A Sad Reflection

[Subversive Pessimist]

I think it's a sad reflection that we focus more on what Bush says, then the civil war in Nepal, for instance.

I think it's a sad reflection that we only remember Fidel, Raúl, and Ernesto when we think about the Cuban revolution. The same goes for the revolution in Congo, Bolivia and elsewhere.

Joaquin fought in the Cuban revolution, Vietnam and Bolivia. Still very few people know his life or what he did in detail.

Alejandro fought in the Cuban revolution. Became the secretary of the finance departement, and joined the revolution in Bolivia. These people are almost never mentioned or remembered. It is always the leaders who are remembered.

I also think it's sad that we talk about revolution but we fail to focus and learn from the struggles in Nepal, Colombia, the Phillipines and elsewhere. I hope that we could raise a little more awareness about these struggles in the future. I don't want to sound like one who knows better, or only see mistakes and wrong judgements by others, but I wanted to stress these points.


Thank you

[Subversive Pessimist]

I think it's a sad reflection that we focus more on what Bush says, then the civil war in Nepal, for instance.

I think it's a sad reflection that we only remember Fidel, Raúl, and Ernesto when we think about the Cuban revolution. The same goes for the revolution in Congo, Bolivia and elsewhere.

Joaquin fought in the Cuban revolution, Vietnam and Bolivia. Still very few people know his life or what he did in detail.

Alejandro fought in the Cuban revolution. Became the secretary of the finance departement, and joined the revolution in Bolivia. These people are almost never mentioned or remembered. It is always the leaders who are remembered.

I also think it's sad that we talk about revolution but we fail to focus and learn from the struggles in Nepal, Colombia, the Phillipines and elsewhere. I hope that we could raise a little more awareness about these struggles in the future. I don't want to sound like one who knows better, or only see mistakes and wrong judgements by others, but I wanted to stress these points.


Thank you

[Subversive Pessimist]

I think it's a sad reflection that we focus more on what Bush says, then the civil war in Nepal, for instance.

I think it's a sad reflection that we only remember Fidel, Raúl, and Ernesto when we think about the Cuban revolution. The same goes for the revolution in Congo, Bolivia and elsewhere.

Joaquin fought in the Cuban revolution, Vietnam and Bolivia. Still very few people know his life or what he did in detail.

Alejandro fought in the Cuban revolution. Became the secretary of the finance departement, and joined the revolution in Bolivia. These people are almost never mentioned or remembered. It is always the leaders who are remembered.

I also think it's sad that we talk about revolution but we fail to focus and learn from the struggles in Nepal, Colombia, the Phillipines and elsewhere. I hope that we could raise a little more awareness about these struggles in the future. I don't want to sound like one who knows better, or only see mistakes and wrong judgements by others, but I wanted to stress these points.


Thank you

[NovelGentry]

I'm not saying we shouldn't remember the other people, but maybe the leaders stand out because they are most inspiring.... afterall, they did inspire poeple enough to follow them. I hold Che in a much higher regard than Fidel, but I'm not going to say for a minute that Fidel is less inspiring... it's just something about him, and that is why first and foremost before Che convinced people to follow him, Fidel convinced Che to follow him.

I'm not sure what it is you're exactly looking for. I don't think anyone makes claims that these people did wha they did all by themselves, including them. But what will you have us do, honor individually every person who's ever fought for what they believe in? I think it'd be better to have something like "All Comrades Day" established or something. Hell, even if it was just around Che Lives... and have it a day when we remember as Che might put it, "all those other camilos, whose lives ended before they could complete a magnificent cycle as he had done to enter into history."

[NovelGentry]

I'm not saying we shouldn't remember the other people, but maybe the leaders stand out because they are most inspiring.... afterall, they did inspire poeple enough to follow them. I hold Che in a much higher regard than Fidel, but I'm not going to say for a minute that Fidel is less inspiring... it's just something about him, and that is why first and foremost before Che convinced people to follow him, Fidel convinced Che to follow him.

