Do Your Political Beliefs Have Any Role In Music?

[LuZhiming]

This is a fairly simple question, do your political beliefs have any role in the music you listen to? For me, the answer is no. Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy. I listen to music for fantasy. I like a lot of Black Metal, Graveland, Emperor, Bathory, Burzum, Darkthrone, Blut Aus Nord, Vlad Tepes, Gorgoroth, Summoning, etc. These sorts of bands are mostly either National Socialist, followers of Norse or Asatru religions, extremists involved in church burnings and the like, or individuals who really don't care much at all about politics. Obviously I don't identify with any of these views.

Your turn.

[LuZhiming]

This is a fairly simple question, do your political beliefs have any role in the music you listen to? For me, the answer is no. Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy. I listen to music for fantasy. I like a lot of Black Metal, Graveland, Emperor, Bathory, Burzum, Darkthrone, Blut Aus Nord, Vlad Tepes, Gorgoroth, Summoning, etc. These sorts of bands are mostly either National Socialist, followers of Norse or Asatru religions, extremists involved in church burnings and the like, or individuals who really don't care much at all about politics. Obviously I don't identify with any of these views.

Your turn.

[LuZhiming]

This is a fairly simple question, do your political beliefs have any role in the music you listen to? For me, the answer is no. Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy. I listen to music for fantasy. I like a lot of Black Metal, Graveland, Emperor, Bathory, Burzum, Darkthrone, Blut Aus Nord, Vlad Tepes, Gorgoroth, Summoning, etc. These sorts of bands are mostly either National Socialist, followers of Norse or Asatru religions, extremists involved in church burnings and the like, or individuals who really don't care much at all about politics. Obviously I don't identify with any of these views.

Your turn.

[Poop]

For the most part, no. The only political bands I can get into are RATM and the Clash. And I'm not into them so much for the politics as for the sound.

[Poop]

For the most part, no. The only political bands I can get into are RATM and the Clash. And I'm not into them so much for the politics as for the sound.

[Poop]

For the most part, no. The only political bands I can get into are RATM and the Clash. And I'm not into them so much for the politics as for the sound.

[The Forum Idiot]

I don't mind political music as long as I like it for the music itself. e.g. The Clash. Also, did anyone else know one of the survivors of the Ramones is a serious hardcore right wing bush supporter. Yes. They have insulted punk.

[The Forum Idiot]

I don't mind political music as long as I like it for the music itself. e.g. The Clash. Also, did anyone else know one of the survivors of the Ramones is a serious hardcore right wing bush supporter. Yes. They have insulted punk.

[The Forum Idiot]

I don't mind political music as long as I like it for the music itself. e.g. The Clash. Also, did anyone else know one of the survivors of the Ramones is a serious hardcore right wing bush supporter. Yes. They have insulted punk.

[noland]

Music and politics are two completely different things Why go and make them one in the same? Guess that answers the question.

[noland]

Music and politics are two completely different things Why go and make them one in the same? Guess that answers the question.

[noland]

Music and politics are two completely different things Why go and make them one in the same? Guess that answers the question.

[Michael De Panama]

So, you listen to Burzum but not Mayhem? :huh:

Weirdo.

[Michael De Panama]

So, you listen to Burzum but not Mayhem? :huh:

Weirdo.

[Michael De Panama]

So, you listen to Burzum but not Mayhem? :huh:

Weirdo.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 26 2004, 01:14 AM
Also, did anyone else know one of the survivors of the Ramones is a serious hardcore right wing bush supporter. Yes. They have insulted punk.
Johnny just died like a week ago, man. The only "survivor" of the Ramones from the original lineup is Tommy.

Also, punk rock is about as revolutionary as elevator music. So, who gives a fuck?

Yes. I have insulted punk, as well.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 26 2004, 01:14 AM
Also, did anyone else know one of the survivors of the Ramones is a serious hardcore right wing bush supporter. Yes. They have insulted punk.
Johnny just died like a week ago, man. The only "survivor" of the Ramones from the original lineup is Tommy.

Also, punk rock is about as revolutionary as elevator music. So, who gives a fuck?

