The Birth Of A Nation

[Lardlad95]

One of my favorite things to study in history/politics. Is the development of Nations and political systems. The organization of a post revolution society and the prospect of creating a wonderful new nation. The failure of the articles of confederation and the eventual sucess of the constitution, the creation of parliment, the Roman Republic, etc.

So this is what I propose to communist and capitalist alike. Outline you your new government post revolution. For the capitalist, I know there are one or two things you dislike about the current government, so just give a description for how you'd fix it. If you are creating a new nation, use this outiline:

Heres mine (For the record it isn't like I've sat down and actualley exaimened this and analyzed it as an actual plan, I"m just doing this for fun)

Type of Government: Democratic Republic

Descritption: Officials are elected from their respective states are representatives of those people, or in the case of judicial or cabinet officials they are voted on nationaly


Branches: Legislative( House, Senate), Judicial, Cabinet

Description: The legislative branch has the ability to create laws (much the same way as in america) however unlike in America seats in the House of Representatives are won based on percentages. Instead of voting on a single candidate, the people vote for the party, however many percentage points the party wins they get a coressponding number of seats. E.G. The socialist party gets 54 percentage points in california. Then they get 24 of California's seats in the house. The Senate seats are done in the same manner they are now, people voting for a candidate. IN the Judicial Branch 9 judges are elected by the people every 5 years( as is the case in congress).

The Cabinet is the executive branch, instead of having a president however the executive branch is made up of 3 people in each department in the current cabinet. Like in congress, a party is voted for, however unlike in congress this election is winner takes all. The winning party establishes who they want in each department.



Electoral System: Direct Democracy (popular vote)


Economic System: Socialism

and thats all I can think of for right now.....

[Lardlad95]

One of my favorite things to study in history/politics. Is the development of Nations and political systems. The organization of a post revolution society and the prospect of creating a wonderful new nation. The failure of the articles of confederation and the eventual sucess of the constitution, the creation of parliment, the Roman Republic, etc.

So this is what I propose to communist and capitalist alike. Outline you your new government post revolution. For the capitalist, I know there are one or two things you dislike about the current government, so just give a description for how you'd fix it. If you are creating a new nation, use this outiline:

Heres mine (For the record it isn't like I've sat down and actualley exaimened this and analyzed it as an actual plan, I"m just doing this for fun)

Type of Government: Democratic Republic

Descritption: Officials are elected from their respective states are representatives of those people, or in the case of judicial or cabinet officials they are voted on nationaly


Branches: Legislative( House, Senate), Judicial, Cabinet

Description: The legislative branch has the ability to create laws (much the same way as in america) however unlike in America seats in the House of Representatives are won based on percentages. Instead of voting on a single candidate, the people vote for the party, however many percentage points the party wins they get a coressponding number of seats. E.G. The socialist party gets 54 percentage points in california. Then they get 24 of California's seats in the house. The Senate seats are done in the same manner they are now, people voting for a candidate. IN the Judicial Branch 9 judges are elected by the people every 5 years( as is the case in congress).

The Cabinet is the executive branch, instead of having a president however the executive branch is made up of 3 people in each department in the current cabinet. Like in congress, a party is voted for, however unlike in congress this election is winner takes all. The winning party establishes who they want in each department.



Electoral System: Direct Democracy (popular vote)


Economic System: Socialism

and thats all I can think of for right now.....

[Lardlad95]

One of my favorite things to study in history/politics. Is the development of Nations and political systems. The organization of a post revolution society and the prospect of creating a wonderful new nation. The failure of the articles of confederation and the eventual sucess of the constitution, the creation of parliment, the Roman Republic, etc.

