Communism Is Anarchism

[Hiero]

What do people think. I think that Communism is Anarchism, as in the end the result is classless stateless society.

BUT

Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved. While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.

[Hiero]

What do people think. I think that Communism is Anarchism, as in the end the result is classless stateless society.

BUT

Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved. While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.

[Hiero]

What do people think. I think that Communism is Anarchism, as in the end the result is classless stateless society.

BUT

Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved. While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 28 2004, 12:09 PM
Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved.
Marx developed the concept of Communism to mean a statless, classless society. It is a proponent of Marxism but is not exclusive to it.


While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.

Yes, namely Communist Anarchism.

Your trying to deny that communism is anarchism based on Marxist practicalities. The theories are in fact the same. The difference exists between Marxists and Anarchists as both believe in different methods of achieving communism.

We are all communists, it is what you believe is the proper method to achieving it, which defines what trend you follow. Are you a Marxist Communist, or an anarchist communist?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 28 2004, 12:09 PM
Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved.
Marx developed the concept of Communism to mean a statless, classless society. It is a proponent of Marxism but is not exclusive to it.


While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.

Yes, namely Communist Anarchism.

Your trying to deny that communism is anarchism based on Marxist practicalities. The theories are in fact the same. The difference exists between Marxists and Anarchists as both believe in different methods of achieving communism.

We are all communists, it is what you believe is the proper method to achieving it, which defines what trend you follow. Are you a Marxist Communist, or an anarchist communist?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 28 2004, 12:09 PM
Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved.
Marx developed the concept of Communism to mean a statless, classless society. It is a proponent of Marxism but is not exclusive to it.


While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.

Yes, namely Communist Anarchism.

Your trying to deny that communism is anarchism based on Marxist practicalities. The theories are in fact the same. The difference exists between Marxists and Anarchists as both believe in different methods of achieving communism.

We are all communists, it is what you believe is the proper method to achieving it, which defines what trend you follow. Are you a Marxist Communist, or an anarchist communist?

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 28 2004, 10:09 AM
What do people think. I think that Communism is Anarchism, as in the end the result is classless stateless society.

BUT

Communist (marxist) belive that the state can be and must be used if Communist is to be achieved. While Anarchist believe that the state is not needed and it can be destroyed during revolution and it will lead to Communism.
Well, we also believe that the (bourgeoisie) state can and must be destroyed.
And we do not mean to use the state. But...we do believe that the proletarians will (because they need) to create their own state in the process that is the revolution, so to speak. The state is really the expression of one class' rule over another, and the proletarians need to rise to the possition of the ruling class - they are the only class with an intrest in the development we seek - communism, and to change you need power. And you will also need to defend this power from the reactionary forces. Hence we need an organized defence of our revolution - and for us, it is the same as a state. Note that this is a class dictatorship, not a party dictatorship or something like that. The proletarians will cease being proletarians and with them, their state, the bourgeoisie and capitalism will cease,
if we think dialectically.

[Poop]

Marx developed the concept of Communism to mean a statless, classless society
where production and distribution are based on the maxim: from each according to ability, to each according to need.

Anarchists are opposed to all rulers. A society could be stateless and classless but not based on the communist maxim. Therefore, anarchists are not necessarily communists. Also, anarchists are opposed to all forms of rulers, not just from the state and capitalism. Therefore, communists are not necessarily anarchists. Of course, there is a lot of overlap between communists and anarchists, but that doesn't mean they're the same except they believe different means must be used to achieve the same ends.

[T_SP]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 28 2004, 11:09 AM
as in the end the result is classless stateless society.


That's what we all hope for it's just getting there we can't agree on!!

[ComradeIvan]

Anyone who thinks Anarchism is Communism is a complete moron.
Communism has laws and stuff like that.
Anarchism is just complete bullshit, and any Anarchist who lived in an Anarchist society would very quickly begin to realize how shitty it is.
Think about how cool this is all you anarchist freaks.
I come into your house at night, round up your whole family shoot them in front of your eyes while a group of my buddies tie you down and steal all your shit. After words we slit your throat and leave you there to die.
WHOA! SOUNDS PRETTY DAMN COOL HUH?
Then the real bullshit begins. Groups that have lots of cash and have lots of people with them (like a gang or something) buys up a bunch of guns and various other arms. They come into a town take the whole town over and make the whole town work for them. This happens all over the Anarchist territory and what you have is a bunch of little states run by blood thirtsy, money hungry people where there is just war all the time between them for more money.
Wow, Would be real awesome to have your city destroyed by gang fights every day, your neighbors killed, your stuff and house used by the gang during the way therefore also being destroyed eventually. You and your own family probaly being forced to fight or work for the gang under the threat of death if you didnt obey.
All you anarchists should really think about what it would really be like before saying it is so great.

