Mandatory Conscription In Usa From June 2005

[Floyd.]

Apparantly there are plans afoot for conscription to resume in the US after the presidential election.
I was a little suspicious however there's a link to a government website which outlines the bill in full.

It can be found here (http://thomas.loc.gov/) :

Type in HR163 and it will being the bill up.

Also here. (http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp)

I think it's time to say bye bye Bush.

[Floyd.]

Apparantly there are plans afoot for conscription to resume in the US after the presidential election.
I was a little suspicious however there's a link to a government website which outlines the bill in full.

It can be found here (http://thomas.loc.gov/) :

Type in HR163 and it will being the bill up.

Also here. (http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp)

I think it's time to say bye bye Bush.

[Floyd.]

Apparantly there are plans afoot for conscription to resume in the US after the presidential election.
I was a little suspicious however there's a link to a government website which outlines the bill in full.

It can be found here (http://thomas.loc.gov/) :

Type in HR163 and it will being the bill up.

Also here. (http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp)

I think it's time to say bye bye Bush.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

WTF? Horrifying, albeit good find my friend. All People not living in US: be glad, while you may fear the US, we're in the belly of the beast... and that beast has a stomach ache.

By the way, Bush is going to win. I just know it. He didn't let losing get in his way last time, so why would he now?

[Anti-Capitalist1]

WTF? Horrifying, albeit good find my friend. All People not living in US: be glad, while you may fear the US, we're in the belly of the beast... and that beast has a stomach ache.

By the way, Bush is going to win. I just know it. He didn't let losing get in his way last time, so why would he now?

[Anti-Capitalist1]

WTF? Horrifying, albeit good find my friend. All People not living in US: be glad, while you may fear the US, we're in the belly of the beast... and that beast has a stomach ache.

By the way, Bush is going to win. I just know it. He didn't let losing get in his way last time, so why would he now?

[cormacobear]

So if any of you get drafted are you going to contientiously object, visit Canada, or serve. just curious. It seems rather relevent given the age of most of our members.

[cormacobear]

So if any of you get drafted are you going to contientiously object, visit Canada, or serve. just curious. It seems rather relevent given the age of most of our members.

[cormacobear]

So if any of you get drafted are you going to contientiously object, visit Canada, or serve. just curious. It seems rather relevent given the age of most of our members.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:11 PM
So if any of you get drafted are you going to contientiously object, visit Canada, or serve. just curious. It seems rather relevent given the age of most of our members.
Didn't Mohamed Ali concienciously onbject? And didn't they throw him in jail?

But, I'll be 18 in November, 2006, so... Canada, probably. Seving isn't a option, because I really don't want to have to envade Iran, or go on a crusade to spread "Democracy" throguhout the world.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:11 PM
So if any of you get drafted are you going to contientiously object, visit Canada, or serve. just curious. It seems rather relevent given the age of most of our members.
Didn't Mohamed Ali concienciously onbject? And didn't they throw him in jail?

But, I'll be 18 in November, 2006, so... Canada, probably. Seving isn't a option, because I really don't want to have to envade Iran, or go on a crusade to spread "Democracy" throguhout the world.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:11 PM
So if any of you get drafted are you going to contientiously object, visit Canada, or serve. just curious. It seems rather relevent given the age of most of our members.
Didn't Mohamed Ali concienciously onbject? And didn't they throw him in jail?

But, I'll be 18 in November, 2006, so... Canada, probably. Seving isn't a option, because I really don't want to have to envade Iran, or go on a crusade to spread "Democracy" throguhout the world.

[refuse_resist]

Actually it was the Democrats who are proposing to reinstate the draft. I'm sure the Republicans would do it also, but I know for a fact if Kerry gets elected they'll start drafting. He's been bragging about how he wants to send 40,000+ military personnel to the region.


Didn't Mohamed Ali concienciously onbject? And didn't they throw him in jail?

But, I'll be 18 in November, 2006, so... Canada, probably. Seving isn't a option, because I really don't want to have to envade Iran, or go on a crusade to spread "Democracy" throguhout the world.
Yeah he did.

As far as Canada goes, I dunno about going there. Supposedly they have already made a pact with the U.S. to turn in any draft dodgers.

