems to be lost.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

yes, they are making concessions in an attempt to attract more people.... I disagree with it, but can you blame them? this nation hasn't seen this kind of right winged-ness in a long time... Bush's open discussion of religion and constant use of the word "evil" in his speeches are particularly alarming to me... And nobody really pays attention to them, as the mere mention of the word "communist" causes a venemous reaction in the average american.

Oh, and how about the SPUSa, then? They have a candidate running, Walt Brown, what are your views on them? Plus, they have a counter part for the YCl, the YPSL (www.ypsl.org)

[RedCeltic]

Yeah... I'm not really sure what I think of Walt Brown at this point. I think he's better than Ralph Nader in some ways, however I know that there has been a fight over the nomination of Walt Brown within the Socialist Party due to some issues that have come out after his nomination. It seems among other things he is against abortion being legal. He is more or less a social democrat.

One thing I have found in my life is that if you have your heart set on joining an organization, you'll find that you aren't going to agree 100% with any group out there. If you agree with the CP's tactics of fighting for Kerry as a "step forward" to communism than it's probobly a worthwile group. There are other communist youth groups out there... SWP has one, and I think WIL also has one. Yet none are as large as the YCL.

[Mao Zhe Xi Wan Sui]

The YCL is good, of course they're campaigning for Kerry, he's the best bet against Bush.

"One must see straight without overlooking the twists and turns of reality'
-Lenin

www.yclusa.org

[BOZG]

Yes he is the best bet against Bush, what's your point? They both stand for the capitalist class, just two different factions. No matter who wins the Presidency, capital wins either way.

[Mao Zhe Xi Wan Sui]

yeah, but the victory of anybody besides Kerry or Bush is impossible. We're backed into a corner, but still there's a difference between Kerry and Bush, even if its marginal. Our ONLY options are Kerry or Bush, thats it. So its best to chose from those two.

[BOZG]

Are there any real differences other than words? So Kerry says this and that, what's the likelihood of him really changing things?

Just because you're given an option, doesn't mean you must choose one or the other.

[Mao Zhe Xi Wan Sui]

there are some fundamental differences. Abortion, gay rights, etc. even if Kerry's not good, bush is evil. issues not candidates man. One should do whatever they can to get bush out of office, not voting or pissing away your vot just increases the liklihood of another 4 years of bush

[BOZG]

But can you guarantee that Kerry will get these through? There's quite a strong likely that members of his own party are opposed to any progression on gay rights and abortion.

[Mao Zhe Xi Wan Sui]

I cant guarantee he'll get these through. All I know is that there's a chance. There's no chance with Bush.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

hm... sent in my application for the CPUSa a long ass time ago, yet still, no repsonse in my email...

anyways, when was the last time there was a communist/socialist candidate in the US that actually had a chance of winning?

[Anti-Capitalist1]

oh, and on the YPSL site, the last news article was 6.5.2004, anybody know why?

YPSL site (http://www.ypsl.org/home.php)

[Mao Zhe Xi Wan Sui]

The CPUSA rarely updates their website because they have a weekly newspaper

[RedCeltic]

The YCL is good, of course they're campaigning for Kerry, he's the best bet against Bush.

Helping to prop up reformist capitalism, and prevent a people's revolution is counter revolutionary, and far from communist ideals.


We're backed into a corner, but still there's a difference between Kerry and Bush, even if its marginal. Our ONLY options are Kerry or Bush, thats it. So its best to chose from those two.

A vote for a third party may not get an candidate elected, however it does serve as giving the people the ability to vote against the system. As Eugene V. Debs had said, "I would rather vote for a candidate I believe in who will loose, than one I do not who will win."

The fact is that Kerry, as most democrats are more likely to send troops to war than Republicans. Kerry wants to send more troops into Iraq than Bush, and has also talked about attacking other counteries.

The most important reason not to vote for Kerry in my mind is because if Kerry is elected, all these wishy washy hippy liberals will abandon the anti-war movement because it may "hurt Kerry"... just like the AFL-CIO abandoned the "Million Worker March" recently. If a democrat is elected, than all wars are ok, and anyone out protesting truly is a "commie nut." How much peace protests did you see during the Clinton years, dispite Clintion getting us into more wars than George W. Bush? (Boznia, Somolia, etc)

No, If our goal is to bring about international Socialism, than it's Revolution and not Bush or Kerry that is nessery. ... and that makes the CP-USA "counter-revolutionary."

As for Gay rights, Kerry said himself that he is opposed to the marrage between a man and a woman. However he gives them lip service by saying he's for "gay rights."

Reformest policies are for the spineless... .yet Kerry isn't even that, he's a conservitive. George W. Bush is far to the right... and calls Kerry a "Liberal" which is untrue.

What we need to be aiming for is the downfall of the American Empire. This is why voting for third parties is important. You are not contrubiting to the rotting system, and pointing out it's faults...

If Kerry is elected, and come this time next year things are much worse in Iraq and domesticly (which I know they will be) it will be the fault of you people who vote out of fear, rather than voting for what's right.