I'm not sure what it is you're exactly looking for. I don't think anyone makes claims that these people did wha they did all by themselves, including them. But what will you have us do, honor individually every person who's ever fought for what they believe in? I think it'd be better to have something like "All Comrades Day" established or something. Hell, even if it was just around Che Lives... and have it a day when we remember as Che might put it, "all those other camilos, whose lives ended before they could complete a magnificent cycle as he had done to enter into history."

[NovelGentry]

I'm not saying we shouldn't remember the other people, but maybe the leaders stand out because they are most inspiring.... afterall, they did inspire poeple enough to follow them. I hold Che in a much higher regard than Fidel, but I'm not going to say for a minute that Fidel is less inspiring... it's just something about him, and that is why first and foremost before Che convinced people to follow him, Fidel convinced Che to follow him.

I'm not sure what it is you're exactly looking for. I don't think anyone makes claims that these people did wha they did all by themselves, including them. But what will you have us do, honor individually every person who's ever fought for what they believe in? I think it'd be better to have something like "All Comrades Day" established or something. Hell, even if it was just around Che Lives... and have it a day when we remember as Che might put it, "all those other camilos, whose lives ended before they could complete a magnificent cycle as he had done to enter into history."

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:40 PM
I'm not saying we shouldn't remember the other people, but maybe the leaders stand out because they are most inspiring....
No, they stand out because they are in control. There are many people who are inspiring but don't get famous because they're not leaders.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:40 PM
I'm not saying we shouldn't remember the other people, but maybe the leaders stand out because they are most inspiring....
No, they stand out because they are in control. There are many people who are inspiring but don't get famous because they're not leaders.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:40 PM
I'm not saying we shouldn't remember the other people, but maybe the leaders stand out because they are most inspiring....
No, they stand out because they are in control. There are many people who are inspiring but don't get famous because they're not leaders.

[NovelGentry]

Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It's not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.

[NovelGentry]

Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It's not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.

[NovelGentry]

Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It's not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:51 PM
Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It's not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.
I don't see how that's the point. You said that Fidel and Che we're leaders because they were inspirational. That's not true. Anyone can be inspirational. The reason they we're leaders was because they we're incontrol.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:51 PM
Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It's not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.
I don't see how that's the point. You said that Fidel and Che we're leaders because they were inspirational. That's not true. Anyone can be inspirational. The reason they we're leaders was because they we're incontrol.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:51 PM
Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It's not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.
I don't see how that's the point. You said that Fidel and Che we're leaders because they were inspirational. That's not true. Anyone can be inspirational. The reason they we're leaders was because they we're incontrol.

[redstar2000]

I also think it's sad that we talk about revolution but we fail to focus and learn from the struggles in Nepal, Colombia, the Phillipines and elsewhere.

Well, we (mostly) live in countries without a peasantry...so the lessons of their struggles are not applicable to our situation.

Most people on this board live in North America, western Europe, or Australia...where guerrilla war is not an option.

And, speaking only for myself, I find "cheerleading" for revolutions in distant lands distinctly unsatisfying. My opinions about what goes on in those places are irrelevant.

So I wish them all well and hope they win...but my attentions are really focused on the advanced capitalist countries and what should and should not be done here.

One of the things that should not be done here is drift into "groupie-ism".

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[redstar2000]

I also think it's sad that we talk about revolution but we fail to focus and learn from the struggles in Nepal, Colombia, the Phillipines and elsewhere.

Well, we (mostly) live in countries without a peasantry...so the lessons of their struggles are not applicable to our situation.

Most people on this board live in North America, western Europe, or Australia...where guerrilla war is not an option.

And, speaking only for myself, I find "cheerleading" for revolutions in distant lands distinctly unsatisfying. My opinions about what goes on in those places are irrelevant.

So I wish them all well and hope they win...but my attentions are really focused on the advanced capitalist countries and what should and should not be done here.

One of the things that should not be done here is drift into "groupie-ism".