[refuse_resist]

Actually it was the Democrats who are proposing to reinstate the draft. I'm sure the Republicans would do it also, but I know for a fact if Kerry gets elected they'll start drafting. He's been bragging about how he wants to send 40,000+ military personnel to the region.


Didn't Mohamed Ali concienciously onbject? And didn't they throw him in jail?

But, I'll be 18 in November, 2006, so... Canada, probably. Seving isn't a option, because I really don't want to have to envade Iran, or go on a crusade to spread "Democracy" throguhout the world.
Yeah he did.

As far as Canada goes, I dunno about going there. Supposedly they have already made a pact with the U.S. to turn in any draft dodgers.

[refuse_resist]

Actually it was the Democrats who are proposing to reinstate the draft. I'm sure the Republicans would do it also, but I know for a fact if Kerry gets elected they'll start drafting. He's been bragging about how he wants to send 40,000+ military personnel to the region.


Didn't Mohamed Ali concienciously onbject? And didn't they throw him in jail?

But, I'll be 18 in November, 2006, so... Canada, probably. Seving isn't a option, because I really don't want to have to envade Iran, or go on a crusade to spread "Democracy" throguhout the world.
Yeah he did.

As far as Canada goes, I dunno about going there. Supposedly they have already made a pact with the U.S. to turn in any draft dodgers.

[line_of_fire]

Holy crap guys, you can all come live at my place up here in canada untill the US is done slaughtering innocents, damn G.W Bush to hell.

[line_of_fire]

Holy crap guys, you can all come live at my place up here in canada untill the US is done slaughtering innocents, damn G.W Bush to hell.

[line_of_fire]

Holy crap guys, you can all come live at my place up here in canada untill the US is done slaughtering innocents, damn G.W Bush to hell.

[truthaddict11]

no thanks, if a draft was reinstated id actively resist it here in america. no fleeing to canada for me, chicago weather is cold enough.

[truthaddict11]

no thanks, if a draft was reinstated id actively resist it here in america. no fleeing to canada for me, chicago weather is cold enough.

[truthaddict11]

no thanks, if a draft was reinstated id actively resist it here in america. no fleeing to canada for me, chicago weather is cold enough.

[line_of_fire]

lol, good call, of course stay and resist. I hope i could do the same in your position, but, from the looks of it, our PM Paul Martin, is not gunna start any conscritption, but i am appaled at George's idea, there hasnt been manditory conscription since what, WWII?

[line_of_fire]

lol, good call, of course stay and resist. I hope i could do the same in your position, but, from the looks of it, our PM Paul Martin, is not gunna start any conscritption, but i am appaled at George's idea, there hasnt been manditory conscription since what, WWII?

[line_of_fire]

lol, good call, of course stay and resist. I hope i could do the same in your position, but, from the looks of it, our PM Paul Martin, is not gunna start any conscritption, but i am appaled at George's idea, there hasnt been manditory conscription since what, WWII?

[Freedom Writer]

There were some site not long ago which was made by a man who claimed that he had come from the future to warn us. USA would have another civil war in 2005 and in 2015 there would be a 3rd world war (1/3 of world population is gonna die), seems that we are going to that direction? :huh:

But then again I dont really believe in fate. :D

[Freedom Writer]

There were some site not long ago which was made by a man who claimed that he had come from the future to warn us. USA would have another civil war in 2005 and in 2015 there would be a 3rd world war (1/3 of world population is gonna die), seems that we are going to that direction? :huh:

But then again I dont really believe in fate. :D

[Freedom Writer]

There were some site not long ago which was made by a man who claimed that he had come from the future to warn us. USA would have another civil war in 2005 and in 2015 there would be a 3rd world war (1/3 of world population is gonna die), seems that we are going to that direction? :huh:

But then again I dont really believe in fate. :D

[PRC-UTE]

there hasnt been manditory conscription since what, WWII?

I think that's correct and in Vietnam they had a lottery.


There were some site not long ago which was made by a man who claimed that he had come from the future to warn us. USA would have another civil war in 2005 and in 2015 there would be a 3rd world war (1/3 of world population is gonna die), seems that we are going to that direction?