Yes. I have insulted punk, as well.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 26 2004, 01:14 AM
Also, did anyone else know one of the survivors of the Ramones is a serious hardcore right wing bush supporter. Yes. They have insulted punk.
Johnny just died like a week ago, man. The only "survivor" of the Ramones from the original lineup is Tommy.

Also, punk rock is about as revolutionary as elevator music. So, who gives a fuck?

Yes. I have insulted punk, as well.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

:lol:
nice one, mike!
:lol:

Most of the music I listen to has nothing to do with my political opinions. But socialist or revolutionary lyrics really make a song much cooler for me. But music can be good even if it's not leftist. And lots of leftist music isn't very good at all.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

:lol:
nice one, mike!
:lol:

Most of the music I listen to has nothing to do with my political opinions. But socialist or revolutionary lyrics really make a song much cooler for me. But music can be good even if it's not leftist. And lots of leftist music isn't very good at all.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

:lol:
nice one, mike!
:lol:

Most of the music I listen to has nothing to do with my political opinions. But socialist or revolutionary lyrics really make a song much cooler for me. But music can be good even if it's not leftist. And lots of leftist music isn't very good at all.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:10 AM
This is a fairly simple question, do your political beliefs have any role in the music you listen to? For me, the answer is no. Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy.
A very simple question and for me the answer is a resounding YES! (not to be confused with the boring over the top prog rock band).

I have to laugh when you say political music is annoying and cheesey and then tell how you prefer Death Metal, the only thing cheesier than that is the Christian Death Metal (for lack of a better definition). Oh and it is quite annoying too once you stop laughing. Then to make it worse they are mostly a buch of Nazis.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:10 AM
This is a fairly simple question, do your political beliefs have any role in the music you listen to? For me, the answer is no. Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy.
A very simple question and for me the answer is a resounding YES! (not to be confused with the boring over the top prog rock band).

I have to laugh when you say political music is annoying and cheesey and then tell how you prefer Death Metal, the only thing cheesier than that is the Christian Death Metal (for lack of a better definition). Oh and it is quite annoying too once you stop laughing. Then to make it worse they are mostly a buch of Nazis.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:10 AM
This is a fairly simple question, do your political beliefs have any role in the music you listen to? For me, the answer is no. Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy.
A very simple question and for me the answer is a resounding YES! (not to be confused with the boring over the top prog rock band).

I have to laugh when you say political music is annoying and cheesey and then tell how you prefer Death Metal, the only thing cheesier than that is the Christian Death Metal (for lack of a better definition). Oh and it is quite annoying too once you stop laughing. Then to make it worse they are mostly a buch of Nazis.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by celtopunk+Sep 29 2004, 10:43 AM--> (celtopunk @ Sep 29 2004, 10:43 AM) A very simple question and for me the answer is a resounding YES! (not to be confused with the boring over the top prog rock band).

I have to laugh when you say political music is annoying and cheesey and then tell how you prefer Death Metal, the only thing cheesier than that is the Christian Death Metal (for lack of a better definition). Oh and it is quite annoying too once you stop laughing. Then to make it worse they are mostly a buch of Nazis. [/b]
I have to apologize for not noticing this post earlier, so the response is somewhat late in coming.

You totally confuse Black Metal with Death Metal, an indication that you are speaking of something you know nothing about. I have to laugh when you display your ignorance so clearly. I have to frown at the fact that you are low enough to attack someone for their personal reasons of listening to music. Black Metal is actually quite a sophisticated type of music when one understands it, I don't think it is cheesy at all. What is often cheesy is the images, attitudes, and actions of many of the people who make this music, and that is the sort of thing idiots like you focus on. Sure, when one learns about people like Euronymous ridicolously searching for controversy and spreading myths about a "Satanic Circle" while taking this all quite seriously, the various church burnings, the obnoxious and annoying brand of NSBM bands who do nothing but rant in half-assed half-Hardcore songs, the pictures of practically everyone dressing in the same cheesy and worn-out corpsepaint, the incomprehensible logos which everyone copied off eachother, the rehashing of subjects over and over, the pictures of people like Rob Darken dressed in armor with a sword telling his fans to "drink the blood and eat heart of your enemies" etc. it is extremely cheesy, and a parody of itself. But this is all irrelivant and non-musical. You call this music "annoying" because you fail to understand it.