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[redstar2000]

I also think it's sad that we talk about revolution but we fail to focus and learn from the struggles in Nepal, Colombia, the Phillipines and elsewhere.

Well, we (mostly) live in countries without a peasantry...so the lessons of their struggles are not applicable to our situation.

Most people on this board live in North America, western Europe, or Australia...where guerrilla war is not an option.

And, speaking only for myself, I find "cheerleading" for revolutions in distant lands distinctly unsatisfying. My opinions about what goes on in those places are irrelevant.

So I wish them all well and hope they win...but my attentions are really focused on the advanced capitalist countries and what should and should not be done here.

One of the things that should not be done here is drift into "groupie-ism".

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Subversive Pessimist]

But what will you have us do, honor individually every person who's ever fought for what they believe in? I think it'd be better to have something like "All Comrades Day" established or something. Hell, even if it was just around Che Lives... and have it a day when we remember as Che might put it, "all those other camilos, whose lives ended before they could complete a magnificent cycle as he had done to enter into history."


Even though we would do that, still, Alejandro, Carlos, Marcos, Joaquin, Raul, Combo etc. were just as important as Guevara in the struggle of Bolivia. Why should we not recognize their importance? We only think of Che when someone says "the bolivian revolution". At least we should get some knowledge of the other guys.

When we say "When Ernesto Guevara fought in Bolivia" we should at least add whenever possible "When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia tried to convince the peasents" etc. in order to at least be aware that others were part of the revolution. Guevara did not run alone like a Rambo in the jungle, and actually a few people from the bolivian revolution survived. I just hope we could try to remember that he was not alone.



Well, we (mostly) live in countries without a peasantry...so the lessons of their struggles are not applicable to our situation.



There are other things that we could learn from those struggles. It's not always about the peasentry. There are a lot of other things we could take into consideration.


And, speaking only for myself, I find "cheerleading" for revolutions in distant lands distinctly unsatisfying. My opinions about what goes on in those places are irrelevant.

Why is that? <_<

Are you only going to cheer when a bunch of college students with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirts get shot down by marines in the streets of san francisco, after they tried to capture some damn factories? Is that what matters to you? To see the revolution for yourself?



Also, to NG and TAT, I think it&#39;s sometimes a mix of both inspiration and control. Other times it&#39;s almost purely out of control, sometimes it is almost purely out of inspiration.

[Subversive Pessimist]

But what will you have us do, honor individually every person who&#39;s ever fought for what they believe in? I think it&#39;d be better to have something like "All Comrades Day" established or something. Hell, even if it was just around Che Lives... and have it a day when we remember as Che might put it, "all those other camilos, whose lives ended before they could complete a magnificent cycle as he had done to enter into history."


Even though we would do that, still, Alejandro, Carlos, Marcos, Joaquin, Raul, Combo etc. were just as important as Guevara in the struggle of Bolivia. Why should we not recognize their importance? We only think of Che when someone says "the bolivian revolution". At least we should get some knowledge of the other guys.

When we say "When Ernesto Guevara fought in Bolivia" we should at least add whenever possible "When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia tried to convince the peasents" etc. in order to at least be aware that others were part of the revolution. Guevara did not run alone like a Rambo in the jungle, and actually a few people from the bolivian revolution survived. I just hope we could try to remember that he was not alone.



Well, we (mostly) live in countries without a peasantry...so the lessons of their struggles are not applicable to our situation.



There are other things that we could learn from those struggles. It&#39;s not always about the peasentry. There are a lot of other things we could take into consideration.


And, speaking only for myself, I find "cheerleading" for revolutions in distant lands distinctly unsatisfying. My opinions about what goes on in those places are irrelevant.

Why is that? <_<

Are you only going to cheer when a bunch of college students with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirts get shot down by marines in the streets of san francisco, after they tried to capture some damn factories? Is that what matters to you? To see the revolution for yourself?



Also, to NG and TAT, I think it&#39;s sometimes a mix of both inspiration and control. Other times it&#39;s almost purely out of control, sometimes it is almost purely out of inspiration.