So this is what I propose to communist and capitalist alike. Outline you your new government post revolution. For the capitalist, I know there are one or two things you dislike about the current government, so just give a description for how you'd fix it. If you are creating a new nation, use this outiline:

Heres mine (For the record it isn't like I've sat down and actualley exaimened this and analyzed it as an actual plan, I"m just doing this for fun)

Type of Government: Democratic Republic

Descritption: Officials are elected from their respective states are representatives of those people, or in the case of judicial or cabinet officials they are voted on nationaly


Branches: Legislative( House, Senate), Judicial, Cabinet

Description: The legislative branch has the ability to create laws (much the same way as in america) however unlike in America seats in the House of Representatives are won based on percentages. Instead of voting on a single candidate, the people vote for the party, however many percentage points the party wins they get a coressponding number of seats. E.G. The socialist party gets 54 percentage points in california. Then they get 24 of California's seats in the house. The Senate seats are done in the same manner they are now, people voting for a candidate. IN the Judicial Branch 9 judges are elected by the people every 5 years( as is the case in congress).

The Cabinet is the executive branch, instead of having a president however the executive branch is made up of 3 people in each department in the current cabinet. Like in congress, a party is voted for, however unlike in congress this election is winner takes all. The winning party establishes who they want in each department.



Electoral System: Direct Democracy (popular vote)


Economic System: Socialism

and thats all I can think of for right now.....

[Zingu]

Scratch that plan out, you said post-revolution right? What type of "revolution" are you talking about?! In the final stage of a Communist one, there is no "state" like you described!
If Socialist, then you're talking about some type of Social Democracy. That is unacceptable for Marxist-Leninists of course, they do have some validity to that though, it would just drift back into serving the upper class's interests. A classess society could never exist in such a government system. Let me think of this for a little bit.

[Zingu]

Scratch that plan out, you said post-revolution right? What type of "revolution" are you talking about?! In the final stage of a Communist one, there is no "state" like you described!
If Socialist, then you're talking about some type of Social Democracy. That is unacceptable for Marxist-Leninists of course, they do have some validity to that though, it would just drift back into serving the upper class's interests. A classess society could never exist in such a government system. Let me think of this for a little bit.

[Zingu]

Scratch that plan out, you said post-revolution right? What type of "revolution" are you talking about?! In the final stage of a Communist one, there is no "state" like you described!
If Socialist, then you're talking about some type of Social Democracy. That is unacceptable for Marxist-Leninists of course, they do have some validity to that though, it would just drift back into serving the upper class's interests. A classess society could never exist in such a government system. Let me think of this for a little bit.

[Xvall]

That is unnaceptable for Marxist-Leninists. Then again, Lardlad isn't one.

[Xvall]

That is unnaceptable for Marxist-Leninists. Then again, Lardlad isn't one.

[Xvall]

That is unnaceptable for Marxist-Leninists. Then again, Lardlad isn't one.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 03:50 AM
Scratch that plan out, you said post-revolution right? What type of "revolution" are you talking about?! In the final stage of a Communist one, there is no "state" like you described!
If Socialist, then you're talking about some type of Social Democracy. That is unacceptable for Marxist-Leninists of course, they do have some validity to that though, it would just drift back into serving the upper class's interests. A classess society could never exist in such a government system. Let me think of this for a little bit.
Well obviously it isn't after a communist revolution, seeing as how I'm not a communist. I never claimed that this would be the final stage of anything, simply a stage. There are two reasons for the type of government.

1: Because I'm considering this to take place in the United States. being such a large country. I find direct democracy on all issues to be unrealistic, and more to the point impractical. in large nations Representative democracy works best when it comes to day to day life.

2: I think that the American "system" of representative democracy is good in theory, it was just fucked up in the application. With tweaks I believe it could work a hell of a lot better.

Also in order for the upper class to be served, there would need to be an upper class to begin with. Remember I envision a society in which all industries and buisnesses are run democraticaly by the workers. Class lines by now had been all but stamped out.

The economic system it's self would prohibit anyone from amassing huge amounts of capital on their own.

Also Unlike in the Soviet union and other less sucessful "marxist" experiements it's a multi party system. So the people are better represented.

