Nader @ Harvard

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http://iopforum.harvard.edu:8080/ramgen/fr100404nader.rm

I know how some of you feel about nader, I'm just posting this because I found it very interesting. He faced an EXTREMELY ROUGH crowd.

Fast forward to 36minutes 54seconds ....that is the start of the Q&A period, where he faced questions from mostly kerry supporters. The period lasts for about 40-50 minutes.....it is very very good, and I urge all of you to watch it.

During the speech he called harvard law school/students "nothing but a high-priced tool factory for corporate law firms"

Which was funny, but the real gems are in the Q&A period (about 36 minutes in).
He rips the pro-kerry supporters to shreds.

[NovelGentry]

Thank you for this.

[Militant]

You attend Harvard?

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Nope.LOL

[Xvall]

Go Nader.

[Pawn Power]

I watched the Q&A period it was somewhat intresting, raised my thoughts of Nadar. He seems very intelligent and is more radical then I thought.

[STI]

Remind me again why we care about the electoral system.

[Freedom Writer]

Who is nader, liberal or something? Im from finland I dont really know and I havent yet listened to that.

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This will help...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader

[NovelGentry]

Remind me again why we care about the electoral system.

Cause we're not all in favor of single party or single person dictators.

[h&s]

Just a dictatorship of the borgeoise then?

[NovelGentry]

No, Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

[h&s]

So why do you care about the electoral system then?

[NovelGentry]

I think you're confusing what I'm talking about.

I do not approve of the current electoral system -- that is, the electoral college. This is what I'm saying, however, I do approve of elections. I think democracy is beyond important, assuming it is a realistic semblance of democracy and not the corporate controlled pseudo-twin we see today. However, I also realize that someone like Nader stands for electoral reform, which I would like to see in my lifetime to prove to me that democracy CAN work. Things like IRV and Minority Initiated Impeachment (would still require majority vote on impeachment to succeed) are important in democracy, if you ask me. So if you're asking me why I think the electoral system in general is important 1) because I believe in executive representatives, pre-revolution, during revolution, and post revolution before communism. 2) Because the current electoral system has the ability to shake down the bourgeoisie, whether people believe it or not.

[Agent provocateur]

I like Nader and plan to vote for him.

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 11:05 AM

Cause we're not all in favor of single party or single person dictators.
Why not just use demarchal workers' councils? (after the revolution, of course).

Communists should offer NO legitimacy to the fith-basket that is the parliamentary system. It's inconducive to change. It's crap. Don't waste your time. Don't vote.


I like Nader and plan to vote for him.

What do you mean "like"? I'm sure he's a "nice guy", but that doesn't change the fact that he's a reformist idiot and a tool of the bourgeoisie.

[NovelGentry]

Why not just use demarchal workers' councils? (after the revolution, of course).

No reason not to, but changing the form of a state doesn't change the fact that it's a state.


Communists should offer NO legitimacy to the fith-basket that is the parliamentary system. It's inconducive to change.

It's inconducive to certain change, namely the radical changes that can only be brought about from revolution, but not all change. As such, it's legitimacy is not applicable to any society other than that which it creates and sustains, but we still live in that society so until the actions we take outside of that system are able to overthrow that system it still maintains a self-legitimate purpose.

This does not say that we should devote inclusively all our actions to this system, because our goal should not be anything near the current system. In fact, we should devote a HUGE majority... something like 99.999999% to working outside that system. But if we ignore the current system completely we will only become numb to it and lose arguments against that specific syste -- arguments which are key for explaining to others why they should be fighting against that system, and thus raising class consciousness.