[Subversive Pessimist]

But what will you have us do, honor individually every person who&#39;s ever fought for what they believe in? I think it&#39;d be better to have something like "All Comrades Day" established or something. Hell, even if it was just around Che Lives... and have it a day when we remember as Che might put it, "all those other camilos, whose lives ended before they could complete a magnificent cycle as he had done to enter into history."


Even though we would do that, still, Alejandro, Carlos, Marcos, Joaquin, Raul, Combo etc. were just as important as Guevara in the struggle of Bolivia. Why should we not recognize their importance? We only think of Che when someone says "the bolivian revolution". At least we should get some knowledge of the other guys.

When we say "When Ernesto Guevara fought in Bolivia" we should at least add whenever possible "When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia tried to convince the peasents" etc. in order to at least be aware that others were part of the revolution. Guevara did not run alone like a Rambo in the jungle, and actually a few people from the bolivian revolution survived. I just hope we could try to remember that he was not alone.



Well, we (mostly) live in countries without a peasantry...so the lessons of their struggles are not applicable to our situation.



There are other things that we could learn from those struggles. It&#39;s not always about the peasentry. There are a lot of other things we could take into consideration.


And, speaking only for myself, I find "cheerleading" for revolutions in distant lands distinctly unsatisfying. My opinions about what goes on in those places are irrelevant.

Why is that? <_<

Are you only going to cheer when a bunch of college students with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirts get shot down by marines in the streets of san francisco, after they tried to capture some damn factories? Is that what matters to you? To see the revolution for yourself?



Also, to NG and TAT, I think it&#39;s sometimes a mix of both inspiration and control. Other times it&#39;s almost purely out of control, sometimes it is almost purely out of inspiration.

[NovelGentry]

I don&#39;t see how that&#39;s the point. You said that Fidel and Che we&#39;re leaders because they were inspirational. That&#39;s not true. Anyone can be inspirational. The reason they we&#39;re leaders was because they we&#39;re incontrol.

Because if you can&#39;t inspire someone to follow you, then you will have no one to lead (control).



Even though we would do that, still, Alejandro, Carlos, Marcos, Joaquin, Raul, Combo etc. were just as important as Guevara in the struggle of Bolivia. Why should we not recognize their importance? We only think of Che when someone says "the bolivian revolution". At least we should get some knowledge of the other guys.

This is for the same reason we only think of Bush when we think of the war in Iraq.


When we say "When Ernesto Guevara fought in Bolivia" we should at least add whenever possible "When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia tried to convince the peasents" etc. in order to at least be aware that others were part of the revolution.

"When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia and tried to convince the peasants to revolt and join their guerrilla struggle, Ernesto Guevara was killed."

It is superfluous information is mot cases. When I talk about Che I&#39;m rarely talking about the specific situations he was in and more than likely talking about Che himself. What you&#39;re saying is like if a 5th grader were asked to write a two page biography on Abraham Lincoln and came back with 30 pages including all the other people (including varying soldiers in the civil war) who made the freedom of slaves possible.


There are other things that we could learn from those struggles. It&#39;s not always about the peasentry. There are a lot of other things we could take into consideration.

I think what is trying to be said here is that it&#39;s one thing if we&#39;re going to say we&#39;re looking at revolutions for a historical perspective, but another to say if we&#39;re looking at them for "howto" perspective. The situation is that there is no "howto" example for what we&#39;re looking for, and we&#39;re not all historians. For some of us history is just part of the means to an end.


Why is that?

See the later statement on groupie-ism. When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?


Other times it&#39;s almost purely out of control.

Dictator does no equal Leader.

[NovelGentry]

I don&#39;t see how that&#39;s the point. You said that Fidel and Che we&#39;re leaders because they were inspirational. That&#39;s not true. Anyone can be inspirational. The reason they we&#39;re leaders was because they we&#39;re incontrol.

Because if you can&#39;t inspire someone to follow you, then you will have no one to lead (control).