Sounds reliable enough for me. Let the party begin!

[PRC-UTE]

there hasnt been manditory conscription since what, WWII?

I think that's correct and in Vietnam they had a lottery.


There were some site not long ago which was made by a man who claimed that he had come from the future to warn us. USA would have another civil war in 2005 and in 2015 there would be a 3rd world war (1/3 of world population is gonna die), seems that we are going to that direction?

Sounds reliable enough for me. Let the party begin!

[PRC-UTE]

there hasnt been manditory conscription since what, WWII?

I think that's correct and in Vietnam they had a lottery.


There were some site not long ago which was made by a man who claimed that he had come from the future to warn us. USA would have another civil war in 2005 and in 2015 there would be a 3rd world war (1/3 of world population is gonna die), seems that we are going to that direction?

Sounds reliable enough for me. Let the party begin!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yes, WWII was the last time they had conscription, and in Vietnam they had a lottery draft. The only way they'll let you conscientiously object is on the basis of religion. A political opinion isn't enough.

I'll just leave the country and go back to Brazil. We've been meaning to move back anyways, so this would just speed up that decision. But I don't think that this bill will go through. I strongly doubt they’ll need many more troops.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yes, WWII was the last time they had conscription, and in Vietnam they had a lottery draft. The only way they'll let you conscientiously object is on the basis of religion. A political opinion isn't enough.

I'll just leave the country and go back to Brazil. We've been meaning to move back anyways, so this would just speed up that decision. But I don't think that this bill will go through. I strongly doubt they’ll need many more troops.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yes, WWII was the last time they had conscription, and in Vietnam they had a lottery draft. The only way they'll let you conscientiously object is on the basis of religion. A political opinion isn't enough.

I'll just leave the country and go back to Brazil. We've been meaning to move back anyways, so this would just speed up that decision. But I don't think that this bill will go through. I strongly doubt they’ll need many more troops.

[Ziggy]

hell my whole family will be moving to europe (my dad now has a reason for early retirement in barcelona)

i heard one of the guys explanations for the draft bill. there are two bills gathering dust, one in the senate and one in the house. one of the guys that proposed the draft bill said he is actually opposed to the war but says why should it just be kids from poor families dying and says that the draft would help end the war. it sounded crazy but somehow made sense in an idiotic way

[Ziggy]

hell my whole family will be moving to europe (my dad now has a reason for early retirement in barcelona)

i heard one of the guys explanations for the draft bill. there are two bills gathering dust, one in the senate and one in the house. one of the guys that proposed the draft bill said he is actually opposed to the war but says why should it just be kids from poor families dying and says that the draft would help end the war. it sounded crazy but somehow made sense in an idiotic way

[Ziggy]

hell my whole family will be moving to europe (my dad now has a reason for early retirement in barcelona)

i heard one of the guys explanations for the draft bill. there are two bills gathering dust, one in the senate and one in the house. one of the guys that proposed the draft bill said he is actually opposed to the war but says why should it just be kids from poor families dying and says that the draft would help end the war. it sounded crazy but somehow made sense in an idiotic way

[fuerzasocialista]

I'm in my late 20's so I don't think I would get drafted but if it came down to the wire and they sent me that letter asking for me I'd more than likely head back to the Dominican Republic. Problem is that the country might fuck me over. There is always Cuba, Spain and even Venezuela and Brasil. My cousins are right at that age for the draft and they have already explained to me that they would also go back home if it was reinstated.

[fuerzasocialista]

I'm in my late 20's so I don't think I would get drafted but if it came down to the wire and they sent me that letter asking for me I'd more than likely head back to the Dominican Republic. Problem is that the country might fuck me over. There is always Cuba, Spain and even Venezuela and Brasil. My cousins are right at that age for the draft and they have already explained to me that they would also go back home if it was reinstated.

[fuerzasocialista]

I'm in my late 20's so I don't think I would get drafted but if it came down to the wire and they sent me that letter asking for me I'd more than likely head back to the Dominican Republic. Problem is that the country might fuck me over. There is always Cuba, Spain and even Venezuela and Brasil. My cousins are right at that age for the draft and they have already explained to me that they would also go back home if it was reinstated.

