DEATH PENALTY - yes or no [Archive]

Political Prisoner

23rd May 2002, 19:55

I am for the death penalty in some situations. I think it can be used as a reason not to commit murder. The death penalty means to me that if you commit a haneous murder, you to will be murdered. We have to be realisitic it is a hell of a diturent and if that is the only way to get through to the people who do the horrible things they do, rehabilitation wouldn't work for them anyway.

I Will Deny You

23rd May 2002, 20:59

Quote: from Political Prisoner on 2:55 pm on May 23, 2002
We have to be realisitic it is a hell of a diturentThat hasn't been proven. If it's so much of a deterrent, why are there still so many murders in Texas (the state with the highest death penalty rate)?

Lindsay

James

23rd May 2002, 21:03

We have to be realisitic it is a hell of a diturent and if that is the only way to get through to the people who do the horrible things they do, rehabilitation wouldn't work for them anyway.

hmm, i'd agrue thats short term. Its the way people are brought up, the society that surronds them, everything about their habbitat. I'm reading this intresting book at the mo, and its a fact that a killer always thinks hes not to blame. They sometimes see themselves as public services...they try to rationalise themselves...

And as lindsay said. It doesn't work to well does it.

Whats worse, being killed quickly and painlessly as poss, or being locked in a tiny cell for the rest of your life?

hobo

23rd May 2002, 22:52

i don't see how any country who still has a death penalty believes that its justice system is one of reform and punishment. I mean once your dead your not very reformed and ready to re-join society and 'take an active role in the economy,' your just dead. I think that sentances for rape, murder and GBH should be increased with less chance of parole while the decrimilisation and then taxing of canibis should be introduced.

red senator

23rd May 2002, 23:21

I am against the death penalty in america because the correctional system here is so fucked up (there are no corrections, just punishments and re-offenders).

I think that in death penalty situations, the criminal should have a choice between life without parole and death.

Domino

23rd May 2002, 23:30

I say NO. I guess is better if they spend the rest of their life in prision, that's a much better punishment than just killing them, you know? Also, I disagree on putting some of them in a mental institution, that's bull. Anyone can murder, pretend to be sick and after a couple of years they get out of there.

VolareMIRCantare

23rd May 2002, 23:37

NO!!!!
When a person is commiting a murder they are not in the right frame of mind. They are not thinking of the consenquences until they have killed the person. It is not a detterant and never will be. Two wrongs do not make a right.

~*PeacE*~

Thine Stalin

24th May 2002, 02:07

As stalin said

"death is the great resolver, no man, no problem"

Thanks for the quote yuri :)

Nateddi

24th May 2002, 02:34

I support the death penalty in some, however very few situations.

Most crimes no. Murder in most cases no.

deadpool 52

24th May 2002, 03:57

What about in cases such as chronic rape and child molestation?

RedRevolutionary87

24th May 2002, 05:18

ok heres the deal...most crimes, no, instead we need labour for criminals, if they refuse to contribute to society, then we make them do it...however if its during the revolution its ok, oppossition is allowed to be executed durring an armed revoltuion simply because if they are not they will do the same to the revolutionaries...

Guest1

24th May 2002, 05:42

no, hell no. live and let live, my friends. the punishment should be, since everyone is paid the same no matter what jobs and no one likes being a janitor or garbage man, that's the kind of labour prisoners have to do :)

Unknown

24th May 2002, 09:22

Well i disagree with the death penatlty but, just about any one of us would be just itchin to cap off' Bush, i think the death penaty is wrong every one deseves another chance, and what if they were faulsely accused, but then some murders are just discusting when people kill for fun they cant be conviced to stop its like smoking, it kills but people still do it!!

SU37

24th May 2002, 13:39

No,Im against the death penatly.Killing them is notting to the person that getting it.The murders should just rot in there cell.

LeonardoDaVinci

24th May 2002, 14:36

A definite NO

TheDerminator

24th May 2002, 17:16

A definite no.

The power system is the Doctor Frankenstein which creates the monsters who carry out terrible crimes. Kill the power system, not the victims of it. Ultimately, the brutalisers have been brutalised by the system.

