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Subversive Pessimist
15th October 2004, 14:39
Think about it for a little while.


In a communist society, you have the opportunity to work whenever you want, without ever being 'forced' to work for another person. You can take whatever you want that you normally had to work several hours for in a capitalist society. You would not have to work for another man, but for the community and for yourself. If you're one of the many in a capitalist society that are living in poverty, you would normally be frustrated and angry when you see a few people living in luxury, having a giant house, big sports cars, while themselves are not doing anything, and still has the right to utilize all of this, while you, who work 16 hours a day, don't. How can you support this system, and why would you like to live in such a society, driven by money and greed? Why would you not live in a society where everybody are living together as equals?

NovelGentry
15th October 2004, 16:09
Not everyone believes people are equals...furthermore, if you grew up in a society that pushes that sort of greed you are more than likely very greedy yourself, so why would you give up what you have now (which at least makes greed possible) for something that destroys it altogether. What would you live for? Greed is all that some people know.

revolutionindia
17th October 2004, 05:32
Mate people here are tired of
why not this????,why not that??? and why not everthing else???threads

The answers are all out there
Just learn to listen and you will not need to keep asking this question again

The Forum Idiot
17th October 2004, 06:58
The brilliance of communism is its, at least in theory, self sufficient. So, if everyone in the community were intellectuals they'd realise that if they worked it would create a better community, if they don't work and do get their mansion then they wouldn't really bepart of the community because they have no role in it, communism would just run on without them, they'd die and have made no contribution to society, their mansion would be taken and used for the community, maybe turned into a place for those in poverty to live, etc. Also, how would the lazy dude have gotten a mansion? Surely somebody would have needed to build it for him which would take a LOT of time and the builder wouldn't be paid so would have little incentive to build it.

Danton
17th October 2004, 11:16
Well, I'm convinced :rolleyes:

FuckWar
18th October 2004, 05:41
I am glad we all cleared this up. So, you fellas wanna start communism on say, thursday next week? Lets meet at the mall and take it from there.

Professor Moneybags
18th October 2004, 16:30
In a communist society, you have the opportunity to work whenever you want, without ever being 'forced' to work for another person.

I've already pointed out that this is totally incompatible with a society in which positive rights are enforced.


You can take whatever you want that you normally had to work several hours for in a capitalist society.

So if no one is working then where do these goods, which we "can take whatever you want" come from ?


You would not have to work for another man, but for the community and for yourself.

You work for the "community" ? Errr....and what does the "community" consist of exactly, if not "other men" ?

Communism, like the words you use to describe it, has no grounding in reality.

Nordic Champion
18th October 2004, 17:39
Because it kills all that is epic about humans. Life is about the will to dominate, to conquer, to lead. And under communism, all of that is replaced by a grey mush of an animal like existance.

ÑóẊîöʼn
18th October 2004, 19:14
Because it kills all that is epic about humans.

Entirely the opposite. Instead of people being divided by nations, they are united the world over, meaning the entirety of humanity can achieve things nations can only dream of.


Life is about the will to dominate, to conquer, to lead.

So you say. But I say that life is about having as much fun as possible.


And under communism, all of that is replaced by a grey mush of an animal like existance.

If by 'grey mush' and 'animal like existence' you mean not having to work your arse off for a crust and not worrying about the next bureaucratic /government excess then you're a glutton for punishment.

Nazi.

lena
18th October 2004, 19:40
i think nowadays it is to late to start a communism in a country again, cause people know how it failured....
i think it is impossible that people life together in a community for a longer time, where everybody has the same amoung of proberty, cause there will always be people who have more power and so more money and a other living standart.

also the idea of working sound great but i´m not quite sure if people will work hard enough when they are able to organize their working day on their own without the control of anybody - i think you know that: "i will do that tomorrow" or "somebody else will do it"....!

it would be really great if we would be able to build up such a community, which would really work but i´m not quite sure if there are enought people who have the same attitude towards having all the same and not being better than anotherone.

it is likely for humans to try to be better than otherones...!

Nordic Champion
18th October 2004, 22:54
Entirely the opposite. Instead of people being divided by nations, they are united the world over, meaning the entirety of humanity can achieve things nations can only dream of.

Why would I want to be united with the negros, the asians, and all the other sub-races? They do not deserve to stand on an equal footing with me.





If by 'grey mush' and 'animal like existence' you mean not having to work your arse off for a crust and not worrying about the next bureaucratic /government excess then you're a glutton for punishment.

Instead have to beg for everything from the community? No man with pride would willingly accept such a situation.




Nazi.

Communist.

PRC-UTE
18th October 2004, 23:45
"Nordic Champion" should be given an award for Most Ironic Poster! :lol:

Nordic Champion
19th October 2004, 01:02
You should recieve an award for chugging the most cum before puking, "OglachMcGlinchey"

ÑóẊîöʼn
19th October 2004, 03:55
Why would I want to be united with the negros, the asians, and all the other sub-races? They do not deserve to stand on an equal footing with me.

Whoa who whoa, first of all, prove that the races exist as anything other than superficial differences and social constructs, and then explain white superiority when in 1421 the chinese built vast 'treasure ships' that were an an engineering marvel. www.1421.tv has much more details, but it's better to read the book. You might want to rethink your ideas about racial superiority.

And since when do millions of people suddenly not deserve a decent living? there's something to be said for generalisations.


Instead have to beg for everything from the community? No man with pride would willingly accept such a situation.

Ah yes the other cherished fascist institution; the preservation of gender roles.
You do not beg anything from the community - you give and recieve gifts.
If you ask somebody for something, they might ask for a favour in return or they might ask for nothing at all. Of course this is a bad idea from your viewpoint because it invalidates your dog-eat-dog social interaction theory.

Professor Moneybags
19th October 2004, 15:18
Why would I want to be united with the negros, the asians, and all the other sub-races? They do not deserve to stand on an equal footing with me.
You are a nazi. Why are they "sub-races" ? Explain.

ComradeRed
19th October 2004, 22:34
I've already pointed out that this is totally incompatible with a society in which positive rights are enforced. ...to those who can afford it!