[Militant]

Originally posted by Comrade La [email protected] 29 2004, 10:34 AM
Apparantly there are plans afoot for conscription to resume in the US after the presidential election.
I was a little suspicious however there's a link to a government website which outlines the bill in full.

It can be found here (http://thomas.loc.gov/) :

Type in HR163 and it will being the bill up.

Also here. (http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp)

I think it's time to say bye bye Bush.
I believe the draft bill was put forth by a democrat.

Say good bye to ALL bougiouse pigs. Democrats are worse then republicans, since at least we all know where republicans stand, democraps try and at least appear like they represent the workingman.

[Militant]

Originally posted by Comrade La [email protected] 29 2004, 10:34 AM
Apparantly there are plans afoot for conscription to resume in the US after the presidential election.
I was a little suspicious however there's a link to a government website which outlines the bill in full.

It can be found here (http://thomas.loc.gov/) :

Type in HR163 and it will being the bill up.

Also here. (http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp)

I think it's time to say bye bye Bush.
I believe the draft bill was put forth by a democrat.

Say good bye to ALL bougiouse pigs. Democrats are worse then republicans, since at least we all know where republicans stand, democraps try and at least appear like they represent the workingman.

[Militant]

Originally posted by Comrade La [email protected] 29 2004, 10:34 AM
Apparantly there are plans afoot for conscription to resume in the US after the presidential election.
I was a little suspicious however there's a link to a government website which outlines the bill in full.

It can be found here (http://thomas.loc.gov/) :

Type in HR163 and it will being the bill up.

Also here. (http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp)

I think it's time to say bye bye Bush.
I believe the draft bill was put forth by a democrat.

Say good bye to ALL bougiouse pigs. Democrats are worse then republicans, since at least we all know where republicans stand, democraps try and at least appear like they represent the workingman.

[fuerzasocialista]

I believe it was Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY) who introduced the bill with the purpose of drafting kids no matter who were their parents are. And there would be no college deferments as was the case in Vietnam. Also it would be a unisex draft drafting both men and women. The Republicans will probably vote it in figuring that they will get their kids around being drafted and/or put in a clause that would keep them from being conscripted thus making the Democrats looking like a bunch of retards.

[fuerzasocialista]

I believe it was Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY) who introduced the bill with the purpose of drafting kids no matter who were their parents are. And there would be no college deferments as was the case in Vietnam. Also it would be a unisex draft drafting both men and women. The Republicans will probably vote it in figuring that they will get their kids around being drafted and/or put in a clause that would keep them from being conscripted thus making the Democrats looking like a bunch of retards.

[fuerzasocialista]

I believe it was Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY) who introduced the bill with the purpose of drafting kids no matter who were their parents are. And there would be no college deferments as was the case in Vietnam. Also it would be a unisex draft drafting both men and women. The Republicans will probably vote it in figuring that they will get their kids around being drafted and/or put in a clause that would keep them from being conscripted thus making the Democrats looking like a bunch of retards.

[monkeydust]

Realistically, I don't think they'd be able to "get away" with reinstating the military draft, I'd imagine that vast numbers (probably far more than in Vietnam) would oppose it.

Though I could be wrong, I don't know what public feeling's like out there.

[Ziggy]

it'd be political suicide, i dont think it'll past

[fernando]

Funny is that when you are 18 you are old enough to die for your country, but not old enough to get a beer :lol:

[Eddie999]

I've heard a lot about this draft and doubt it will happen UNLESS there is another terrorist attack on US soil. Then the US gov. will have a supposedly valid reason to bring in a draft. I could see the US gov. carrying out the terror attack itself just so it can bring in the draft and continue it's imperialistic conquests.

[STI]

I'll be living on my own starting September 2005, so I'll house at least a person or two if you're going to head up here (to Canada). If the government cut a deal to rat out draft-dodgers, I can be counted on to raise all kinds of hell (I'll be going to school in Ottawa).

And so ends the incoherent talkings.

[pandora]

I think this is a reality as they are recalling reserves in their 40's for Iraq and still the well is running dry. I would like to thank our veterens for being wise enough to keep their heads down and not re-enlist in this madness.