[Freedom Writer]

I cant help it, way I see it anarchism would just lead us to a world rule just like in madmax films. Lots of little groups that think the same way and so on.. I dont know, please enlighten me if Im wrong.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 04:53 AM
Anyone who thinks Anarchism is Communism is a complete moron.
Communism has laws and stuff like that.
Anarchism is just complete bullshit, and any Anarchist who lived in an Anarchist society would very quickly begin to realize how shitty it is.
Think about how cool this is all you anarchist freaks.
I come into your house at night, round up your whole family shoot them in front of your eyes while a group of my buddies tie you down and steal all your shit. After words we slit your throat and leave you there to die.
WHOA! SOUNDS PRETTY DAMN COOL HUH?
Then the real bullshit begins. Groups that have lots of cash and have lots of people with them (like a gang or something) buys up a bunch of guns and various other arms. They come into a town take the whole town over and make the whole town work for them. This happens all over the Anarchist territory and what you have is a bunch of little states run by blood thirtsy, money hungry people where there is just war all the time between them for more money.
Wow, Would be real awesome to have your city destroyed by gang fights every day, your neighbors killed, your stuff and house used by the gang during the way therefore also being destroyed eventually. You and your own family probaly being forced to fight or work for the gang under the threat of death if you didnt obey.
All you anarchists should really think about what it would really be like before saying it is so great.
This is a theory forum, not a forum for you to spowt off insults and swear and use cap letters. If you are going to critique a political philosophy, it is usually wise to know what that philosophy represents. Otherwise you look silly.

I will refer you to your other thread so you can get an idea about what anarchism actually stands for.

Anarchism Is Bullshit (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29512&st=0&#entry460009)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 09:02 AM
I cant help it, way I see it anarchism would just lead us to a world rule just like in madmax films. Lots of little groups that think the same way and so on.. I dont know, please enlighten me if Im wrong.
You have posed a very sterotypical prejudice of anarchism and I would suggest you read more.

You can read the thread that ComraeIvan very articulatly started, 'Anarchism Is Bullshit' (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29512&st=0&#entry460009) or you can go straight to a che lives resource created by one of the boards anarchists that gives a beginners look at what anarchism is. 'Making Sense of Anarchism - Anarchism for Dummies'. (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6421)

[Freedom Writer]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 6 2004, 11:30 AM
You have posed a very sterotypical prejudice of anarchism and I would suggest you read more.

You can read the thread that ComraeIvan very articulatly started, 'Anarchism Is Bullshit' (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29512&st=0�entry460009) or you can go straight to a che lives resource created by one of the boards anarchists that gives a beginners look at what anarchism is. 'Making Sense of Anarchism - Anarchism for Dummies'. (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6421)
Thank you.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 02:53 AM
Anyone who thinks Anarchism is Communism is a complete moron.
Communism has laws and stuff like that.
Anarchism is just complete bullshit, and any Anarchist who lived in an Anarchist society would very quickly begin to realize how shitty it is.
Think about how cool this is all you anarchist freaks.
I come into your house at night, round up your whole family shoot them in front of your eyes while a group of my buddies tie you down and steal all your shit. After words we slit your throat and leave you there to die.
WHOA! SOUNDS PRETTY DAMN COOL HUH?
Then the real bullshit begins. Groups that have lots of cash and have lots of people with them (like a gang or something) buys up a bunch of guns and various other arms. They come into a town take the whole town over and make the whole town work for them. This happens all over the Anarchist territory and what you have is a bunch of little states run by blood thirtsy, money hungry people where there is just war all the time between them for more money.
Wow, Would be real awesome to have your city destroyed by gang fights every day, your neighbors killed, your stuff and house used by the gang during the way therefore also being destroyed eventually. You and your own family probaly being forced to fight or work for the gang under the threat of death if you didnt obey.
All you anarchists should really think about what it would really be like before saying it is so great.
And your a communist? you sound like a Fascist to me. I&#39;ll put it down to you being new <_< . I seriously recommend you take Anarchist Tension&#39;s advice and learn what your talking about before you start shouting all that crap, its just going to get you restricted.