Who Is Ready

[comrade_mufasa]

Anyone on this site ready and willing to pick up a gun and fight, kill and/or die for the revolution if it came to that.

I know someone will respond with " are you ready and willing" and my answer is the safety of my family comes first over anything including the revoultion, so. I don't know I would like to say yes, though.

The godfather said it best "a man that dosn't take care of his family isn't a real man". or something like that have not watched that movie in a long time. I know what I'm doing during the hurrican.

[comrade_mufasa]

Anyone on this site ready and willing to pick up a gun and fight, kill and/or die for the revolution if it came to that.

I know someone will respond with " are you ready and willing" and my answer is the safety of my family comes first over anything including the revoultion, so. I don't know I would like to say yes, though.

The godfather said it best "a man that dosn't take care of his family isn't a real man". or something like that have not watched that movie in a long time. I know what I'm doing during the hurrican.

[comrade_mufasa]

Anyone on this site ready and willing to pick up a gun and fight, kill and/or die for the revolution if it came to that.

I know someone will respond with " are you ready and willing" and my answer is the safety of my family comes first over anything including the revoultion, so. I don't know I would like to say yes, though.

The godfather said it best "a man that dosn't take care of his family isn't a real man". or something like that have not watched that movie in a long time. I know what I'm doing during the hurrican.

[Xvall]

Probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I think that dying for the revolution is really sweet and all, but living for it is a lot more productive. It's also not a great idea to dyr for a 'revolution' if it doesn't even end up suceeding.

Also, what type of revolution are you talking about here? A socio-cultural revolution? An economic revolution? A violent uprising?

[Xvall]

Probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I think that dying for the revolution is really sweet and all, but living for it is a lot more productive. It's also not a great idea to dyr for a 'revolution' if it doesn't even end up suceeding.

Also, what type of revolution are you talking about here? A socio-cultural revolution? An economic revolution? A violent uprising?

[Xvall]

Probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I think that dying for the revolution is really sweet and all, but living for it is a lot more productive. It's also not a great idea to dyr for a 'revolution' if it doesn't even end up suceeding.

Also, what type of revolution are you talking about here? A socio-cultural revolution? An economic revolution? A violent uprising?

[LSD]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in the age of "counterterrorism" it isn't a particularly good idea for anyone to go around advoating an armed insurrection, even a justified one.


Drake Dracoli -
It's also not a great idea to dyr for a 'revolution' if it doesn't even end up suceeding. dyr?

[LSD]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in the age of "counterterrorism" it isn't a particularly good idea for anyone to go around advoating an armed insurrection, even a justified one.


Drake Dracoli -
It's also not a great idea to dyr for a 'revolution' if it doesn't even end up suceeding. dyr?

[LSD]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in the age of "counterterrorism" it isn't a particularly good idea for anyone to go around advoating an armed insurrection, even a justified one.


Drake Dracoli -
It's also not a great idea to dyr for a 'revolution' if it doesn't even end up suceeding. dyr?

[Vinny Rafarino]

dyr?




The "E" is right next to the "R".

Do the math.




In any case, I find it hard to take the original post seriously when the revolution is placed into the same category as "going to the mattresses".

[Vinny Rafarino]

dyr?




The "E" is right next to the "R".

Do the math.




In any case, I find it hard to take the original post seriously when the revolution is placed into the same category as "going to the mattresses".

[Vinny Rafarino]

dyr?




The "E" is right next to the "R".

Do the math.




In any case, I find it hard to take the original post seriously when the revolution is placed into the same category as "going to the mattresses".