But if certain parties take on world domination over oil is going to continue into Syria and Iran they are going to need bodies.

Personally I think exporting blue collar jobs out of the American heartland has two benefits to corporate right wing power, one it raises their stock portfolio in profits and two it provides lots of unemployed blue collar youth for drafting and military service, the massive unemployment now being faced has been definately used as a tool towards conscription, fact is big old farmboys are big, and make excellent soldiers.

I think it's disgusting that under the guise of being "the best in innovation and technology" the United States and especially it's youth are being farmed out as military conscripts for the rest of the first world to ensure Global Corporate agenda.

What this means is U.S. military will become a name brand like U.S. clothing once was and sold to the highest bidder for dirty little wars, this is already occuring but now we're going into hyper drive.

[Gringo-a-Go-Go]

The canadian secret police take their orders from Washington and the FBI. The canadian military take their orders from the Pentagon and NORAD. The canadian media get their marching orders from Wall St. and Madison Avenue.

Fleeing to Canada would be like fleeing to Puerto Rico: a dumb idea.

Take my advice and head to Mexico -- which will be at war with the U.S. regime sometime in the next decade or two. You can all return as heros.

;)

[cormacobear]

It's true draft dodgers might get sent back, but it isn't that hard to stay under their radar, just geta job paid under the table. There are enough Canadians simpathetic to the U.S. governments mistreatment of it's working class and it's military policy it wouldn't be that hard.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by Gringo-a-Go-[email protected] 1 2004, 12:43 AM
The canadian secret police take their orders from Washington and the FBI. The canadian military take their orders from the Pentagon and NORAD. The canadian media get their marching orders from Wall St. and Madison Avenue.

Fleeing to Canada would be like fleeing to Puerto Rico: a dumb idea.


Dual citizen, European Union, here I come, Finnish-American here =D

[pedro san pedro]

The only way they'll let you conscientiously object is on the basis of religion. A political opinion isn't enough.

what about if you can prove you're a passifist? are you able to avoid the draft then - or do they just turn you into a stretcher bearer for the machine?

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by pedro san [email protected] 1 2004, 02:18 AM

what about if you can prove you're a passifist? are you able to avoid the draft then - or do they just turn you into a stretcher bearer for the machine?
yes, it says that in that case you are assigned to a non fighting role. Pedro, do you live in San Pedro, by any chance?

[socialistfuture]

bush said today (during the debate with kerry) that he would keep the army all volunteer for whatever its worth.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Lol, Bush says alot of things... and so far, most of them aren't exactly truthfull.

[fuerzasocialista]

I think there is a good possibilty, as was mentioned before, that if the draft was indeed reinstated, Mexico will take Canada's place as the destination for those who are looking to avoid the draft. I keep getting the gut feeling that Canada will turn over anyone looking to skip the draft if they flee north. The one thing that Canada has going for it is that the border is not as gaurded as the US-Mexican border making crossing over not as difficult. However, it would be so ironic to see the reverse migration of american teens crossing over the Rio Grande into Mexico while the Mexicans trying to get in the US just look on with a big question mark on their faces :lol:

Europe is also a distinct possibilty but I would imagine anyone who's number is pulled up during the lottery will have their passport taken away inabling them to fly out of the country.

[pedro san pedro]

so one can still be forced to be a part of the killing machine, despite being a pacifist? thats fucked up. is it not possible to argue that your pacisfm doesnt allow you to be involved in promtoing conflict at all?

i dont live in san pedro - although i have eaten a few... ;)

[KrazyRabidSheep]

I'm kinda glad I'm moving to Victoria, B.C. next month

If I wasn't, I'd just move back to Belfast. . .I'd rather get into IRA crossfire then U.S.A. crossfire

[Tasha]

I suspect there is very little chance for something like this to pass in congress. Nothing to worry about really.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

yesterday I was all for the running away, but now that I've had time to think about it, that does no good.

Let the bastards throw me in jail, for 2 reasons.

1. Ghandi and ML King were both thrown into jail. Political prisonors are better for the cause then somebody that runs away and avoids the issue.

