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Intifada
1st October 2004, 20:20
At least 80 people have been killed and over 100 wounded as US and Iraqi forces pounded Samarra, seizing the city hall and police stations, medics and the military said.



The early Friday morning attack amounted to the first major effort by US and Iraqi forces to reclaim parts of Iraq ahead of nationwide parliamentary elections scheduled for January.

US troops and one battalion each from the Iraqi army and national guard stormed the city before dawn on Friday after a previous arrangement signed on 9 September for US forces to enter the town and patrol peacefully fell apart one week ago.

At least 80 bodies and more than 100 wounded were brought to Samarra General Hospital, said Dr Khalid Ahmad. The hospital was running out bandages, oxygen and other supplies, he added.

Residents cowered in their homes as tanks and warplanes pounded the city overnight. The sound of loud shelling mixed with the crackle of automatic gunfire continued into the morning.

At least three houses were flattened and dozens of cars charred, residents said.

"We are terrified by the violent approach used by the Americans to subdue the city," said Mahmud Salah, a 33-year-old civil servant. "My wife and children are scared to death and they have not being able to sleep since last night. I hope that the fighting ends as soon as possible."

Military officials said two US soldiers were injured.

Water and electricity services were cut off, and troops ordered residents to stay off the streets as they moved from house to house in search of insurgents. A 7 pm to 7 am curfew was announced through loud-hailers.

More (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D9816F5A-8CC4-4D55-8E60-27111927472A.htm)

dopediana
1st October 2004, 22:27
prepare for american horror stories about samarra. last year the US attacked samarran civilians and killed roundabout 50 and said they thought they were insurgents. i remember time magazine had this little block devoted to it "what really happened in samarra?" and you had the GIs' stories that they thought they were bad guys and the villagers' stories that the GIs just came and killed indiscriminately. and they didn't know who to believe. jesus.

Intifada
2nd October 2004, 11:31
Ex-U.S. Marine: I Killed Civilians in Iraq (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/24/148212)

People like Jimmy Massey have already spoken about the US atrocities in Iraq.

Freedom Writer
2nd October 2004, 12:41
Iraq iraq iraq iraq iraq (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=693&NEXTID=0&PREVID=679&DISPLAYORDER=20030502000033&CAT=anims&NSFW=)

Intifada
2nd October 2004, 14:28
nevermind.

h&s
2nd October 2004, 21:06
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 11:41 AM
Iraq iraq iraq iraq iraq (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=693&NEXTID=0&PREVID=679&DISPLAYORDER=20030502000033&CAT=anims&NSFW=)
They have a point: I hate the way the media only ever comment on &#39;our&#39; wars, as if only &#39;our&#39; troops live&#39;s are worth anything. <_<

cheka
2nd October 2004, 23:18
Seriously, 80 people in Iraq and you&#39;re crying, yet your avatar bears an islamic militant with an AK-47. Hypocrisy? I think so. You&#39;re probably the same type of person that calls for "violent world revolution" and violence as "necessary for freeing the proletariat." Bunch of hypocrites... ):

Intifada
3rd October 2004, 11:56
Seriously, 80 people in Iraq and you&#39;re crying, yet your avatar bears an islamic militant with an AK-47.

80 murdered people affects hundreds of other people. The fact of the matter is that what the US is doing in Iraq is collective punishment of the population of Samarra. If a terrorist was found to be living in New York, would the US bomb the hell out of that city? I don&#39;t think so.

What the US is doing in Samarra is evidence of how little they care about the people of Iraq.

My avatar does not bear an "Islamic Militant". It bears a militant. Resistance is a legitimate reaction to oppression.


You&#39;re probably the same type of person that calls for "violent world revolution" and violence as "necessary for freeing the proletariat."

Yes. I do believe that violence is sometimes necessary in the search for freedom. But, you must remember that the people of Iraq and Palestine never asked for this fight for freedom.

PRC-UTE
3rd October 2004, 22:26
Seriously, 80 people in Iraq and you&#39;re crying, yet your avatar bears an islamic militant with an AK-47. Hypocrisy? I think so.

What&#39;s the hypocrisy???

Oh, you think this is:


You&#39;re probably the same type of person that calls for "violent world revolution" and violence as "necessary for freeing the proletariat." Bunch of hypocrites...

I could easily refute your silly bourgesoie logic, by dropping the fact that half the world is hungry or how many billions dead from capitalist imperial infighting during the last century. . . so our miniscule level of violence is really a moot point. . .

but I won&#39;t bother because this isn&#39;t the "Opposing Ideologies" board and you&#39;re in the wrong place, Cheka.
FREE PALESTINE
FREE IRAQ
FREE IRELAND&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

cheka
4th October 2004, 19:53
So its fine to kill people as long as they&#39;re rich and have acted first right? They&#39;re wrong for imposing on them, and you&#39;re right for killing them? Seems logical to me.

Billions killed in the last century? highly doubtful, any genoicides committed in the last century have been done by dictatorships, not "capitalist imperial infighting" How are the victims of Milosevic, stalin, hitler and countless other corrupt regimes victims of capitalist imperialism?

I find it really hard to take any of you seriously from the fact that you&#39;re all sitting behind your parents computer, living the high life of capitalist opportunity, even the right to be able to verbalize your opinions on this website. If someone from Iraq was speaking about American oppression to me, I might actually take them seriously, not a bunch of bourgeois revolutionaries, desperate do be seen as "vogue" in the eyes of their peers.

EneME
4th October 2004, 20:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:56 AM
Yes. I do believe that violence is sometimes necessary in the search for freedom. But, you must remember that the people of Iraq and Palestine never asked for this fight for freedom.
Agreed, and unlike the U&#036;, violence is usually the very last measure of resistance. Once they have used every type of peaceful resistance, oppressive governments will only pay attention to violence. Which of course, only results in a blood bath like the one that we have in Iraq now...

I find it really hard to take any of you seriously from the fact that you&#39;re all sitting behind your parents computer, living the high life of capitalist opportunity, even the right to be able to verbalize your opinions on this website. If someone from Iraq was speaking about American oppression to me, I might actually take them seriously, not a bunch of bourgeois revolutionaries, desperate do be seen as "vogue" in the eyes of their peers.
lol obviously you are an ignorant cappie because you are making broad assumptions about the hundreds (maybe even thousands) of members on this board. Try learning how to THINK CRITICALLY, and at least try to learn from where we got our point of views. We are all individuals who have taken different paths to get where we are...at least look at ppl&#39;s profiles.
Oh well... have fun in OI