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pastradamus
3rd June 2002, 04:16
well guys here's its views,

[/b]The Irish Republican Socialist Party is an organisation created by and for working class people, to aid working class liberation in Ireland and internationally with others who share that common goal. The IRSP stands in the tradition of James Connolly, seeking an end to all forms of exploitation and the creation of a 32 county socialist republic, with the working class collectively owning the means of production, distribution, and exchange, as well as democratically administering society.
Socialism

The socialism we embrace is the kind that liberates, not enslaves. We strive towards a society that functions to meet human needs, not the need for profit. Our socialism is a means of liberating our class from all forms of oppression, whether economic, political, religious, cultural or social. It is a socialism that envisions our class controlling their own destinies and that of the nation as a whole.

National Liberation

The struggle for national liberation cannot be separated from the class struggle. Any attempt to isolate one from the other will result in failure. It is meaningless to speak of a free nation, if the overwhelming majority remain oppressed, and national sovereignty is lost through multinational corporate control of the economy just as much as by partition. At the same time, someone who refuses to challenge British imperialism in Ireland cannot claim to be fighting for socialism and the continuation of partition props up the divisions in the working class of Ireland that hold us back from our own liberation. We have no choice in whether or not we wish to consider the interconnection of the national and class questions, reality forces us to do so.

We define the national liberation struggle as that struggle which seeks to force a British military withdrawal from the occupied six counties. The destruction of the pro-British loyalist armed forces. The withdrawal of British political influence from all parts of Ireland. The ending the partition of the island of Ireland and the overturning of both the partionist governments presently administering political affairs of Ireland. The gaining of collective economic control of the nation's resources by the nation as a whole and the eradication of any control or influence exercised by foreign capitalists over any aspect of the Irish economy. The recognition of a separate Irish cultural identity and the establishment of revolutionary 32- county socialist republic.

We aim to build a strong alliance in Irish society of our class in towns and cities, agricultural workers in the country-side, unemployed workers, working class refugees, linked as a movement internationally with other like-minded liberation struggles.

We firmly stand-by the struggle for a republic. On that we are inflexible, but our struggle for the republic is a means to an end. For us, the national liberation struggle is but an aspect of the struggle for socialism.

Loyalism & Nationalism

We distinguish between loyalism and Protestantism. We recognise the right of everyone to their own religious beliefs, provided they do not use these beliefs to oppress others. We have no quarrel with Protestant workers and welcome them to join us in struggle. However, we stand totally opposed to the political ideology of loyalism. Loyalism is a reactionary, sectarian and proimperialist ideology, with which we can make no compromise. We recognise that nationalism in the context of the Irish struggle is progressive, but we also recognise that nationalism can play a reactionary role. The national chauvinism of the Tories, National Front, etc. is counterrevolutionary and anathema to socialists. The nationalism of an oppressed country is vastly different from such reactionary jingoism. We support all struggles against imperialism throughout the world.

Class mobilisation Only by mobilising our class north and south - Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter - can the goal of national liberation and socialism be achieved. Workers have distinct interests as a class, ultimately opposed to any other class, we must join together as a class to win control of society.

For a fighting union

As republican socialists, we take lesson from battles that have gone before us, in the community and in the workplace. We must reclaim our unions and organise the unorganised. We remain committed to the revolutionary industrial unionism of Larkin and Connolly. As republican socialists we see the creation of a fighting 'rank and file' trade union movement as something that still holds potential and we support the building of a revolutionary shop stewards' movement.

Equality

Our class faces daily, relentless assaults inflicted on us from many quarters and a constant onslaught of attempts to divide us. The IRSP oppose and fight against all forms of inequality and oppression, including that of women, travellers, lesbians, gays, or other sexual minorities, refugees, Africans, Asians, and any other oppressed sector of the working class. We oppose racism, Zionism, sexism, homophobia, national chauvinism, and anything else which divides our class. We support reproductive rights and unhindered access to contraception, including a woman's right to choose abortion. We are opposed to religious sectarianism and seek the complete separation of church and state and a secular society.

Our Earth

The increasing destruction of our environment is due to mismanagement of industrialisation and the inevitable product of a system, which puts profit before all else, that is, capitalism. The IRSP is committed to sustainable and renewable energy sources, preservation of the ecology and biodiversity of our planet, with protection of all species and the promotion of a healthy environment for all people and animal life.

Revolution not Reform

The IRSP believe that the present class system cannot be reformed out of existence. There exists no parliamentary road to socialism and the liberation of our class. We need to build an organised working class movement with the politics capable of leading the fight against capitalism. Our class are entitled to control over all the wealth of society and to obtain it through any means necessary.