[Free Spirit]

I wouldn't join with any guns. I'm no willing to be involved with any revolution that is about to get their wills through threatening other people with weapons. Communism would get even more on their backs (our backs) People would see us as the new war-creators. Unfortunately that would lack the picture in people's eyes for what we fight for. And people's wives are important in policy. If we want to have communism as a working way of the society that has ability to change it as well then there shouldn't be any expectations of that people would agree and expect us with guns. People have it very easy to get the wrong picture, which could as well be seen as communists fighting for liberty by pointing a gun at someone's head! Or fighting for equality through killing someone!
"I have a lot to learn about communism but I just wouldn't go out with guns if I want communism to work in the society!"
am I "wrong" in any ways? :blink:

[Free Spirit]

I wouldn't join with any guns. I'm no willing to be involved with any revolution that is about to get their wills through threatening other people with weapons. Communism would get even more on their backs (our backs) People would see us as the new war-creators. Unfortunately that would lack the picture in people's eyes for what we fight for. And people's wives are important in policy. If we want to have communism as a working way of the society that has ability to change it as well then there shouldn't be any expectations of that people would agree and expect us with guns. People have it very easy to get the wrong picture, which could as well be seen as communists fighting for liberty by pointing a gun at someone's head! Or fighting for equality through killing someone!
"I have a lot to learn about communism but I just wouldn't go out with guns if I want communism to work in the society!"
am I "wrong" in any ways? :blink:

[Free Spirit]

I wouldn't join with any guns. I'm no willing to be involved with any revolution that is about to get their wills through threatening other people with weapons. Communism would get even more on their backs (our backs) People would see us as the new war-creators. Unfortunately that would lack the picture in people's eyes for what we fight for. And people's wives are important in policy. If we want to have communism as a working way of the society that has ability to change it as well then there shouldn't be any expectations of that people would agree and expect us with guns. People have it very easy to get the wrong picture, which could as well be seen as communists fighting for liberty by pointing a gun at someone's head! Or fighting for equality through killing someone!
"I have a lot to learn about communism but I just wouldn't go out with guns if I want communism to work in the society!"
am I "wrong" in any ways? :blink:

[Militant]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2004, 07:00 AM
I wouldn't join with any guns. I'm no willing to be involved with any revolution that is about to get their wills through threatening other people with weapons. Communism would get even more on their backs (our backs) People would see us as the new war-creators. Unfortunately that would lack the picture in people's eyes for what we fight for. And people's wives are important in policy. If we want to have communism as a working way of the society that has ability to change it as well then there shouldn't be any expectations of that people would agree and expect us with guns. People have it very easy to get the wrong picture, which could as well be seen as communists fighting for liberty by pointing a gun at someone's head! Or fighting for equality through killing someone!
"I have a lot to learn about communism but I just wouldn't go out with guns if I want communism to work in the society!"
am I "wrong" in any ways? :blink:
I would have to disagree with your argument. Popular revolution is the execution of the democratic ideal in an undemocratic society. Popular revolt only occurs when more democratic methods have been exhausted. Because a revolution as discussed by Marx is by the working class most would have an outlook similar to yours. Nobody wants to die, but after a point you have to risk death to live.

On the peaceful transition to communism, I doubt it would ever occur. One of the cornerstones of Marxism is that the rich wield the majority of the power in any capitalist society, and I doubt the would hand over the keys to the factories to a bunch of workers holding signs (with titles like End Exploitation NOW! and Power to the Masses!) outside of their homes. They would deploy their professional mercenaries to deal with the protesters, unarmed protesters, the kind mercenaries like the most(!). After a point, to save the lives of your family you'd have to take up arms. And yes, there would be death and killing, but hopefully after so many people have paid the ultimate price for communism, people for generations would treasure the gift they had received.

A note to Musafa, don't get you motivation, or lack of, for the revolution from a mob movie. It just makes you, and more importantly us, look unintelligent.

[Militant]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2004, 07:00 AM
I wouldn't join with any guns. I'm no willing to be involved with any revolution that is about to get their wills through threatening other people with weapons. Communism would get even more on their backs (our backs) People would see us as the new war-creators. Unfortunately that would lack the picture in people's eyes for what we fight for. And people's wives are important in policy. If we want to have communism as a working way of the society that has ability to change it as well then there shouldn't be any expectations of that people would agree and expect us with guns. People have it very easy to get the wrong picture, which could as well be seen as communists fighting for liberty by pointing a gun at someone's head! Or fighting for equality through killing someone!
"I have a lot to learn about communism but I just wouldn't go out with guns if I want communism to work in the society!"
am I "wrong" in any ways? :blink:
I would have to disagree with your argument. Popular revolution is the execution of the democratic ideal in an undemocratic society. Popular revolt only occurs when more democratic methods have been exhausted. Because a revolution as discussed by Marx is by the working class most would have an outlook similar to yours. Nobody wants to die, but after a point you have to risk death to live.

