Pointers For My Economy Class

[napoleon solo]

ok, so i go too a private school which is really right-winged, even my economy teacher skips some parts of the book that are about the bad things of capitalism. Always in my economy class get into this arguement with my teacher, here are some of the things we argue about.

The bad things about capitalism. I point out that some people get screwed in the system and many of the people can't enjoy the "luxury" of capitalism, the my teacher points out that the government helps those who are "misfortunet".

How the open\free economy is much better than closed economy, such as in the Soviet-union. The teacher says that when a plan is set for the next couple of years cannot surve the demand and therefore everything is fucked.

My economy book literaly says that classes are impossible to avoid, and so does my teacher, i point out that it is immorral and wrong to keep people seperated by class, the artist is just as equal as that doctor.


These are just a few things that we argue about, my teacher a.k.a fascist bastard usually wins our arguement.

I hope you can help me with some response to these three topics.

[napoleon solo]

ok, so i go too a private school which is really right-winged, even my economy teacher skips some parts of the book that are about the bad things of capitalism. Always in my economy class get into this arguement with my teacher, here are some of the things we argue about.

The bad things about capitalism. I point out that some people get screwed in the system and many of the people can't enjoy the "luxury" of capitalism, the my teacher points out that the government helps those who are "misfortunet".

How the open\free economy is much better than closed economy, such as in the Soviet-union. The teacher says that when a plan is set for the next couple of years cannot surve the demand and therefore everything is fucked.

My economy book literaly says that classes are impossible to avoid, and so does my teacher, i point out that it is immorral and wrong to keep people seperated by class, the artist is just as equal as that doctor.


These are just a few things that we argue about, my teacher a.k.a fascist bastard usually wins our arguement.

I hope you can help me with some response to these three topics.

[napoleon solo]

ok, so i go too a private school which is really right-winged, even my economy teacher skips some parts of the book that are about the bad things of capitalism. Always in my economy class get into this arguement with my teacher, here are some of the things we argue about.

The bad things about capitalism. I point out that some people get screwed in the system and many of the people can't enjoy the "luxury" of capitalism, the my teacher points out that the government helps those who are "misfortunet".

How the open\free economy is much better than closed economy, such as in the Soviet-union. The teacher says that when a plan is set for the next couple of years cannot surve the demand and therefore everything is fucked.

My economy book literaly says that classes are impossible to avoid, and so does my teacher, i point out that it is immorral and wrong to keep people seperated by class, the artist is just as equal as that doctor.


These are just a few things that we argue about, my teacher a.k.a fascist bastard usually wins our arguement.

I hope you can help me with some response to these three topics.

[percept¡on]

Just can the moral stuff and learn the math. Economics is abstract at the introductory level anyway, if you think you're going to somehow convince an econ professor that capitalism is immoral you're insane. You're better off convincing a priest that God doesn't exist.

[percept¡on]

Just can the moral stuff and learn the math. Economics is abstract at the introductory level anyway, if you think you're going to somehow convince an econ professor that capitalism is immoral you're insane. You're better off convincing a priest that God doesn't exist.

[percept¡on]

Just can the moral stuff and learn the math. Economics is abstract at the introductory level anyway, if you think you're going to somehow convince an econ professor that capitalism is immoral you're insane. You're better off convincing a priest that God doesn't exist.

[redstar2000]

Thinking about classroom "arguments"...

1. Do you, as a student, actually know enough to argue convincingly the matter under discussion?

For example, the bland statement that "the government helps the unfortunate" is rather easy to refute if you understand how "public welfare" really works...but if you don't, then you're in trouble.

2. You will never "win" an argument with most teachers...in their eyes, they are the "grown-ups" and you are the "ignorant kid". Only at the university level will you occasionally find a professor that's actually willing to listen to and even learn from a student.

3. So the people you're really talking to are the other kids...how do or how will they react to what you have to say?

And what effect would you like to have on them? Do you want to get them interested in "left politics"? In Marxist economic theory? In some kind of political action at your school?

I notice, by the way, that you said you were attending a private school. Students in such schools often have a keen sense of their own privilege; they think they are already part of the elite in society and are not well-disposed to any challenge to the whole idea of elitism.

In other words, not the best audience for radical ideas.

4. Moral arguments inevitably boil down to simple assertions: "that's just wrong!" But it's not wrong at all to the people who benefit (or who think they benefit) from existing conditions.

Thus any attempt to construct a "universal morality" becomes equivalent to eating soup with a fork. Moralities are based on material interests.

5. It's always easy to make any teacher "look bad" on matters of fact...especially in the age of the Google©. But facts are almost always trivial...and will readily be dismissed as such.

If your "fascist bastard" says something really outrageous, you can google the facts of the matter and go back at him in the next session...and that might have a good effect on the other kids -- "this kid knows more about this stuff than the teacher does".

Don't forget that this teacher is being paid to promote the "virtues" of capitalism...he is not allowed as a condition of employment to make any kind of "fair case" for socialism/communism/anarchism.

So to really nail this guy, you must actually learn more about capitalist economics than he does and also learn some Marxist economic theory as well.

Is it worth it?

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[redstar2000]

Thinking about classroom "arguments"...

1. Do you, as a student, actually know enough to argue convincingly the matter under discussion?

For example, the bland statement that "the government helps the unfortunate" is rather easy to refute if you understand how "public welfare" really works...but if you don't, then you're in trouble.

2. You will never "win" an argument with most teachers...in their eyes, they are the "grown-ups" and you are the "ignorant kid". Only at the university level will you occasionally find a professor that's actually willing to listen to and even learn from a student.

3. So the people you're really talking to are the other kids...how do or how will they react to what you have to say?

And what effect would you like to have on them? Do you want to get them interested in "left politics"? In Marxist economic theory? In some kind of political action at your school?

I notice, by the way, that you said you were attending a private school. Students in such schools often have a keen sense of their own privilege; they think they are already part of the elite in society and are not well-disposed to any challenge to the whole idea of elitism.

In other words, not the best audience for radical ideas.

4. Moral arguments inevitably boil down to simple assertions: "that's just wrong!" But it's not wrong at all to the people who benefit (or who think they benefit) from existing conditions.

Thus any attempt to construct a "universal morality" becomes equivalent to eating soup with a fork. Moralities are based on material interests.

5. It's always easy to make any teacher "look bad" on matters of fact...especially in the age of the Google©. But facts are almost always trivial...and will readily be dismissed as such.

If your "fascist bastard" says something really outrageous, you can google the facts of the matter and go back at him in the next session...and that might have a good effect on the other kids -- "this kid knows more about this stuff than the teacher does".

Don't forget that this teacher is being paid to promote the "virtues" of capitalism...he is not allowed as a condition of employment to make any kind of "fair case" for socialism/communism/anarchism.

So to really nail this guy, you must actually learn more about capitalist economics than he does and also learn some Marxist economic theory as well.

Is it worth it?

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[redstar2000]

Thinking about classroom "arguments"...

1. Do you, as a student, actually know enough to argue convincingly the matter under discussion?

For example, the bland statement that "the government helps the unfortunate" is rather easy to refute if you understand how "public welfare" really works...but if you don't, then you're in trouble.

2. You will never "win" an argument with most teachers...in their eyes, they are the "grown-ups" and you are the "ignorant kid". Only at the university level will you occasionally find a professor that's actually willing to listen to and even learn from a student.

3. So the people you're really talking to are the other kids...how do or how will they react to what you have to say?

And what effect would you like to have on them? Do you want to get them interested in "left politics"? In Marxist economic theory? In some kind of political action at your school?

I notice, by the way, that you said you were attending a private school. Students in such schools often have a keen sense of their own privilege; they think they are already part of the elite in society and are not well-disposed to any challenge to the whole idea of elitism.

In other words, not the best audience for radical ideas.

4. Moral arguments inevitably boil down to simple assertions: "that's just wrong!" But it's not wrong at all to the people who benefit (or who think they benefit) from existing conditions.

Thus any attempt to construct a "universal morality" becomes equivalent to eating soup with a fork. Moralities are based on material interests.

5. It's always easy to make any teacher "look bad" on matters of fact...especially in the age of the Google©. But facts are almost always trivial...and will readily be dismissed as such.

If your "fascist bastard" says something really outrageous, you can google the facts of the matter and go back at him in the next session...and that might have a good effect on the other kids -- "this kid knows more about this stuff than the teacher does".

Don't forget that this teacher is being paid to promote the "virtues" of capitalism...he is not allowed as a condition of employment to make any kind of "fair case" for socialism/communism/anarchism.

So to really nail this guy, you must actually learn more about capitalist economics than he does and also learn some Marxist economic theory as well.

Is it worth it?

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[napoleon solo]

I have, for sometime, been studying how the economy works, i understand, at least in my country, how the public welfare works, but everytime i point the facts, my dear teacher switches to another subject.

My fellow students who are almost all born with a silver spoon in their mouth (ok, so am i), cannot understand my opinions, so it rather difficult to argue with an teacher and class full of rich kids. There is thoe a litte group of people in my school who share my bealives.

You area right about that i have to learn more about the capitalist economy and will do that, you have to know your enemy if you are going to foght him.

anyway, thanks for good post redstar.

[napoleon solo]

I have, for sometime, been studying how the economy works, i understand, at least in my country, how the public welfare works, but everytime i point the facts, my dear teacher switches to another subject.

My fellow students who are almost all born with a silver spoon in their mouth (ok, so am i), cannot understand my opinions, so it rather difficult to argue with an teacher and class full of rich kids. There is thoe a litte group of people in my school who share my bealives.

You area right about that i have to learn more about the capitalist economy and will do that, you have to know your enemy if you are going to foght him.

anyway, thanks for good post redstar.

[napoleon solo]

I have, for sometime, been studying how the economy works, i understand, at least in my country, how the public welfare works, but everytime i point the facts, my dear teacher switches to another subject.

My fellow students who are almost all born with a silver spoon in their mouth (ok, so am i), cannot understand my opinions, so it rather difficult to argue with an teacher and class full of rich kids. There is thoe a litte group of people in my school who share my bealives.

You area right about that i have to learn more about the capitalist economy and will do that, you have to know your enemy if you are going to foght him.

anyway, thanks for good post redstar.