The system propagates the myth of the individual with only a conscience to grapple with, but this is the negation of all societal responsibility. It cannot look itself in the face and see itself as the Dr Frankenstein.

It says a lot for the United States, a so-called Christian country leading the "civilised world" that it goes against not just the spirit of Christ, but the scripture of the New Testament, which overtly counterposes itself, to the biblical "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth mentality." Christ rejects it. Only God has the right to play God with human lives. There is only the right of God, and the right of humans to exact retribution is a heresy against God.

They are poor Christians. They endorse state murder, and whilst you are at Karl Marx came strongly out against the death penalty. It is the call of the neanderthal reaction, and the call of the brutalisers. It is part of the problem, it is an evil in itself, and no human being who possesses compassion and a conscience can have truck with it.

Definitely no. No. No. No!

derminated

TC of Glockenspiel

24th May 2002, 18:00

No no and no. Life in prison with no chance of parole is far worse than "putting someone out of their misery" - and I totally agree with BOZG.

Can someone tell me how this works: The EU bans the death penalty. Turkey - an EU candidate does not. Neither does the United States of America. In America, the death penalty is put to use quite frequently. In Turkey, it hasn't been used since the 70's. Yet still the EU manages to pick a bone with Turkey saying that it must be eradicated before acceptance. Am I being especially moronic in just not comprehending this or is there really something wrong?

oconner

24th May 2002, 18:02

Zippy

24th May 2002, 19:27

No, and i cant beleive nobody has quoted this yet:

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
- Ghandi

Zippy.

Moskitto

24th May 2002, 21:50

No unless under exceptional circumstances such as genocide.

death b4 dishonour

24th May 2002, 22:00

man in the red suit

25th May 2002, 07:04

Quote: from Che y Marijuana on 5:42 am on May 24, 2002
no, hell no. live and let live, my friends.

correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the quote was live and let DIE. maybe I've just seen too many bond movies. Oh yeah, and the death penalty sucks. It seems too immoral for me. And besides, i believe living a life in prison would be more of a punishment anyway right?

Fires of History

25th May 2002, 10:04

Man In The Red Suit,

Nothing seems too immoral for you, not even rape.

Yeah, I can only hope you would sideswipe the death penalty for a life in prison where you yourself can get gangraped everyday. That would be justice. Fuck you asshole.

BOZG

25th May 2002, 10:32

FoH, I must of missed something but whats the deal with Red suit man being a rapist????

Public Enemy

26th May 2002, 00:08

definitely no, but in some cases lighter forms of corporal punishment may be acceptable.
eye for eyetooth for tooth is a bad policy

man in the red suit

26th May 2002, 03:19

will you forget that already? I gave you my sincerest apologies, I erased that horrible joke. And I admitted that I was a complete unsensitive asshole. Why won't you give it up. Do you really have some sort of grudge against me? Give it a rest. "FUck you, fuck you" I'm very sick and tired of it. If I have offended you, I will apologize yet again. It was wrong. But please you're taking this too far. I think you need to take a nap or something.

Blasphemy

26th May 2002, 16:50

the government cannot play god and take life at will.

revolutionary spirit

26th May 2002, 19:54

i would support passing death on key figures of the ruling class after a revolution if the likely hood of them being rescued while under arrest was possible-something like that.I think executing armed enemies in a time of war against the revolution would be more suitable than wasting resources feeding them and guarding them or letting them go.

Though i am against it at time of peace but like i said it would be too dangerous to let's say send a key figure to a prison when he could be bailed out by hostile forces.Like such an incident when Nicholas and his family were shot when it looked like the whites were going to free them.I support the execution then,although not enjoy it.

Blasphemy

26th May 2002, 21:35

we always have to keep are humane values. killing a person, innocent or not, goes against these values.

lenin

28th May 2002, 00:55

of course there should be the death penalty! how else would you deal with drug dealers, child molesters and so forth? i don't know if this quote has been used yet as i haven't read the thread but stalin said:

'death is the great resolver, no man, no problem'

this is simple, kill all the drug dealers, and no-one deals drugs.