2. If in Vietnam everybody that went to Canada was thrown in jail instead, the (already overcrowded) prisons would soon overflow. With no place to put them (it's not smart to put 8 people into a cell, unless you want a riot), so many political prisonors, and the pressure (parents won't be too happy having thier children thrown into the slammer for standing up to thier beliefs), the govornment would have to find a new solution to conscientious objectors.

I don't think a draft will happen, but just the thought that I could have been forced into service for any country, let alone one I don't even call home, ticks me off. There are only two people I'd fight for, and Uncle Sam isn't one

[PRC-UTE]

You don't want to go to a Yankee jail, they're unbelievably bad.

Anyway no need to worry about IRA bullets back in Beal Feirste, either. They're a spent force.

[Gringo-a-Go-Go]

Dual citizen, European Union, here I come, Finnish-American here

Hey, I grew up with crazy finlanders... I'm from the sauna capital of the world -- outside of Helsinki, that is.

I also learned some awful, awful words in suomilainen.
;>

[Raisa]

I tend to get this notion that Canada wouldnt be on our side this time when it comes to draft dodging and might send your ass right back. What if that happened?
Youd be in jail?

Why does no one think of going to Cuba. Im sure they would gladly take refugees.
I think there is something in their constitution about political refugees or what have you.

[Gringo-a-Go-Go]

It's true draft dodgers might get sent back, but it isn't that hard to stay under their radar, just geta job paid under the table. There are enough Canadians simpathetic to the U.S. governments mistreatment of it's working class and it's military policy it wouldn't be that hard.

Canada is every bit the police state that the U.S. is. It would be very hard to avoid being noticed at some point here, if there is little political struggle to keep all the nosy parkers at bay. There are spies and police everywhere here -- just like East Germany or Albania AFAIC, with "capitalist characteristics".

The future of Canada is totally tied up with the future of the U.S. The canadian and U.S. working-class are together alone in this thing; and the only way for us to fight these bastards is to stick together.
Right now we're not doing a very good job of fighting them.

[Gringo-a-Go-Go]

Why does no one think of going to Cuba. Im sure they would gladly take refugees.
I think there is something in their constitution about political refugees or what have you.

I'm glad you mentioned this. I was planning to a couple days ago but forgot.

If they're planning to get tough and put your can in jail for years, you need an option other than living furtively in U.S. hobo jungles, etc. However, anything could happen: the world economy might collapse next year and the present crew in the AFL-CIO might get turfed by a seething mass of recently-unemployed suburban workers. Who knows?
Maybe there'd be a REAL fightback in the U.S. then -- and there'd be no need to high-tail it elsewhere.
<:/

[Raisa]

A draft is a result of some kind of refusal.
If the war was so damn popular then they wouldnt need to MAKE people fight it.
Its like slavery kind of. And people would get real pissed and less complacent when they realize it can be their ass or their loved ones ass that gets called to go to war next.

[h&s]

Its like slavery kind of.
No kind of about it. Conscription is forcing someone to work for the army, with or without their will. If that ain&#39;t slavery, I don&#39;t know what is....

[Maksym]

To you kids who are planning to head my way (Canada) expecting to skip the draft, you are short of luck. Canada and the USA plan to sign certain agreements, not sure which or when, but the agreements will not allow for any draft dodgers to reside in Canada. You could try Europe or the Cayman Islands.

Also, if you read the bill, college is not a safe zone anymore. College students can be drafted, only if you are in high school and under the age of 20 can you not be conscripted.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:04 PM
I believe it was Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY) who introduced the bill with the purpose of drafting kids no matter who were their parents are. And there would be no college deferments as was the case in Vietnam. Also it would be a unisex draft drafting both men and women. The Republicans will probably vote it in figuring that they will get their kids around being drafted and/or put in a clause that would keep them from being conscripted thus making the Democrats looking like a bunch of retards.
Yeah, it&#39;s Rangel, who&#39;s one of the more lliberal Democrats in Congress. He&#39;s pushing equality of sacrifice, as if the draft hasn&#39;t always been class-biased as much as the current setup.

