Ugh.. - Just heard

[Xvall]

I just heard on the news that the FBI and CIA can legally spy on any group or political party they want in order to ensure a 'fight against terrorism'. Load of crap..
Just one more step on the road to dictatorship..

[Josip Broz Tito]

U$A is slowly becoming a dictatorship. It has never been a free country, it was a dictatorship even before, but at least they were doing that secretly. Now they openly showed their real face.
And that pig Bush is talking something about Cuba. Clean your own shit first you asshole.

[Avamatha]

Now now, enough with the "let's all bully the Bush-boy!" Just think, if there wasn't for him, there would no fun in this war-thing at all. ^_^

[Josip Broz Tito]

Avamatha, I can understand your point. Now, when we have that pig Bush, we have somebody to hate (or somebody to dislike, because I don't think I hate anybody) and it is more fun, but for me, world would be far more interesting place without that pig Bush. At least less people would suffer which will make me feel better.

[Avamatha]

Josip, yes, if we talk seriously, somebody should find a gun and quick and use "pig Bush" as target before more people get killed.

[Blasphemy]

another excuse to deprive people of their privacy.

[BOZG]

It's bad enough when the big intelligence agencies are able to do that but even local police are allowed to tap phones without a court order.

[flames of the flag]

it pisses me off, that even when they know that americans still think their country is free, are they ignorant or just stupid!?

[man in the red suit]

I would say America is pretty dam free. Yeah America fucking sux for oppressing comrads all over the world, and they are definitely fascist, but I would still say that they're probly one of the countries with the most freedoms in the world besides many European countries.
I live here and I have been able to use my freedom of speech pretty easily. Just try to go to Iraq and make fun of Sadam's mustouche. You will apreciate America's freedoms then. America is pretty dam far from a dictatorship, regardless of how capitalist they are. You can still hate America. I don't even love it that much, but don't tell me that it is a dictatorship, that is really stupid.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 3:11 am on June 4, 2002)

[Xvall]

Red Suit..
You're a little wrong..
You cannot hate America much..
If America sees you as a big enough threat, you will be silenced.. That's a fact..
It is on it's way to a totalitarian state..
Just watch..

[Nateddi]

Yea, look what happened to Martin Luther King. His vast of support with his socialistic beliefs had the US government on his tail, wiretapping his phone, etc.

I support freedom of speech however it is useless. The two party system is a deadlock, it is designed so that third parties will only bring their cause lower. (eg. far left party takes away half centre-left voters and splits them among the two, while the moderate right party stays in tact, giving them full control over the congress). Our campaign financing is made so the wealthy will contribute the most, as they do; corporations contribute usually equally to both of the major parties in the US. Lets see what else.... our media is owned by corporations, a fair analysis of an anti-corporate viewpoint is seldom if not completely nonexistant; our debate commision is a private corporation; I could go on and on. Read Ralph Nader, he ran into trouble with these kinds of landmines on the terrain called Bourgeois Democracy, even though Ralph himself is pro-capitalist for the most part (although borderline socialist).

This is what bourgeois democracy essentially is. Who cares if you say "Bush looks like an ape", will this somehow threaten the administration, or more importantly the capitalist system? Ofcourse not. Sensoring this kind of speech only makes the government look bad, and they don't accomplish anything by eliminating the liberal comedians. Real change would not be existant, I really don't believe democratic socialism is as simple as it is (eg. gather popular support and vote out capitalism). Historically it has been proven, the government will get onto you when they know you are a threat.

This isn't dictatorship in the dictionary term, rather its bourgeois democracy, or bourgeois dictatorship. Whatever.

[Lefty]

actually when you realize that this country is one of the only ones where you can openly hate it, it doesnt seem so bad.


wait, yes it does

[El Brujo]

The U$ is a 2 party (democrats and republicans) totalitarian state. Indpendents are purposely screwed over by the electoral college and the "winner takes all" bullshit. My political science teacher (who knows his shit) even said that maintaining the electoral college is for the sole purpose of not giving independent parties or plain people (which is ironic since a democracy is supposed to be for the people) enougph power. Not to mention that the votes are based on who has enougph money to pay for propaganda so no non-rich person could ever become president. Nice little "democracy" we have here isn't it?

[Domino]

Well, I don't live in the U$ (Thank God!) but I can tell it's not a free country. AT ALL! I used to think we were oppressed here in México, but man, we are not that much really, and we are in the glory compared to the U$! Land of the free my ass!

[I Will Deny You]

The recent rules were put into place after COINTELPRO's details were made public and everyone got really pissed. I think that the rules went a little too far. The FBI should have been able to infiltrate the Weathermen because they were idiots. However, the FBI shouldn't have as much leeway as Ashcroft has given it. Many of COINTELPRO's mistakes should not be repeated, but it looks like that's what will happen.

Lindsay