Ernesto Guevara - Some Pictures

[Subversive Pessimist]

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Ernesto, Fidel, and Camilo


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[Subversive Pessimist]

http://utenti.lycos.it/Bresson/guevara1963grande.jpg
Ernesto Che Guevara
1963


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http://i.timeinc.net/time/time100/heroes/images/profilepix/guevara.jpg

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http://www10.plala.or.jp/shosuzki/history/cuba/guevara.jpg

http://www.everestyayinlari.com/yazarlar/images/guevara.jpg

http://www.cubaliteraria.com/autor/el_indio_nabori/img/fotos/ConCheGuevara.jpg

http://www.oudzuylen.nl/images/che-guevara.jpg

Che was one of the grand masters of chess in Cuba.

http://orbita.starmedia.com/~neomundo/imagens/guevara.gif

[Pawn Power]

awsome photos!
I have seen alot of Che pictures and some of those i have never seen in such good quality or seen them at all.

thanks

[lena]

these are great pics! where did you get them from? i saw a new picture biography about che, which is out to buy now - there are also some awsome picture you cant find anywhere else! i cant remember the title of it right now, but when it comes up to my mind again i will write it!

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Yea, those are really nice photos.... I wish I had some to contribute....

[Subversive Pessimist]

You are contributing by just staying here, don't worry. You're a great guy. :)


these are great pics! where did you get them from?


I got most of them from http://flag.blackened.net, some of the others were from google, and the rest from my computer :)

[sim22]

oh wow! wonderful, fantastic, beautiful! terrific! i love these photos, they're so clear!!! and i havent seen some of them!!! oh just lovely!!!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[tequila]

Great Pics!!!! I have loads saved on my computer but I dont have a fucking clue how to post them here can anyone help me out with this?

[h&s]

Make sure that your imags are saved as either .jpeg or .gif files. Then At the bottom of the replying screen, just above where it says add reply / preview post there is a file attatchments box. Click the browse button and attach the file of your choice.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Looks like the pictures from one of the sites were deleted... They don't seem to work...

[Big Boss]

Awesome job with the pictures, Comrade!!!


Some of these I haven't seen before. Thank you!! :lol:

[CheJoni]

nice picture
it is true , a lot of them i have never seen in such a good quality.
thank you very much :)

[LaVictoria]

http://www.italia-cuba.it/associazione/mos.../pagina_001.htm (http://www.italia-cuba.it/associazione/mostre/che/pagina_001.htm)
Here you can find a lot of great pictures.

I love this picture!>
http://www.italia-cuba.it/associazione/mostre/che/images/IMG0098_c_copia.jpg

[Big Boss]

Saw the web site and it is really awesome with it's pictures and info(though I don't understand it). Thanks LaVictoria!

[aztecklaw]

Che lives on!

[Big Boss]

That's in Mexico, isn't it? If you know where please tell me comrade!

[OleMarxco]

Aye, we be worshippin' Che, are we? I'd rather believe in the combined power of the workers rather than in one man, but, those are indeed very inspiring images, so yes - thank you very much for sharing :D

[Domingo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:23 PM
Aye, we be worshippin' Che, are we? I'd rather believe in the combined power of the workers rather than in one man, but, those are indeed very inspiring images, so yes - thank you very much for sharing :D
The combined powers are good, but the leadership of Che is one that everyone can look up to. I greatly admire Commadante Guevara.

Good pics also.

[fernando]

I dont mean to sound offensive or reactionary, but people are sheep, they need to be led. People need somebody/something to look up to which would lead them.

[TC]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:23 PM
Aye, we be worshippin' Che, are we? I'd rather believe in the combined power of the workers rather than in one man, but, those are indeed very inspiring images, so yes - thank you very much for sharing :D
Maybe but its more in the manner of worshiping a rockstar then a political leader really. What is so appealing about che is not anything he did but his image and public persona...He was really no more practically significant in the Cuban revolution then Raul or Camilo, and less so then Fidel, but he's the youth icon and not one of the other three because Che is damn sexy and the others are not. He's like a film star who also did some politics, perhaps the way that Diana and Prince William were/are to a lesser extent. That the only explaination for why he is so widely popular and famous completely out of proportion to his political influence.

[fernando]

Guevara became the symbol of the Revolution because he actually tried to spread it more, he was the one who had the ball to stand up against the US and eventually also the USSR. I mean he could have had a great job and a relatively luxurous life in Cuba with a high position, he dropped all that to chase his ideals. That is why he is respected by friend and foe alike I think!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Let us not forget those who fought beside him in the Congo and Bolivia. Many of them were actually high-ranking officials.