Michael De [email protected] on Sep 28 2004, 04:24 PM
So, you listen to Burzum but not Mayhem? :huh:

Weirdo.

Some of the greatest elements of Black Metal are lacking in Mayhem, I'll briefly attempt to sketch them out:

- The ability to be extremly melodic and heavy and sometimes chaotic and minimalistic at the same time.

A lot of types of music have done this, but none have done it so skilfully as Black Metal bands have. Black Metal reigns far supreme in this. Mayhem don't do this as well as the Black Metal bands I mentioned, especially Burzum. They lack skill making melodies as many of the other bands do, so the heaviness takes over and makes their music overall rather dull.

- The atmosphere

I won't try to describe it, but Black Metal has an incredibly atmosphere to it, which makes it much more enjoyable. Mayhem are strongly lack in this too. A lot of the reason is just due to the ineffectiveness of Mayhem's attempts at creating a great atmosphere, partly to do with the problem mentioned above. Again, Burzum is one the leaders in making atmospheric Black Metal, and probably the lead innovator of it.

- The narrative, harmonic song structure

Mayhem is sorely lacking in this field. Black Metal at its best has a very noticeable style of songwriting, which is highly narrative and harmonic, and thus tends to build on ideas a lot. This sort of structure sheds basically all Rock influences, something which sets it apart from other Metal subcategories. Mayhem sort of does this, but they're not very good at it. This destroys the spirit of Black Metal which I have come to love, and makes Mayhem boring. Also worth noting is that Burzum is a huge contributor to this. Back in the second wave, Bathory basically created this structure in albums like Blood Fire Death, Hammerheart, and Twilight of the Gods after Quorthon listened to almost nothing but Wagner records for a long time, but Burzum took this to the next level with their own offerings to Black Metal.

[Urban Rubble]

celtopunk, you're becoming one of the only people I can agree with on music anymore.

Alot of the music I listen to is political, yes. I don't require it to be, or really even seek it out, but if a song has powerful lyrics that you really believe in, it becomes something amazing. People who say lyrics don't matter are morons. Again, good lyrics aren't required, but they turn a goo song into something so much more meaningful.

Examples: The Clash, Propagandhi, Stiff Little Fingers, most of the reggae I listen to is very political (when they're not preaching religion), Rise Against, Against Me. All very political bands.


I listen to music for fantasy

What an odd reason to listen to music.


I like a lot of Black Metal, Graveland, Emperor, Bathory, Burzum, Darkthrone, Blut Aus Nord, Vlad Tepes, Gorgoroth, Summoning, etc. These sorts of bands are mostly either National Socialist, followers of Norse or Asatru religions, extremists involved in church burnings and the like, or individuals who really don't care much at all about politics. Obviously I don't identify with any of these views.

Oh swell, you buy things from, and therefore support, Nazis.

[GoHawks4]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 03:59 PM
Music and politics are two completely different things Why go and make them one in the same? Guess that answers the question.
Because music is one of the best forms of self-expression. Why should a musician keep his views silenced if they're an important part of his outlook on life. I'd prefer songs about politics over songs about getting dumped.

Yes, my politics do play some part into the music I like, but as was previously stated, I wouldn't listen to it if I didn't like the music itself, too.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 01:26 AM
I have to apologize for not noticing this post earlier, so the response is somewhat late in coming.

... I have to frown at the fact that you are low enough to attack someone for their personal reasons of listening to music.
Late in coming and long winded.

Who was it that uttered these words:

"Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy."

I too must frown (checks to see that my brow is appropriately furrowed) that you would attack someone for their own personal reasons for listening to music.

And yes I'm really quite a dope for lumping Black Metal in with Death Metal. What would Martha Stewart say?


Oh and one more thing "DEATH TO FALSE METAL".

Has Ross the Boss grow up yet?


Thanks for the praise Urban!!!

