Colombia - Colombia have just elected a new president

[Needssomeconvincing]

Colombia have just elected a new hardline leader,Alvaro Uribe. He is using the guise of fighting crime to take more american money to fight FARC.He hasn't realised the futility of this fight. His country has already used $1 billion+ in the civil war with little effect. Sadly I know very little about the conflict in Colombia as only FARC attacks and nothing else are broadcast on tv and radio. What does everyone else think?

[revolutionary spirit]

i think the CIA all had a good wank when this guy got elected

[Borincano]

Most likely the guy will be assassinated or kidnapped and tourtured then killed by the F.A.R.C.

[Needssomeconvincing]

I know what you mean.Now the CIA doesnt even need to pressure these people to keep a civil war going. Their doing it themselves.

[revolutionary spirit]

the FARC have tried 7 times to waste this guy

[MindCrime]

Yea, all they talk about are the "horrible horrible" acts of terrorism the FARC perpetrate, but somehow 75% of human rights violations in Columbia are caused by the right-wing paramilitaries, supported and trained by the U$ and Colombian militaries jointly. These are the same Paramilitaries that help the drug cartels do their business (in return for more arms, of course) and kill of union leaders (much to Coca Cola's pleasure) cuz they might be FARCies in the closet. The U$ gives Columbia money to "fight drugs" even tho the gov there and their paramilitary madmen are closely linked to the drug trade in that country whilst the FARC wants to shoot the drug lords and distribute their wealth throughout.

Amerikkka really knows that money will to go to defending Occtentoils huge pipeline across Columbia, cuz Bush knows if he doesnt give it to Big Oil theyll just buy, er...elect...a new prez. Oh yea, and Bush still thinks were in the Cold War, so we gotta fight the Communist Menace!

It's also worth noting that FARC was origonally part of a big leftist political party that was wiped out through assassinations and murder (the're those paramilitaries go again) so thry took to the hills. This is the only voice some people have in Columbia, sad as it is.....

[Needssomeconvincing]

It's a damning inditment on our society when a people are forced to use an illegal drug-dealing terrorist organization as their mouthpiece against a legal drug-dealing terrorist organization:-(

[liderDeFARC]

oh if i had time to write i would. I am calling Andres to come and back me up. You better get this or read it fool, i dont want to look like an idiot. well yes Uribe is the typical guy who says i will change this and that and out with the FARC, blah blah blah. Well Colombias government (and a whole lot of other shit) revolves around drugs and narcotrafficking (thats how corrupt they are). Oh the money that comes to Colombia. Now the FARC has been up to no good for a long time. They have abandoned their original cause which was fighting for the people and now got involved with the cocaine business (oh yea now as disappointing as it is for me to say it... they have turned from fighting for the people to fighting the people, and killing them) I cant say more its very upsetting for me. Uribe is a piece of shit. I call him the cat. He has like 9 lives and he wont die. ANd the other candidates werent that good. I was hoping Serpa would win, because he seems to have a good idea of how to deal with the Bush's dumb plans (plan Colombia, ha! funniest piece of caca). He would have not let the u$ intervened according to his speeches.

Change is needed.......

[elizquierdista]

In the words of Serpa, "se lo digo en....paisa....gringos malucos." Had he only won the situation would be better in me opinion. Wouldn't be that much better, but it would be somewhat improved. And lider DeFARC you verry correct, too much to say with so little time.

[Needssomeconvincing]

I don't know.Colombia is locked in a cycle and if only one side is willing to work for peace it will not end.Even if Serpa was elected,I don't think FARC would have done anything to help.That said,LiderDeFARC is right Uribe is a piece of $hit.

[Dynatos]

I don't know if this will ever happen but what do you think would happen if FARC eliminated the capitalist government and colombia became communist? Do you think they would stop drug trade?

[Needssomeconvincing]

Dynatos,no way would they stop.The drugs trade gives FARC their little hit of power(bad pun).And as we know absolute power corrupts absolutely.If anything the drugs trade would increase.What Colombia needs is a communist/socialist party with no connections to FARC.

[Dynatos]

As long as the U$ is capitalist i think the FARC is doing a good thing by exporting drugs. It supportes a Communist system. Communism is what we want right? If columbia became communist under FARC rule it would be better for them to continue exporting drugs. Exporting druges would fund a communist government at the cost of the capitalist government. Besides... cokain isn't that bad.

SUPPORT THE FARC!!!!! USE COKAIN (responsibly)!!!!!

[Borincano]

Everyone, I invite you to this thread Colombia defeats the left!!!! (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=431) to voice your opinion and help defeat the fascists in the thread!

[Needssomeconvincing]

Boricano,I've already registered my disgust on that thread too. Dynatos how is selling death any different than killing people? FARC aren't a socialist group anymore, I don't support their use of violence as a political weapon. No-one should use violence to gain political power it doesn't help it just escalates the problem.

[Dynatos]

Violence is the only way to go. It's sad but true. If not by violence then how do you want them to take controle of the country?
Selling druges is like selling suacide machines. If someone buys one, to bad for them. If they stop making suacide machines people will find another way to kill themselfs.

[Needssomeconvincing]

Got to disagree Dynatos. Democratic routes are the only way to go to gain outside credibility. You can scare people all you like but you can't gain respect if you use violence

[Vladimir]

Go Dave!!!!!....Sure FARC are just as corrupt as all the rest..
We need Pablo Escobar back!!
The FedEx of Cocaine

[Dynatos]

Quote: from Needssomeconvincing on 10:17 pm on June 3, 2002
Got to disagree Dynatos. Democratic routes are the only way to go to gain outside credibility. You can scare people all you like but you can't gain respect if you use violence


OK maby your right. Maby the colombian bourgeois will just let the proletarians take controle of everything. I'm sure the bourgeois will just step aside and let the proletarians take all there money and land. I'm sure they don't want it anyway. (I'm being sarcastic)