Even though we would do that, still, Alejandro, Carlos, Marcos, Joaquin, Raul, Combo etc. were just as important as Guevara in the struggle of Bolivia. Why should we not recognize their importance? We only think of Che when someone says "the bolivian revolution". At least we should get some knowledge of the other guys.

This is for the same reason we only think of Bush when we think of the war in Iraq.


When we say "When Ernesto Guevara fought in Bolivia" we should at least add whenever possible "When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia tried to convince the peasents" etc. in order to at least be aware that others were part of the revolution.

"When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia and tried to convince the peasants to revolt and join their guerrilla struggle, Ernesto Guevara was killed."

It is superfluous information is mot cases. When I talk about Che I&#39;m rarely talking about the specific situations he was in and more than likely talking about Che himself. What you&#39;re saying is like if a 5th grader were asked to write a two page biography on Abraham Lincoln and came back with 30 pages including all the other people (including varying soldiers in the civil war) who made the freedom of slaves possible.


There are other things that we could learn from those struggles. It&#39;s not always about the peasentry. There are a lot of other things we could take into consideration.

I think what is trying to be said here is that it&#39;s one thing if we&#39;re going to say we&#39;re looking at revolutions for a historical perspective, but another to say if we&#39;re looking at them for "howto" perspective. The situation is that there is no "howto" example for what we&#39;re looking for, and we&#39;re not all historians. For some of us history is just part of the means to an end.


Why is that?

See the later statement on groupie-ism. When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?


Other times it&#39;s almost purely out of control.

Dictator does no equal Leader.

[NovelGentry]

I don&#39;t see how that&#39;s the point. You said that Fidel and Che we&#39;re leaders because they were inspirational. That&#39;s not true. Anyone can be inspirational. The reason they we&#39;re leaders was because they we&#39;re incontrol.

Because if you can&#39;t inspire someone to follow you, then you will have no one to lead (control).



Even though we would do that, still, Alejandro, Carlos, Marcos, Joaquin, Raul, Combo etc. were just as important as Guevara in the struggle of Bolivia. Why should we not recognize their importance? We only think of Che when someone says "the bolivian revolution". At least we should get some knowledge of the other guys.

This is for the same reason we only think of Bush when we think of the war in Iraq.


When we say "When Ernesto Guevara fought in Bolivia" we should at least add whenever possible "When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia tried to convince the peasents" etc. in order to at least be aware that others were part of the revolution.

"When Ernesto Guevara and the other comrades fought in Bolivia and tried to convince the peasants to revolt and join their guerrilla struggle, Ernesto Guevara was killed."

It is superfluous information is mot cases. When I talk about Che I&#39;m rarely talking about the specific situations he was in and more than likely talking about Che himself. What you&#39;re saying is like if a 5th grader were asked to write a two page biography on Abraham Lincoln and came back with 30 pages including all the other people (including varying soldiers in the civil war) who made the freedom of slaves possible.


There are other things that we could learn from those struggles. It&#39;s not always about the peasentry. There are a lot of other things we could take into consideration.

I think what is trying to be said here is that it&#39;s one thing if we&#39;re going to say we&#39;re looking at revolutions for a historical perspective, but another to say if we&#39;re looking at them for "howto" perspective. The situation is that there is no "howto" example for what we&#39;re looking for, and we&#39;re not all historians. For some of us history is just part of the means to an end.


Why is that?

See the later statement on groupie-ism. When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?


Other times it&#39;s almost purely out of control.

Dictator does no equal Leader.

[redstar2000]

Are you only going to cheer when a bunch of college students with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirts get shot down by marines in the streets of San Francisco, after they tried to capture some damn factories? Is that what matters to you? To see the revolution for yourself?

I&#39;m not going to be cheering unless it&#39;s the marines who are getting "shot down in the streets of San Francisco".

And I&#39;m unlikely to live long enough to see either event.

The reason that I concentrate my focus on what happens here is because this is the place I know something about...and may have something useful to say as a contribution to the revolution.