[Pawn Power]

I i like the music I like the music, but lyrics that exspress my political belifes are much more satisfiying. I can get into the song more and become more emotionally involved. Thats why I listen to bands like Leftover Crack, Morning Glory, Hopeless Dregs of Humanity (R.I.P), and Propaghandi. Their lyrics are political and they make awsome music.

[The Forum Idiot]

About the attacking people for tehir reasons for liking music...`

You shouldn't attack anyone for any of their opinions, whetehr in politics, music or anything else on the condition that they don't use their opinions to affect otehrs in a bad way.

Just as you shouldn't all attack me for being lied to by none other than ******* ** ***** about prog music.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

We're not attacking individuals, we're critiquing the music they listen to.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by celtopunk Posted on Oct 3 2004+ 11:46 AM--> (celtopunk Posted on Oct 3 2004 @ 11:46 AM)Who was it that uttered these words:

"Not only do I not listen to music which has anything to do with my political beliefs, but I despise the very idea of doing so. To me, such music is annoying and cheesy."

I too must frown (checks to see that my brow is appropriately furrowed) that you would attack someone for their own personal reasons for listening to music. [/b]

Unlike you, I clearly did not attack anyone for their personal reasons for listening to music. Look at the post, I simply answered my own question and said I hated political music and despised the very idea of listening to it. Never did I suggest someone else deserved harassment for listening to such music, nor did I make any other sort of attack. I merely stated my opinion, as everyone has besides you and Urban Rubble has done. Your post was clearly different, it was rather blatantly stated in an offensive manner, take note specifically of the "I have to laugh" line. Your intentions with this are obvious enough. Again, try finding something like 'I must laugh at people who _____' or 'I hate it when people listen to ____' or 'people who say ____ are morons" or any other such innapropriate and childish garbage. You will find none, as I never intended to start a flame war with trolls who like to focus on non-music aspects of bands in a music topic. I even took the liberty of avoiding using such words like "sucks" to describe my opinion of the music. I was a bit clearer on my reason for disliking lyrics like these by saying they were "cheesy and annoying." Lastly, I actually made sure no one could interpret as an attack on their reasons for listening to music by beginning that sentence with "to me." As you understand very well, there was no attack whatsoever in this post which I made in a rather light-hearted topic.


Originally posted by celtopunk Posted on Oct 3 [email protected] 11:46 AM
Oh and one more thing "DEATH TO FALSE METAL".

Has Ross the Boss grow up yet?

You troll, and troll, and troll. I really couldn't care less what Ross the Boss thinks about anything, now or in the 80s. He doesn't even play Metal anymore and since then Manowar's releases have been weak for a while anyway.


Originally posted by Urban Rubble Posted on Oct 3 [email protected] 02:30 AM
Oh swell, you buy things from, and therefore support, Nazis.

Assuming for the moment that the claim that I buy things from Nazis is true, one must point out the incredible hypocrisy in such a statement. This is like me trolling you about you buying, and therefore supporting, not to mention contributing, to Capitalism buy purchasing albums from Capitalist record labels. Of course, I don't really know how or even if you buy music, so such a statement is absurd.

As a matter of fact, I don't buy music from these people. I download a lot of music, and have bought some albums off of Ebay. None of these actions in any way support these people. Besides, even if I wanted to buy things from these bands, it would be extremely difficult to do so, a lot of this stuff is out-of-print, set to limited copies, only available in places like Poland or Norway where shipping is high as hell if one can even somehow get into contact with these people, only foreign currencies are accepted, etc.


RedZeppelin Posted on Oct 5 [email protected] 07:13 PM
We're not attacking individuals, we're critiquing the music they listen to.

I'm not sure who "we're" is referring to, but it certainly doesn't apply to this celtopunk fellow. I'll leave it to you to explain how comments like "Then to make it worse they are mostly a buch of Nazis" and "Oh and one more thing "DEATH TO FALSE METAL Has Ross the Boss grow up yet?" have anything remotely to do with music. GoHawks4 offered a sort of critique, look at his calm and thoughtful post. There is no trolling in it. This cannot be compared to the comments directed at me which I take issue with.