If you agree with us, then we urge you to join the Irish Republican Socialist Party and help build a movement that can accomplish these aims and objectives. Be part of the Irish revolution! [/b]


(Edited by pastradamus at 4:18 am on June 3, 2002)


(Edited by pastradamus at 4:19 am on June 3, 2002)

Supermodel
3rd June 2002, 22:46
I would have one question for them and if they have a website I would ask it myself: They state:

We distinguish between loyalism and Protestantism. We recognise the right of everyone to their own religious beliefs, provided they do not use these beliefs to oppress others.

If you substitute the terms "Roman Catholic Church Doctrine " for Loyalism and "Catholicism" for "Protestantism" do they still agree wholeheartedly with the statement? In otherwords do they stand for the freedom of oppression of all Irish people from the Roman Catholic Church?

pastradamus
4th June 2002, 01:15
We distinguish between loyalism and Protestantism. We recognise the right of everyone to their own religious beliefs, provided they do not use these beliefs to oppress others.

If you substitute the terms "Roman Catholic Church Doctrine " for Loyalism and "Catholicism" for "Protestantism" do they still agree wholeheartedly with the statement? In otherwords do they stand for the freedom of oppression of all Irish people from the Roman Catholic Church?

How are the irish people oppressed by the caothlic church?
the majority of the irish people have the utmost respect for the church.

they want a seperation of church + state.

if u wanna give um a piece of ur yankee mind then use this address: http://irsm.org/irsm.html The guys on this are excellent at political stuff so i cant really see u beating them on this one.......lol

Supermodel
5th June 2002, 18:57
Pastra, you are proving my point. I lived in Ireland for many years.

Hardly any Irish people know the extent to which daily life and law is governed by Rome. This is the single reason why the protestants have fought for a hundred years to be excluded from this Vatican colony. Are you telling me that the education, medial, welfare and medical systems of Ireland are not all completely ruled by Roman Catholic doctrine?

Like I'll give you one example: My one and only smuggling experience was taking trunkloads of condoms into the south when I went to Dublin. My male friends also had a healthy trade in porn. I also had to cover for buddies taking the trip to England to "visit an aunt".....euphemisn for an abortion.

Remember when Charlene Tilton's character on "Dallas" had an abortion? Irish TV cancelled their most popular prime time show. And yeah, tell me any other country that shows Catholic mass on TV for an hour every prime time, every channel......

pastradamus
5th June 2002, 20:04
Quote: from Supermodel on 6:57 pm on June 5, 2002
Pastra, you are proving my point. I lived in Ireland for many years.

Hardly any Irish people know the extent to which daily life and law is governed by Rome. This is the single reason why the protestants have fought for a hundred years to be excluded from this Vatican colony. Are you telling me that the education, medial, welfare and medical systems of Ireland are not all completely ruled by Roman Catholic doctrine?

Like I'll give you one example: My one and only smuggling experience was taking trunkloads of condoms into the south when I went to Dublin. My male friends also had a healthy trade in porn. I also had to cover for buddies taking the trip to England to "visit an aunt".....euphemisn for an abortion.

Remember when Charlene Tilton's character on "Dallas" had an abortion? Irish TV cancelled their most popular prime time show. And yeah, tell me any other country that shows Catholic mass on TV for an hour every prime time, every channel......

yeah that was true,about 10 or so years back.

I can honestly say that the caothlic church has little or no influence in irish politics ne more.for example the recent referendum was pro-abortion.the medical servies arent really run by the church ne more,protestants can go into caothlic hospitals as they please.I've been in a protestant one myself.

and also the media is run by privetly owned groups,ts no longer govt owned
also the education system is very much different.there are protestants & muslims in my skool.
But i must admit themass thing is a bit offensive alright.

but as the years go on the church and state are becoming more seperate.

Supermodel
5th June 2002, 22:23
All of which is the real reason why Ireland is fast becoming one of the most powerful and successful countries in the world. Hang in there Pastra, you still have much change to make. I'm trusting you to stick with it and see that Ireland becomes all it can be. Then I'll come back for President Pastra's inauguration.

Nateddi
5th June 2002, 23:35
They call them selves nationalists, yet they claim that they are not chauvinistic :rolleyes:

honest intellectual
6th June 2002, 01:35
Are you telling me that the education, medial, welfare and medical systems of Ireland are not all completely ruled by Roman Catholic doctrine?
Yup, that's what we're telling ya

pastradamus
6th June 2002, 01:52
Quote: from Supermodel on 10:23 pm on June 5, 2002
All of which is the real reason why Ireland is fast becoming one of the most powerful and successful countries in the world. Hang in there Pastra, you still have much change to make. I'm trusting you to stick with it and see that Ireland becomes all it can be. Then I'll come back for President Pastra's inauguration.


i'll put you in charge of the all the cappi stuff in the newly established peoples republic of cork.