On the peaceful transition to communism, I doubt it would ever occur. One of the cornerstones of Marxism is that the rich wield the majority of the power in any capitalist society, and I doubt the would hand over the keys to the factories to a bunch of workers holding signs (with titles like End Exploitation NOW! and Power to the Masses!) outside of their homes. They would deploy their professional mercenaries to deal with the protesters, unarmed protesters, the kind mercenaries like the most(!). After a point, to save the lives of your family you'd have to take up arms. And yes, there would be death and killing, but hopefully after so many people have paid the ultimate price for communism, people for generations would treasure the gift they had received.

A note to Musafa, don't get you motivation, or lack of, for the revolution from a mob movie. It just makes you, and more importantly us, look unintelligent.

[Militant]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2004, 07:00 AM
I wouldn't join with any guns. I'm no willing to be involved with any revolution that is about to get their wills through threatening other people with weapons. Communism would get even more on their backs (our backs) People would see us as the new war-creators. Unfortunately that would lack the picture in people's eyes for what we fight for. And people's wives are important in policy. If we want to have communism as a working way of the society that has ability to change it as well then there shouldn't be any expectations of that people would agree and expect us with guns. People have it very easy to get the wrong picture, which could as well be seen as communists fighting for liberty by pointing a gun at someone's head! Or fighting for equality through killing someone!
"I have a lot to learn about communism but I just wouldn't go out with guns if I want communism to work in the society!"
am I "wrong" in any ways? :blink:
I would have to disagree with your argument. Popular revolution is the execution of the democratic ideal in an undemocratic society. Popular revolt only occurs when more democratic methods have been exhausted. Because a revolution as discussed by Marx is by the working class most would have an outlook similar to yours. Nobody wants to die, but after a point you have to risk death to live.

On the peaceful transition to communism, I doubt it would ever occur. One of the cornerstones of Marxism is that the rich wield the majority of the power in any capitalist society, and I doubt the would hand over the keys to the factories to a bunch of workers holding signs (with titles like End Exploitation NOW! and Power to the Masses!) outside of their homes. They would deploy their professional mercenaries to deal with the protesters, unarmed protesters, the kind mercenaries like the most(!). After a point, to save the lives of your family you'd have to take up arms. And yes, there would be death and killing, but hopefully after so many people have paid the ultimate price for communism, people for generations would treasure the gift they had received.

A note to Musafa, don't get you motivation, or lack of, for the revolution from a mob movie. It just makes you, and more importantly us, look unintelligent.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Who was it that said, "Don't die for your country, make the other poor bastard die for his?" It was some American general, either Patton or MacArthur...

But, if I believed the Revolution was more than something to be quickly crushed under the heal of the Bush regime, then yes, I would be willing.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Who was it that said, "Don't die for your country, make the other poor bastard die for his?" It was some American general, either Patton or MacArthur...

But, if I believed the Revolution was more than something to be quickly crushed under the heal of the Bush regime, then yes, I would be willing.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Who was it that said, "Don't die for your country, make the other poor bastard die for his?" It was some American general, either Patton or MacArthur...

But, if I believed the Revolution was more than something to be quickly crushed under the heal of the Bush regime, then yes, I would be willing.

[Sabocat]

Who was it that said, "Don't die for your country, make the other poor bastard die for his?" It was some American general, either Patton or MacArthur...


"The idea isn't for you to die for your country, the idea is to make some other poor bastard die for his" George Patton.

[Sabocat]

Who was it that said, "Don't die for your country, make the other poor bastard die for his?" It was some American general, either Patton or MacArthur...


"The idea isn't for you to die for your country, the idea is to make some other poor bastard die for his" George Patton.

[Sabocat]

Who was it that said, "Don't die for your country, make the other poor bastard die for his?" It was some American general, either Patton or MacArthur...


"The idea isn't for you to die for your country, the idea is to make some other poor bastard die for his" George Patton.