I think it&#39;s quite unlikely a draft will be imposed in the near future, certainly not by Bush and probably not by Kerry either. Recent experience has shown the so-called volunteer military is more effective. Rumsfeld particularly is pushing the transformation of the U.S. military in the opposite direction, towards a leaner, meaner, lighter and more mobile force able to rapidly invade anyplace on the planet, rather than the current force which is largely organized, equipped, and based to fight a war with the USSR in Europe.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 11:05 AM
only if you are in high school and under the age of 20 can you not be conscripted.
what if you are fat and have flat feet? :lol:

[Poop]

House overwhelmingly stomps out bill that would&#39;ve reinstated draft

WASHINGTON — Moving to dismiss politically troublesome rumors that the war in Iraq could revive a military draft, the House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a bill Tuesday that would have restored mandatory service.

The bill, introduced by Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., had little support and no chance of passing. The Republican-controlled House held the vote to make sure it was defeated during a close presidential race in which talk of a draft has run rampant. The vote was 402-2.

During a testy debate, Republicans charged that Democrats had deliberately fueled rumors that the White House would reinstitute conscription after the election. Democrats countered that the Bush administration&#39;s conduct of the war has led many Americans to fear that a draft may be necessary to support an overtaxed military.

The vote came amid increasing concerns over whether the thinly stretched Army can continue to recruit and retain enough soldiers to fight the war against terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But despite a barrage of Internet chatter about the potential return of a draft, most experts say there is little chance of that happening.

"A return to the draft, in my mind, is extremely unlikely," said Bob Scales, a retired Army major general who has written histories of the 1991 Persian Gulf War and the 2003 Iraq war.

President Bush and John Kerry have said that they oppose re-establishing a draft. The Pentagon did away with conscription and created an all-volunteer military three decades ago after the Vietnam War.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said Democrats have in recent months been involved in a "hoax" to convince the public that the Bush administration had a secret, post-election plan for restoring the draft.

Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., the top Democrat on that committee, accused Republican leaders of holding the vote just for political gain.

"We have seen something I haven&#39;t seen in 28 years in the House of Representatives — someone bringing a bill to the House they don&#39;t support," Skelton said.

Draft numbers
The United States stopped drafting young men into the military in 1973 and created an all-volunteer military. But the nation drafted large numbers of Americans into the service in 1917-18 and from 1940-73.

Conflict Inductions
World War I 2,810,296
World War II 10,110,104
Korean War 1,529,539
Vietnam War 1,857,304

Rangel voted against his own bill because it was not subjected to hearings and testimony from Bush administration officials. "This is hypocrisy of the worst kind," he said. "I would not encourage any Democrat running for re-election to vote for this bill." Only Democratic Reps. John Murtha of Pennsylvania and Pete Stark of California voted for it.

Top military officials strongly oppose a return to conscription. During Vietnam, the military ranks included draftees who were not highly motivated and caused disciplinary problems, as well as a small number with criminal records. Senior officers cite the professionalism and quality of the all-volunteer U.S. force as the biggest reasons for not returning to involuntary service.

In the past two days, Bush and Kerry have distanced themselves further from a draft. Kerry told a crowd at a Tipton, Iowa, middle school Tuesday that "I will not reinstitute a draft." A day earlier, Bush told a crowd in Clive, Iowa, that "we will not have a draft as long as I am president of the United States."

David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland, said a return of the draft is extremely unlikely. But he said the issue has taken on "a life of its own" at colleges and high schools.

A poll taken last summer by Vietnam Veterans of America found that 58% of respondents thought the country could be headed for a draft in the near future. But 52% of those who would be eligible said they would not serve or would seek a deferment.

Rangel introduced his bill after criticizing the all-volunteer military for putting an unfair burden on lower-income groups, who join for job training or money to pay for college.
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They can&#39;t reinstate the draft. Because of the feminist movement, and call for equal rights the government has been cracking down on everything from equal rights in the workplace to one state even outlawing "ladies night" in clubs. It is sexist. So if they reinstate the draft they have to take women too. Does anyone honestly think the American people will watch a mother kiss goodbye to her children with an m-16 on her back.

Anyway the bill was already shot down, by the republicans ironically.