Even if, for example, the Nepalese were interested (they&#39;re not&#33;) in what I thought would be the best thing for them to do, what could I possibly tell them that would be of any damn use to them?

All of my knowledge about peasant struggles is academic -- and there ain&#39;t all that much of it.

And what do they know about class struggles in advanced capitalist countries? Nothing&#33;

But I do know something about that...quite a bit as a matter of fact. (No reason for false modesty here. :P) Much of it is "book learning" but much also comes from personal experience.

So when I say something about what we should or shouldn&#39;t do here, there&#39;s a pretty good chance that what I say may prove useful to revolutionaries who live and struggle here.

So I get to make a real (if small) contribution to the future of a real revolution.


When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?

Exactly&#33; :D

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[redstar2000]

Are you only going to cheer when a bunch of college students with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirts get shot down by marines in the streets of San Francisco, after they tried to capture some damn factories? Is that what matters to you? To see the revolution for yourself?

I&#39;m not going to be cheering unless it&#39;s the marines who are getting "shot down in the streets of San Francisco".

And I&#39;m unlikely to live long enough to see either event.

The reason that I concentrate my focus on what happens here is because this is the place I know something about...and may have something useful to say as a contribution to the revolution.

Even if, for example, the Nepalese were interested (they&#39;re not&#33;) in what I thought would be the best thing for them to do, what could I possibly tell them that would be of any damn use to them?

All of my knowledge about peasant struggles is academic -- and there ain&#39;t all that much of it.

And what do they know about class struggles in advanced capitalist countries? Nothing&#33;

But I do know something about that...quite a bit as a matter of fact. (No reason for false modesty here. :P) Much of it is "book learning" but much also comes from personal experience.

So when I say something about what we should or shouldn&#39;t do here, there&#39;s a pretty good chance that what I say may prove useful to revolutionaries who live and struggle here.

So I get to make a real (if small) contribution to the future of a real revolution.


When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?

Exactly&#33; :D

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[redstar2000]

Are you only going to cheer when a bunch of college students with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirts get shot down by marines in the streets of San Francisco, after they tried to capture some damn factories? Is that what matters to you? To see the revolution for yourself?

I&#39;m not going to be cheering unless it&#39;s the marines who are getting "shot down in the streets of San Francisco".

And I&#39;m unlikely to live long enough to see either event.

The reason that I concentrate my focus on what happens here is because this is the place I know something about...and may have something useful to say as a contribution to the revolution.

Even if, for example, the Nepalese were interested (they&#39;re not&#33;) in what I thought would be the best thing for them to do, what could I possibly tell them that would be of any damn use to them?

All of my knowledge about peasant struggles is academic -- and there ain&#39;t all that much of it.

And what do they know about class struggles in advanced capitalist countries? Nothing&#33;

But I do know something about that...quite a bit as a matter of fact. (No reason for false modesty here. :P) Much of it is "book learning" but much also comes from personal experience.

So when I say something about what we should or shouldn&#39;t do here, there&#39;s a pretty good chance that what I say may prove useful to revolutionaries who live and struggle here.

So I get to make a real (if small) contribution to the future of a real revolution.


When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?

Exactly&#33; :D

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[DaCuBaN]

When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?

Whilst the analogy is on the go, what purpose does a cheerleader have at all ?

As far as I can see it, it&#39;s merely to try and rouse support through alternative means for the &#39;team&#39;; to provide inspiration for the &#39;team&#39;

Surely neither of these can be bad?

(Devil&#39;s Advocate)

[DaCuBaN]

When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?

Whilst the analogy is on the go, what purpose does a cheerleader have at all ?

As far as I can see it, it&#39;s merely to try and rouse support through alternative means for the &#39;team&#39;; to provide inspiration for the &#39;team&#39;

Surely neither of these can be bad?

(Devil&#39;s Advocate)

[DaCuBaN]

When&#39;s the last time a cheerleader was actually put in the game to do anything?