[Capitalist Imperial]

More intelligent responses that I expected... a similar thread earlier this year yielded some pretty stupid submissions

[Capitalist Imperial]

More intelligent responses that I expected... a similar thread earlier this year yielded some pretty stupid submissions

[Capitalist Imperial]

More intelligent responses that I expected... a similar thread earlier this year yielded some pretty stupid submissions

[fernando]

I can see that armed struggle right now it not a smart thing to do, our enemies are too strong. Defeating them on their own curve would be a better thing, forming a political party for example, organizing large demonstrations, get the people behind you.

[fernando]

I can see that armed struggle right now it not a smart thing to do, our enemies are too strong. Defeating them on their own curve would be a better thing, forming a political party for example, organizing large demonstrations, get the people behind you.

[fernando]

I can see that armed struggle right now it not a smart thing to do, our enemies are too strong. Defeating them on their own curve would be a better thing, forming a political party for example, organizing large demonstrations, get the people behind you.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2004, 07:00 AM
People would see us as the new war-creators.
There has always been a class war, and thats the war we fight, its not a new one, unluckly most people do not know of this.....


If a revolt like the General Strikes in 1968 in France, yes, I would join in!

[Zingu]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2004, 07:00 AM
People would see us as the new war-creators.
There has always been a class war, and thats the war we fight, its not a new one, unluckly most people do not know of this.....


If a revolt like the General Strikes in 1968 in France, yes, I would join in!

[Zingu]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2004, 07:00 AM
People would see us as the new war-creators.
There has always been a class war, and thats the war we fight, its not a new one, unluckly most people do not know of this.....


If a revolt like the General Strikes in 1968 in France, yes, I would join in!

[Postteen]

I totally disagree with you, Free Spirit. I think you're missing a point. When the time for the revolution comes, that means that all the people, the proletariat, will take the guns and kill the government. Who are people going to threaten? Only the torturing government they had, and the few who supported it. Not only (for example) will 10000 communists revolt. All the country must do it, otherwise, it has no difference from a common dictatorship. Here, we're talking about the dictatorship of the working class, of the proletariat! When the majority wants to kill the government, were not talking about "pointing the gun at someone's head"! We will point the gun and kill, why not, the politicians and the rich.(Or we could not kill them but take their fortune and give it to the poor.)

Of course there can't be a peaceful transition to communism as Militant said. It's totally impossible. The "spiritual" people will begin the work of the revolution and then people will follow them.

However, nowadays, in our capitalist societies, it's extremely difficult for the revolution to happen. And that's simply because people are afraid. They think “and what if the revolution doesn't succeed? What if the USA is involved and a situation similar to the Iraqi one happens?" In addition, there are quite a lot of people who have their jobs and their salaries.

So, as I said, the people must make up firstly, with the help of the educated and spiritual (theoretical?) communists(music can help too).(People have to reconsider their ideas about the USSR!!)After that, it's the proletariat's duty to revolt and get rid of their government (and have a new communist one!).

Finally, my answer to the question "who is ready", is no one, but the true communists, who again are not objectively ready.

[Postteen]

I totally disagree with you, Free Spirit. I think you're missing a point. When the time for the revolution comes, that means that all the people, the proletariat, will take the guns and kill the government. Who are people going to threaten? Only the torturing government they had, and the few who supported it. Not only (for example) will 10000 communists revolt. All the country must do it, otherwise, it has no difference from a common dictatorship. Here, we're talking about the dictatorship of the working class, of the proletariat! When the majority wants to kill the government, were not talking about "pointing the gun at someone's head"! We will point the gun and kill, why not, the politicians and the rich.(Or we could not kill them but take their fortune and give it to the poor.)

Of course there can't be a peaceful transition to communism as Militant said. It's totally impossible. The "spiritual" people will begin the work of the revolution and then people will follow them.

However, nowadays, in our capitalist societies, it's extremely difficult for the revolution to happen. And that's simply because people are afraid. They think “and what if the revolution doesn't succeed? What if the USA is involved and a situation similar to the Iraqi one happens?" In addition, there are quite a lot of people who have their jobs and their salaries.

So, as I said, the people must make up firstly, with the help of the educated and spiritual (theoretical?) communists(music can help too).(People have to reconsider their ideas about the USSR!!)After that, it's the proletariat's duty to revolt and get rid of their government (and have a new communist one!).