[Tim]

Photo of Che seated at the dinner table;

Now, I'm no expert on watches and I may be mistaken, but is that a GOLD ROLEX he's wearing??

Anybody help?

[fernando]

The gold rolex was a gift he received from a friend IIRC.

At NWOG: where those high officials who fought alongside Che in Congo ministers and politicians? As far as I remembered some were high placed soldiers, but not high placed politicians, I might be wrong here.

[NovelGentry]

Now, I'm no expert on watches and I may be mistaken, but is that a GOLD ROLEX he's wearing??

Anybody help?

Yes, is there something wrong with that?

[codyvo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 09:22 PM

Now, I'm no expert on watches and I may be mistaken, but is that a GOLD ROLEX he's wearing??

Anybody help?

Yes, is there something wrong with that?
Yes, actually their is. The gold mines where this watches' gold was mined have some of the worst working conditions for anyone in the world, if we are supposed to represent the working class we should full-heartedly fight the advocacy of such products. I think it is twice as bad that CHE! is wearing this, he is a man that is revered by workers all over and shouldn't support the enslavement of those workers, also you cold expect this from some ignorant New York stock broker but this from Che disappoints me. This doesn't mean that I hold Che and his work any less important or signifigant I am just diappointed by this one incedent.

[Colombia]

Then again aren't we all guilty of using products made by questionable means?

[codyvo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 10:54 PM
Then again aren't we all guilty of using products made by questionable means?
Not if you join me in my boycott of clothes. No this doesn't mean nudity (which would be pretty cool) it means you don't buy clothes from corporations anymore at all. Their are lots of alternative methods, shopping at thrift stores is one of the best, also look for places like farmers markets, their is one in my city, usually their will be places there to buy clothes made with organic cotton that is grown and processed here in the US. The particular vendor I shop from makes most of its clothes here in the US and the others are all part of this trade agreement that the only clothes they buy are bought from companies owned by the workers.

[Dre_Guevara]

Great pictures! a couple are rare.

[fernando]

You do have to realise that Rolex make some damn fine watches, quality wise that is

[codyvo]

I'm not denying that they made some mighty fine watches, I'm saying that the gold used to make the watches was mined by people paid worse than taco-bell tomato pickers.

[NovelGentry]

How do you know Che didn't get it from a thrift store?

[codyvo]

I don't but if he did then I don't have a problem with it.
But I do have to mention how unlikely it is that someone would actually get a real gold rolex from a thrift store in Cuba.

[NovelGentry]

How do you know he didn't take it off the wrist of a dead army officer?

[codyvo]

I already said, I don't know for sure how or where he got the watch, but whatever the case the origin of the watch was exploitative.

Please stop with all the hypothetical questions I have no fuckin clue where he got the watch.

[NovelGentry]

I'm not the one going insane over a watch. I saw a picture of Che drinking Coke once too (or what appeared to be Coke) -- should we all run for the hills to scream out how bourgeois he was?

I find boycott politics a lot more disappointing than I could ever find Che wearing a rolex.

[codyvo]

Well, I guess that shows where your priorities lay.

[Tim]

Yes, actually, I do have a problem with it.

I don't think anyone would dispute that for the value of that watch, fifty poor families could be fed for a year or two. Regardless of whether he bought it, stole it, found it on the ground or received it as a gift.

I'm hardly revolutionary but I'd have a hard time justifying wearing a $10000 watch when there are people in the world who simply don't have enough food to eat.

[fernando]

As far as I remember it was a gift from a friend or relative.

[Che1990]

The gold rolex was a gift he received from a friend IIRC.


He was wearing it when he died. The CIA agent who killed him chopped his hands off to send to people as proof he was dead then he stole the watch for himself. Bloody CIA bastards!

[codyvo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 07:21 AM
Yes, actually, I do have a problem with it.

I don't think anyone would dispute that for the value of that watch, fifty poor families could be fed for a year or two. Regardless of whether he bought it, stole it, found it on the ground or received it as a gift.

I'm hardly revolutionary but I'd have a hard time justifying wearing a $10000 watch when there are people in the world who simply don't have enough food to eat.
Agreed. Che was a great man but no one is perfect and I thing this was one of his faults.

[NovelGentry]

Well, I guess that shows where your priorities lay.