Whilst the analogy is on the go, what purpose does a cheerleader have at all ?

As far as I can see it, it&#39;s merely to try and rouse support through alternative means for the &#39;team&#39;; to provide inspiration for the &#39;team&#39;

Surely neither of these can be bad?

(Devil&#39;s Advocate)

[PRC-UTE]

Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It&#39;s not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.

"Anonymity and communism are but one."

[PRC-UTE]

Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It&#39;s not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.

"Anonymity and communism are but one."

[PRC-UTE]

Leaders require followers, and for that their folloers must be inspired. It&#39;s not as if Fidel and Che forced people to fight in the revolution.

"Anonymity and communism are but one."

[NovelGentry]

Whilst the analogy is on the go, what purpose does a cheerleader have at all ?

As far as I can see it, it&#39;s merely to try and rouse support through alternative means for the &#39;team&#39;; to provide inspiration for the &#39;team&#39;

Surely neither of these can be bad?

It&#39;s not that it&#39;s bad, it&#39;s just that the team could probably use a whole lot more players as it is. So I think we should focus on that before we even think about getting cheerleaders. As much as some people may believe cheers win the game (probably cheerleaders think this), it&#39;s much more important to have a skillful team.

I&#39;m not saying it hurts, but I don&#39;t think it should be the primary concern just yet. Or ever a primary concern.

[NovelGentry]

Whilst the analogy is on the go, what purpose does a cheerleader have at all ?

As far as I can see it, it&#39;s merely to try and rouse support through alternative means for the &#39;team&#39;; to provide inspiration for the &#39;team&#39;

Surely neither of these can be bad?

It&#39;s not that it&#39;s bad, it&#39;s just that the team could probably use a whole lot more players as it is. So I think we should focus on that before we even think about getting cheerleaders. As much as some people may believe cheers win the game (probably cheerleaders think this), it&#39;s much more important to have a skillful team.

I&#39;m not saying it hurts, but I don&#39;t think it should be the primary concern just yet. Or ever a primary concern.

[NovelGentry]

Whilst the analogy is on the go, what purpose does a cheerleader have at all ?

As far as I can see it, it&#39;s merely to try and rouse support through alternative means for the &#39;team&#39;; to provide inspiration for the &#39;team&#39;

Surely neither of these can be bad?

It&#39;s not that it&#39;s bad, it&#39;s just that the team could probably use a whole lot more players as it is. So I think we should focus on that before we even think about getting cheerleaders. As much as some people may believe cheers win the game (probably cheerleaders think this), it&#39;s much more important to have a skillful team.

I&#39;m not saying it hurts, but I don&#39;t think it should be the primary concern just yet. Or ever a primary concern.

[DaCuBaN]

It&#39;s not that it&#39;s bad, it&#39;s just that the team could probably use a whole lot more players as it is.

Good answer :lol:

[DaCuBaN]

It&#39;s not that it&#39;s bad, it&#39;s just that the team could probably use a whole lot more players as it is.

Good answer :lol:

[DaCuBaN]

It&#39;s not that it&#39;s bad, it&#39;s just that the team could probably use a whole lot more players as it is.

Good answer :lol:

[cubist]

i too am not saying situations in nepal etc aren&#39;t importrant, but we have problems on the home front too, whilst trouble in third world countries will have lasting effects on the safety of the west, issues at home and what your leader is going to do about it are also important, to assume that becuase we have nice lives we must drop our interest in domestic politics to assist in the welfare of other nations is utter bollocks,


I think it&#39;s a sad reflection that we only remember Fidel, Raúl, and Ernesto when we think about the Cuban revolution. The same goes for the revolution in Congo, Bolivia and elsewhere.

I think its a sad reflection that we can&#39;t find/look to our own leaders of today for inspiration and that we have to look at fallen comrades and comrades of different eras for the inspiration to do what is right, but thats me.

its not that we simply remember fidel its that he is still alive and kicking and is constantly saying theres another fucking way look at me