Nateddi

28th May 2002, 01:21

or lock them up?

How can you tell the difference between a drug dealer and a drug user? Just kill them all?

maxfish17

28th May 2002, 01:52

For one thing, I think that "lenin" is wrong to say we should kill drug dealers and no one will deal drugs. :cool: For one thing, doing drugs in moderation is fine. These people just want to feel good. :cool: And even if you did kill all the dealers, more and more would still come because it's one of the most profitable jobs on earth.

More to the point: No, I don't agree with the Death penalty, not Just for the reasons that it's immoral etc., but also because so many innocent people are killed. The U$ has a bad record of finding that someone is innocent after they've executed them.

And I agree with Man in the Red Suit that FoH should just cool it. MitRS already said he's sorry at least a dozen times. FoH you should just forget it and move on.

Anonymous

28th May 2002, 10:04

If somebody takes a life, taking his or her life is still not justified becuase you are just answerng evil with evil and creating more pain for even more families.

Josip Broz Tito

28th May 2002, 15:03

I don't know what to say about death penalty. For years, I was against it, and I still am, but sometimes I heard so terrible stories of children harassment that I really don't know what to do with those people. Mental institution is not the solution. One rapes an eight years child and society need to help HIM????? Hell no. Just think about that child and her future life. Should we kill the pig? I don't know really.
And if we are talking about revolutions, it is very dangerous to support death penalty because who can tell when revolution is over?

Anonymous

28th May 2002, 17:04

I do believe in treatment dude. I think that people can be fixed. But i do agree that sometimes when people do shit like that it's just terrible and you just wnat them do die and go away but i still don't think it's an answer....

Josip Broz Tito

28th May 2002, 17:10

It is fucked up I know. But still... Those who rape children shouldn't leave alive. They should be burned. Not easy killed.

Anonymous

28th May 2002, 17:17

Maybe they should all be rounded up and be made to spend their entire life time just building things that would benifit others. they would be prisoners but constantly helping by building things for free haha!

lenin

28th May 2002, 17:18

i wouldn't kill drug users, just the dealers. i would nationalise the drug industry so that anyone who want to take drugs in moderation would have to pay the state. so all the profits would go to the state and to the people. the drug industry must be centraised so the state can monitor how many people are taking drugs and how much they are taking. in this situation, everyone is a winner exept the drug dealers!

Anonymous

28th May 2002, 17:22

yeh totaly. If you de-criminalise drugs then you would save so many lives. Also if the government controlled what was going into pills and stuff then far less people would die from the drug itself

hobo

28th May 2002, 17:59

I think killing people defeats the object of a criminal justice system, reform with lengthy tough sentances for all violent crime.

Anonymous

28th May 2002, 18:04

yeh ! hoboner, i mean hobo

maxfish17

28th May 2002, 22:29

Even if you agree with the Death Penalty theoretically, in practice it's very racially biased.

In the U$ hundreds of THOUSANDS of murders take place, and yet only a fraction the murderers are executed, and the vast majority are black.
40% of the executions the U$ has performed since about 1977 have been killing blacks, but blacks only account for 12% of the population.

Divine Soldier

31st May 2002, 01:40

No. The Death Penalty or Capital Punishment as Amerikka calls it comes from acient times when the ruling class will arrest and kill those the felt was a threat to the ruling power. Read about Sacrates and see how his situation is related to Mumia and other Political Prisoner's. This country has been know for killing people they fear...

P.E.A.C.E
(Proper Education Allahs Correction Everytime)

Valkyrie

31st May 2002, 01:59

http://www.amnesty-usa.org/abolish/

ID2002

1st June 2002, 07:18

NO! NO WAY!!!
....I have a great video clip of a guy being excuted in the electric chair. You can hear him screaming. There is blood running out of every oraphis, and you can see smoke.
Everyone I meet, either passes out or feels ill after watching the first 5 minutes of the film. Hey, the action is just getting started. The excution lasts another 20 minutes as they REALLY shock the hell out of him with full MAINS CURRENT. The man bursts into flames!!
They need a fire extingusher to put him out.
NICE!
.....the death penality really sucks!