I Got A Question

[captain anarchy]

is it really human nature to self destruct and destroy all as i have been told and as i have seen in the world around me? and if it is the why do we try to not self destruct and destroy and just let our selfs die. my veiw on the world is that people will gain to much technology to fast and piss off every one and blow the world up causeing end to all life. this i think will happen in the next thousand to two thousand years. i think this cause people and technology don't mix well people have tested things like the atom bomb and hydrogen bomb not knowing the power and damage it could cause and for all they knew it could end the world but they did it any way. and one day they will test a technology wepon and end the world through a act of stupidity.

and also i think people are dumber than most animals compare a ape family to a group of humans from what i've seen the apes are more civilized.

[LSD]

and also i think people are dumber than most animals compare a ape family to a group of humans from what i've seen the apes are more civilized.

Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!!

You've either seen some really uncivilized people or some incredibly civilized apes.

I understand the attempt at "social commentary", but even you must admit that the statement is ludicrous. It's all well good to challange humanity's arrogance, we certainly deserve a "few knocks", but civilized apes?

What was the last play by an ape? Or the last vaccine developed by one?

Civilization, at this point, is practically synonymous with human civilization. Nothing else comes close. Sure we've got problems, but, honestly, so do apes and dogs and elephants and birds and mosquitos.

Our problems are harder and more complex but only because we live harder and more complex lives. It's a trade off. Personally I think it's worth it.

Better, richer, smarter, longer lives.

You really want to trade places with an "ape"?



i think this cause people and technology don't mix well

Ah but penguin and technology, that's a "match made in heaven"! :D

We are the only species to truly invent technology, therefore of course "people and technology" mix. In fact, technology doesn't "mix" with anything else!


people have tested things like the atom bomb and hydrogen bomb not knowing the power and damage it could cause and for all they knew it could end the world but they did it any way.

True.
Atom bomb bad.

What's your point?

Should we abandon technology so we can achieve the perfection of the "apes"? At this point, we really don't have a choice. Technology's not "going anywhere", so like it or not all we can do is labour to control that technology and try to prevent abuse or mishandling.


and one day they will test a technology wepon and end the world through a act of stupidity.

...or we won't.

You really don't know.

Of course neither do I, but what I do know is that such "theorizing" is ultimately fruitless. If indeed you are correct and we will "destroy ourselves" in a thousand years, we might as well just give up now.

After all, we're just going to "blow ourselves up anyways".

Apocalyptic thinking never goes anywhere. We're all going to die so..... If you are correct then there is nothing we can do, but if you are wrong there is a lot we can do. We can work to make a better society and a better people. If you're wrong than we could make a society that will last for a long time. But even if you're right, where's the harm. If we do "blow ourselves up", it won't really matter.

Personally I'm going to assume that you're wrong, since either way we pretty much do the same thing. I can just do without the needless depression.

[captain anarchy]

well i guess you know alot more civilized people than me evrey one i know sept for a few people are arogant abuseive and very un educated. they treat everyone like shit. i've watched documentorys on apes and even ones of them in their natural habitat and they at least are desent to each other. they at least acknowlege them selfs as equal to each other for the most part and humans tend to think their better than all.

[LSD]

i've watched documentorys on apes and even ones of them in their natural habitat and they at least are desent to each other. they at least acknowlege them selfs as equal to each other

Monkeys of the world unite...

Where you came up with this idea of "communist monkeys" I'll never know, but trust me that it is entirely fallacial.

Ape societies are just as hegemonic, just as "abusive", and just as full of assholes as ours. Overall, human society (even capitalist society) is far more "fair" than its ape counterpart. You may percieve ape life as idylic but that's only because you can't understand the intricacies of what you see on your screen.

You don't see a monkey "flipping the bird" so you figure Wow, they're all polite and stuff to each other, but what you don't realize is that in their own way they are oppressing and abusing and insulting one another right in front of you. You just don't "speak the language", as it were.

When one gorilla beats the ground in front of the other, you see it as just "gorilla behaviour", but to that gorilla it's a friendly "Fuck You".

Again, "apes" not better than humans.

And as for the issue of "education" among apes....well, I think that one speaks for itself.

You may think that you know a lot of "uneducated people", but have ever tried having a conversation with a lemur??

[captain anarchy]

ok apes were just an exaple ok. but i do find animals more caring than humans. like my pet cat that i saved from being killed always will come comfort me when all others abandon. but i think are to jugemental and currupt. animals don't judge as far as i seen. i accept people for who they are if they are an asshole i have nothing to do with them but if they are not an asshole i will hang out with them.

[LSD]

Of course animals "judge less", they think less.

Personal judgement takes cognition.

I completely agree that humans are smarter than animals.

oh, but wait...

and also i think people are dumber than most animals
hmm...that doesn't seem to "jive".


like my pet cat that i saved from being killed always will come comfort me when all others abandon.

"My cat loves me" therefore "animals are smarter than people"???

I'm getting the feeling there's a lot of emotion and vague notions going into this position. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't try to pretend that you can rationally defend the position that humans are "dumber" than animals.

I'm going to end with my original post:

I understand the attempt at "social commentary", but even you must admit that the statement is ludicrous. It's all well good to challange humanity's arrogance, we certainly deserve a "few knocks", but civilized apes?

[captain anarchy]

i don't really think we can actually say for sure if animals or humans are smarter cause neither fully understands the mind or thoughts or intellegence of the other comletely. we are continualy doing research on animals and for all we know they could be doing research on us with out us knowing it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

is it really human nature to self destruct and destroy all as i have been told and as i have seen in the world around me?

No, there is a human tendency to attempt to change the universe according to personal preferences. Change, however carefully undertaken, is destructive, because in building new structures you have to tear down the old.



and if it is the why do we try to not self destruct and destroy and just let our selfs die.

Because human beings are living things, and will grimly hold on to life as long as possible.


my veiw on the world is that people will gain to much technology to fast and piss off every one and blow the world up causeing end to all life.

With technology comes social change, it is true that agressive societies with lots of technology are the first to go, but increased technology also increases the effects of benevolence and altruism as well as aggression. So far we have proved altruistic enough to survive nuclear weapons, but who knows? Maybe antimatter weaponry will prove to be our demise, or maybe we will engage in mutual destruction with other sentients.


this i think will happen in the next thousand to two thousand years.

We have a pessimist in the house.


i think this cause people and technology don't mix well people have tested things like the atom bomb and hydrogen bomb not knowing the power and damage it could cause and for all they knew it could end the world but they did it any way

There is always a risk when new technology is developed. The people who built the first nuclear reactor knew little of the devestation nuclear weapons would cause.
We may be lucky in that we have foresight when we build the first antimatter reactor.


and also i think people are dumber than most animals compare a ape family to a group of humans from what i've seen the apes are more civilized.

I think humans are the most civilised animals on Earth. This is because we invented mercy, justice and love.

[T_SP]

There's no such thing as Human Nature. :ph34r:

[God of Imperia]

You can't say that all humans are bad. That's just not true, some aren't as bad, some can't help it and you even have people who are or do good ... The world is not a black and white picture.