My priorities lay in emancipating the working class. Not telling people what they can/cannot/should/should not buy.

Some people would get fired for wearing the type of shit that comes out of thrift stores. And for all your organic food and hand made garmets which tend to be far more expensive than any of the clothes one could buy from say... wal mart, someone making less than minimum wage trying to raise some kids can't exactly buy "farmer's choice" products.

No doubt they could then "join the farmers collective" though... who doesn't want to live like people did in the 1700s!

[wei]

Great pics!!! Thank!

I LOVE Che!!! I hope i can be his comrade!!

[NovelGentry]

I don't think anyone would dispute that for the value of that watch, fifty poor families could be fed for a year or two. Regardless of whether he bought it, stole it, found it on the ground or received it as a gift.

I'm hardly revolutionary but I'd have a hard time justifying wearing a $10000 watch when there are people in the world who simply don't have enough food to eat.

$10,000 eh?

A similar rolex from 20 years later costs $3,500 NOW... Exactly how much did a Rolex cost in the 1960s? How much does your computer cost? What about your car? What about all the other various little things you have that you'd never need?

The problem with going down the road you're going is you pin the responsibility of this on the working class, and not those who exploit them. If it is our duty to "feed ourselves" regardless of this exploitation then you give the capitalists more feul for the fire. "Well why don't you cut your paycheck to the homeless... why don't you take them in? Why don't you feed them?"

As much as charity may help an extremely limited number of people for an extremely limited period of time, it is not the solution, and it is not our solution. If it is yours maybe you would like to join the other bourgeois communist philantrophers.

[codyvo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:20 PM

Well, I guess that shows where your priorities lay.

My priorities lay in emancipating the working class. Not telling people what they can/cannot/should/should not buy.

I am the one looking out for the workers, the gold mines have worse conditions than any sweat shop or current labour camp they are the ones that need help, and I'm not saying you can't buy clothes from anywhere if you don't have the money, I am saying that if you have the money for one of those rolex's you can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart.

[NovelGentry]

I am the one looking out for the workers, the gold mines have worse conditions than any sweat shop or current labour camp they are the ones that need help, and I'm not saying you can't buy clothes from anywhere if you don't have the money, I am saying that if you have the money for one of those rolex's you can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart.

THE WORKERS DON'T NEED YOU TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM

EDIT: correction, look out for.

[codyvo]

If the workers don't need us to look out for them then why do we even say we're the workers party?

[NovelGentry]

I never claimed to be "the workers party" ... nor do I believe in party politics or that the workers should have much of anything to do with any "communist party."

[codyvo]

Misunderstanding then. I thought you were a member of the communist or socialist party in which case you would be in the "workers party." Well if you aren't a communist or socialist then this argument is over I try to supprt the workers effort directly and you don't, not to say you don't care about the workers, no offense to you.

[NovelGentry]

Misunderstanding then. I thought you were a member of the communist or socialist party in which case you would be in the "workers party." Well if you aren't a communist or socialist then this argument is over I try to supprt the workers effort directly and you don't, not to say you don't care about the workers, no offense to you.

I never said I wasn't a communist or socialist. I am certainly not someone who deals in lifestyle politics, boycott politics, and party politics.

[codyvo]

Well then that's where we differ, I think that you need to boycott, and live your life the way that's best for your cause.

[NovelGentry]

Well then that's where we differ, I think that you need to boycott, and live your life the way that's best for your cause.

I'm certainly all for living for my cause... where we differ is that you believe boycotting serves it -- I do not.

[codyvo]

Well whether you meant that to be insulting or not I agree, I do think boycotting works, especially if you get lots of people to join.

[NovelGentry]

Well whether you meant that to be insulting or not I agree, I do think boycotting works, especially if you get lots of people to join.

For now, for you, for future reference, and for others -- I rarely intend to be insulting. Although it has happened a few times, once very recently when I was arguing cobra.

[codyvo]

Good, then we can agree to disagree, even though I hate that fucking saying.

[Tim]

$10,000 eh?

A similar rolex from 20 years later costs $3,500 NOW... Exactly how much did a Rolex cost in the 1960s? How much does your computer cost? What about your car? What about all the other various little things you have that you'd never need?


The exact dollar value of the watch is peripheral to the arguement. Since you're insisting on pedantry, however, I'm sure that $3500 is still more than the annual wages of several Cuban or Bolivian families combined. Deflection, by personalising the arguement, does not address the issue at hand, either: when I am being hailed as champion of the down-trodden and a martyr for the revolutionary left it may be more relevant.