So if the communist party wins elections, hey make your own changes.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 03:50 AM
Scratch that plan out, you said post-revolution right? What type of "revolution" are you talking about?! In the final stage of a Communist one, there is no "state" like you described!
If Socialist, then you're talking about some type of Social Democracy. That is unacceptable for Marxist-Leninists of course, they do have some validity to that though, it would just drift back into serving the upper class's interests. A classess society could never exist in such a government system. Let me think of this for a little bit.
Well obviously it isn't after a communist revolution, seeing as how I'm not a communist. I never claimed that this would be the final stage of anything, simply a stage. There are two reasons for the type of government.

1: Because I'm considering this to take place in the United States. being such a large country. I find direct democracy on all issues to be unrealistic, and more to the point impractical. in large nations Representative democracy works best when it comes to day to day life.

2: I think that the American "system" of representative democracy is good in theory, it was just fucked up in the application. With tweaks I believe it could work a hell of a lot better.

Also in order for the upper class to be served, there would need to be an upper class to begin with. Remember I envision a society in which all industries and buisnesses are run democraticaly by the workers. Class lines by now had been all but stamped out.

The economic system it's self would prohibit anyone from amassing huge amounts of capital on their own.

Also Unlike in the Soviet union and other less sucessful "marxist" experiements it's a multi party system. So the people are better represented.

So if the communist party wins elections, hey make your own changes.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 03:50 AM
Scratch that plan out, you said post-revolution right? What type of "revolution" are you talking about?! In the final stage of a Communist one, there is no "state" like you described!
If Socialist, then you're talking about some type of Social Democracy. That is unacceptable for Marxist-Leninists of course, they do have some validity to that though, it would just drift back into serving the upper class's interests. A classess society could never exist in such a government system. Let me think of this for a little bit.
Well obviously it isn't after a communist revolution, seeing as how I'm not a communist. I never claimed that this would be the final stage of anything, simply a stage. There are two reasons for the type of government.

1: Because I'm considering this to take place in the United States. being such a large country. I find direct democracy on all issues to be unrealistic, and more to the point impractical. in large nations Representative democracy works best when it comes to day to day life.

2: I think that the American "system" of representative democracy is good in theory, it was just fucked up in the application. With tweaks I believe it could work a hell of a lot better.

Also in order for the upper class to be served, there would need to be an upper class to begin with. Remember I envision a society in which all industries and buisnesses are run democraticaly by the workers. Class lines by now had been all but stamped out.

The economic system it's self would prohibit anyone from amassing huge amounts of capital on their own.

Also Unlike in the Soviet union and other less sucessful "marxist" experiements it's a multi party system. So the people are better represented.

So if the communist party wins elections, hey make your own changes.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 26 2004, 07:03 AM
That is unnaceptable for Marxist-Leninists. Then again, Lardlad isn't one.
True. I"m a democratic socialist, not a marxist lenninist.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 26 2004, 07:03 AM
That is unnaceptable for Marxist-Leninists. Then again, Lardlad isn't one.
True. I"m a democratic socialist, not a marxist lenninist.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 26 2004, 07:03 AM
That is unnaceptable for Marxist-Leninists. Then again, Lardlad isn't one.
True. I"m a democratic socialist, not a marxist lenninist.

[Lardlad95]

Oh and to add this, remember guys, I did this at like 12 at night, after I got off working an 8 hour shift at work, I was tired, and I was bored. Lets not pretend that this is my Manifesto.

[Lardlad95]

Oh and to add this, remember guys, I did this at like 12 at night, after I got off working an 8 hour shift at work, I was tired, and I was bored. Lets not pretend that this is my Manifesto.

[Lardlad95]

Oh and to add this, remember guys, I did this at like 12 at night, after I got off working an 8 hour shift at work, I was tired, and I was bored. Lets not pretend that this is my Manifesto.