Finally, my answer to the question "who is ready", is no one, but the true communists, who again are not objectively ready.

[Postteen]

I totally disagree with you, Free Spirit. I think you're missing a point. When the time for the revolution comes, that means that all the people, the proletariat, will take the guns and kill the government. Who are people going to threaten? Only the torturing government they had, and the few who supported it. Not only (for example) will 10000 communists revolt. All the country must do it, otherwise, it has no difference from a common dictatorship. Here, we're talking about the dictatorship of the working class, of the proletariat! When the majority wants to kill the government, were not talking about "pointing the gun at someone's head"! We will point the gun and kill, why not, the politicians and the rich.(Or we could not kill them but take their fortune and give it to the poor.)

Of course there can't be a peaceful transition to communism as Militant said. It's totally impossible. The "spiritual" people will begin the work of the revolution and then people will follow them.

However, nowadays, in our capitalist societies, it's extremely difficult for the revolution to happen. And that's simply because people are afraid. They think “and what if the revolution doesn't succeed? What if the USA is involved and a situation similar to the Iraqi one happens?" In addition, there are quite a lot of people who have their jobs and their salaries.

So, as I said, the people must make up firstly, with the help of the educated and spiritual (theoretical?) communists(music can help too).(People have to reconsider their ideas about the USSR!!)After that, it's the proletariat's duty to revolt and get rid of their government (and have a new communist one!).

Finally, my answer to the question "who is ready", is no one, but the true communists, who again are not objectively ready.

[Professor Moneybags]

When the majority wants to kill the government, were not talking about "pointing the gun at someone's head"!

The two are not mutually exclusive.


And that's simply because people are afraid. They think “and what if the revolution doesn't succeed?

Or perhaps they're afraid of what'll happen when if it does.

[YKTMX]

The question of violence is a really easy one to answer.

Revolutionaries don't make a virtue out of violence, violence isn't what we use to change the world however it is the method of the ruling classes. They would meet any attempt to challenge their power with terrible repression therefore we must also be willing to use force if we have any hopes of succeeding.

[Lossenelin]

I don't think a peacefull transition to socialism is impossible (at least not in a democratic society) when the people wake up to the fact that system is screwing them and they are the only ones who can change it, they will form, join or become more active in Trade Unions, they will protest in mass outside parliament/congress, they will go to the polls and elect socialists.
If you have a good democracy, and the people are educated in and involved in the democratic process, socialism will be achieved with very little violence.

The problem is that the working class are not involved in the democratic process (through their own choice) in my country, about 30% of people don't vote, and statistics show most of them are from the working class.

[Raisa]

<<The problem is that the working class are not involved in the democratic process (through their own choice) in my country,>>

Alot of people are disenfranchised with it and think its a waste of time to learn about, because chances are what the candidates are promising are lies anyway.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

And this revolution which you are so desperate for...why would we want such a revolution?

Our unemployment rate is about 6%, we have little in the way of hunger or homelessness (granted, we have our share of mental disease and addiction, which is often confused and misrepresented as a "homeless problem"), we have a health care system that is the envy of the world, and the vast majority of our citizens have full access to it. Those that don&#39;t have access to the full system still have a safety-net system that is better than what is available to half the world. The opportunities available in our country are so enticing that we have a problem keeping our borders secure. Our univerisities are among the best in the world. We have nearly complete freedom of expression (although some claim otherwise when their opinion is not shared by others...they claim they are being censored or oppressed when really they are being ignored. Big difference).

Tell me again. We want/need this revolution of yours because...

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 11 2004, 09:41 PM
And this revolution which you are so desperate for...why would we want such a revolution?

Our unemployment rate is about 6%, we have little in the way of hunger or homelessness (granted, we have our share of mental disease and addiction, which is often confused and misrepresented as a "homeless problem"), we have a health care system that is the envy of the world, and the vast majority of our citizens have full access to it. Those that don&#39;t have access to the full system still have a safety-net system that is better than what is available to half the world. The opportunities available in our country are so enticing that we have a problem keeping our borders secure. Our univerisities are among the best in the world. We have nearly complete freedom of expression (although some claim otherwise when their opinion is not shared by others...they claim they are being censored or oppressed when really they are being ignored. Big difference).

Tell me again. We want/need this revolution of yours because...
Complacency will be the downfall of humanity.

[commiecrusader]

If I felt the revolution was likely to succeed then I would pick up a gun and fight yes. However, if a revolution started tomorrow, I wouldn&#39;t, since everyone would probably just get massacred. But when the time is right, I am not afraid to fight for what I believe in (well actually I&#39;d be shit scared but you know what I mean lol).

[Capitalist Lawyer]

I&#39;m still waiting for an answer to my question.

[BOZG]

I&#39;m ready. I&#39;ve got my revolution pants on.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

As much as I love the idea of embodying the dead imagery of macho gun-toting revolutionist . . . oh, wait.

Maybe I&#39;m just weak and passive, but the idea of all out war against a global capitalist hegemony with the capability to destroy the world many times over doesn&#39;t particularly appeal to me. I believe there are more realistic ways to bring everything crashing down than trying to relive yesterday&#39;s revolutions.

Terrorism has dirty conotations, but don&#39;t we want the bourgeoisie to be absolutely terrified (And, the people at large empowered to loot and generally liberate themselves)?

I&#39;m going to get my crowbar and my looting suit.

[NovelGentry]

Our unemployment rate is about 6%, we have little in the way of hunger or homelessness (granted, we have our share of mental disease and addiction, which is often confused and misrepresented as a "homeless problem")

Actually unemployment is at 5.4%... and if you ask me that&#39;s at least 3% too high for what we should be doing. Imagine, however, what it could be if people didn&#39;t have to work two jobs to survive. It&#39;d be amazing at how many jobs would open up&#33; More than enough to cover that 5.4%.

Homeless people are not the only people who go hungry, in fact, many people go hungry so that they can afford a place to live. In 1997 the US department of agriculture reported that 11.9 million households are familiar with your "little" hunger problem. 34 million American&#39;s risk hunger or are unable to eat healthful food. It&#39;s pretty tough to get to the grocery store and make decent meals when a single mother of two is working double shifts every day. But that&#39;s fine, cause McDonald&#39;s and Company see the benefits of that&#33; This doesn&#39;t even account for malnutrition, which is another issue completely... you can be have food on your plate and still be malnourished you know.

http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/17/overweight_food.htm


We have a health care system that is the envy of the world, and the vast majority of our citizens have full access to it.

Is that so, which nation precisely is it that is envious of our health care system, that is which nations other than the nations who don&#39;t have a health care system?

37 million without healthcare
28 million WITH healthcare, who feel they do not get the care they deserve.

I&#39;m envious already&#33;


The opportunities available in our country are so enticing that we have a problem keeping our borders secure.

If you&#39;re talking about Cubans, one of their primary reasons for immigration is to be able to live with family. Even still it&#39;s less than 2% of Cubans who feel the need to "flea" for this enticing land of ours. Mexicans probably have it worse than we do, granted, does that mean that we&#39;re as good as we should be? No. As far as Canadians... yeah, look at that mass influx of Canadians we&#39;re always protecting ourselves against.


Our univerisities are among the best in the world.

As they should be with an average cost 6 times greater than most foreign universities. Also, I&#39;m not sure where you get this idea that they&#39;re amongst the best in the world. We have our share of truly good universities, but so does the rest of the world.


We have nearly complete freedom of expression (although some claim otherwise when their opinion is not shared by others...they claim they are being censored or oppressed when really they are being ignored. Big difference).

Nearly complete isn&#39;t good enough for some of us.

Speaking of those who are just making wild oddball claims of being censored... Do you know why IndyMedia was shut down by the FBI? I&#39;d sure like to figure it out.... at least we the public have a right to know why people are getting arrested and shutdown these days... oops, no we don&#39;t.


Tell me again. We want/need this revolution of yours because...

If truly we are the "best" nation to live in, then merely because we should be able to be a hell of a lot better than we already are.

[revolutionindia]

Is that so, which nation precisely is it that is envious of our health care system, that is which nations other than the nations who don&#39;t have a health care system?

37 million without healthcare
28 million WITH healthcare, who feel they do not get the care they deserve.

I&#39;m envious already&#33;

That is an envious track record my dear friend

In India there is no such think as healthcare especially in rural areas

If you fall sick you can go to quacks who drive away the evil spirits possesing
you for a dollar a session or you visit the astrologer who will blame the planetary postions for your ill health and suggest sacrificing goats on a no moon day to set everything right

or else you can just sit on the footpath and die no one will care

There are very few public hospitals and getting treatement usually involves
greasing everyone &#39;s palms

The cost of bribing people is usually more than medicines

Desperate people are know to take loans from moneylenders at high interest rates to get treatement and only to commit suicide on getting well because they could&#39;nt pay back

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 10:28 PM
If you&#39;re talking about Cubans, one of their primary reasons for immigration is to be able to live with family. Even still it&#39;s less than 2% of Cubans who feel the need to "flea" for this enticing land of ours. Mexicans probably have it worse than we do, granted, does that mean that we&#39;re as good as we should be? No. As far as Canadians... yeah, look at that mass influx of Canadians we&#39;re always protecting ourselves against.



As they should be with an average cost 6 times greater than most foreign universities. Also, I&#39;m not sure where you get this idea that they&#39;re amongst the best in the world. We have our share of truly good universities, but so does the rest of the world.



Nearly complete isn&#39;t good enough for some of us.

Speaking of those who are just making wild oddball claims of being censored... Do you know why IndyMedia was shut down by the FBI? I&#39;d sure like to figure it out.... at least we the public have a right to know why people are getting arrested and shutdown these days... oops, no we don&#39;t.



If truly we are the "best" nation to live in, then merely because we should be able to be a hell of a lot better than we already are.
Dude you seriously need to visit other countries to understand where you live

[NovelGentry]

That is an envious track record my dear friend

In India there is no such think as healthcare especially in rural areas

If you fall sick you can go to quacks who drive away the evil spirits possesing
you for a dollar a session or you visit the astrologer who will blame the planetary postions for your ill health and suggest sacrificing goats on a no moon day to set everything right

or else you can just sit on the footpath and die no one will care

There are very few public hospitals and getting treatement usually involves
greasing everyone &#39;s palms

The cost of bribing people is usually more than medicines

Desperate people are know to take loans from moneylenders at high interest rates to get treatement and only to commit suicide on getting well because they could&#39;nt pay back

Anyone can say a country that doesn&#39;t have healthcare is envious of one that does... does that make ours the best it can be? No. Does that mean we don&#39;t have people starving? No. Does that mean we shouldn&#39;t do anything about it? No. This is specifically why I said "that is which nations other than the nations who don&#39;t have a health care system?"

You&#39;re comparing first world to third world, that&#39;s not to say India doesn&#39;t need revolution. But I have no clue about India&#39;s situation, nor is it my top priority. In case you didn&#39;t notice we were arguing why revolution should happen "here" -- and my response was to someone who says it shouldn&#39;t happen here. It should happen here. It should happen EVERYWHERE. I wouldn&#39;t have made a very good argument about why or why not revolution should happen here if I started off "well you know in India...."

Here == United States... that is what this argument was about last I checked.


Dude you seriously need to visit other countries to understand where you live

No I don&#39;t.

[revolutionindia]

Personally I feel you should be happy with the situation in America

Some changes are required in terms of leadership and foreign policy

This can be bought about in many ways

Revolution maybe ,maybe not
Is it viable ?I don&#39;t know

But If I lived in America I would quit complaining about healthcare,university etcetc

Its among the best in the world

even though there is always scope for improvement

But quit grumbling about it

[NovelGentry]

Personally I feel you should be happy with the situation in America

Why, it&#39;s capitalism... are you a communist or an Indian freedom fighter?


But If I lived in America I would quit complaining about healthcare,university etcetc

Well let me praise my pseudo-god that you don&#39;t live here.


Its among the best in the world

Oh, so the people who have it the "best" in the world have no reason to fight for communism? They can live in capitalism because it&#39;s the best capitalism in the world?


But quit grumbling about it

No