The problem with going down the road you're going is you pin the responsibility of this on the working class, and not those who exploit them. If it is our duty to "feed ourselves" regardless of this exploitation then you give the capitalists more feul for the fire. "Well why don't you cut your paycheck to the homeless... why don't you take them in? Why don't you feed them?"


What road am I going down by criticising Guevara wearing a gold rolex? Where do I state that it is our duty to feed ourselves regardless of exploitation? You seem to have introduced your own agenda here.


As much as charity may help an extremely limited number of people for an extremely limited period of time, it is not the solution, and it is not our solution. If it is yours maybe you would like to join the other bourgeois communist philantrophers.

Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with my questioning the gold rolex. In any case, what are you suggesting? Perhaps that donating money to Tsunami victims or to cancer research is pointless? That we should do away with it? Please clarify.

I mentioned the rolex simply to re-iterate a point that I've made several times on this site. Namely, that when it comes to the romantic figures of Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, the posters on this website seem to absolutely refuse their shortcomings, in a sense deifying them. This hardly leads to objective arguement. Would you make the same excuses for a Wall St banker wearing a rolex or driving a Ferrari?

[NovelGentry]

The exact dollar value of the watch is peripheral to the arguement. Since you're insisting on pedantry, however, I'm sure that $3500 is still more than the annual wages of several Cuban or Bolivian families combined. Deflection, by personalising the arguement, does not address the issue at hand, either: when I am being hailed as champion of the down-trodden and a martyr for the revolutionary left it may be more relevant.

But the exact dollar value is not, as it was you who deemed it would be capable of feeding all those people. The exact dollar value is thus very intrinsic to the argument, since both during his time, and during ours, money would be the means by which you afford that food.

Your more fundamental point, that of exploited labor is true essentially for all products under capitalism. If you'd be so kind as to recognize this, you'd not be on here preaching boycott politics and philantrophy, which is effectively the two arguments you've established.

Che should have boycotted such a product because of the nature in which it was built. Well what about the guns he used for the revolution? Should he not have abandoned those too for the metal mined in their construction? Maybe they should have never even got on the Granma because it was no doubt built under such exploitative conditions.

And if he didn't do that, the least he could have done was sold everything, guns and all... that way he could temporarily ease the suffering of people as opposed to attempting a way in which to emancipate them indefinitely.


What road am I going down by criticising Guevara wearing a gold rolex? Where do I state that it is our duty to feed ourselves regardless of exploitation? You seem to have introduced your own agenda here.

You've established that somehow wearing a gold rolex is an infringement of his own supposed beliefs. You allieviate the responsibility of the exploitation from that who exploits to make the gold rolex, and place it on the person who buys it.

No doubt you could say "well if no one bought them or wore them, they'd go out of business..." -- this is true, but another business would take it's place... unless you would prefer that no one bought or wore watches in general.


Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with my questioning the gold rolex. In any case, what are you suggesting? Perhaps that donating money to Tsunami victims or to cancer research is pointless? That we should do away with it? Please clarify.

No, I'm not saying it is pointless... I'm saying it's not what communism is about. And yes, we should do away with donating money... we should do away with money itself, and thus the idea of donating it will be gone with it.


I mentioned the rolex simply to re-iterate a point that I've made several times on this site. Namely, that when it comes to the romantic figures of Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, the posters on this website seem to absolutely refuse their shortcomings, in a sense deifying them. This hardly leads to objective arguement. Would you make the same excuses for a Wall St banker wearing a rolex or driving a Ferrari?

No, because the wall street banker makes his money through exploitation -- afterall, he is a Wall Street banker. I would, however, make the same argument for a working class American who decides to save up for such a thing. It is not my position to say what the working class should or should not buy with their money... they get so little of the value they create for the world to begin with, I see no problem with them having things that make them happy or that they find of significant use.

The only ones who seem to deify these figures seem to be the ones who are the most shocked when they find out they wore a gold rolex... or had a maid... or ran a textile factory. I'm very accepting of their shortcomings, if you consider things to be such, which is why I find it so amazing when such a big deal is made about this kind of nonsense.

[bassplayinllamas]

this is a great site with tons of pictures of che it also has a short biography on him
http://flag.blackened.net/kara/political/che/

[Anti-establishment]

Nice pics mate :rolleyes: