German Elections

[il Commie]

I heard that the Party of Democratic Socialism was the overall winner on some kind of german electiond (not elections for the Bundestag). And also that neo-nazis grew stronger.

Could somone give me more details?

[il Commie]

I heard that the Party of Democratic Socialism was the overall winner on some kind of german electiond (not elections for the Bundestag). And also that neo-nazis grew stronger.

Could somone give me more details?

[il Commie]

I heard that the Party of Democratic Socialism was the overall winner on some kind of german electiond (not elections for the Bundestag). And also that neo-nazis grew stronger.

Could somone give me more details?

[1949]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3674142.stm


The far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) - which the government has tried to ban - surged to 9% in Saxony, well above the 5% needed to enter parliament there.


The ex-communists of the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) scored 27.8% in Brandenburg - their best ever election result - but the mainstream parties still won in both states.

Voters in eastern Germany appear to have expressed their concern at high unemployment, which they blame on the SPD.

Our correspondent says the results are being seen widely as a no-confidence vote in Mr Schroeder, who brought in the welfare cuts with the blessing of the CDU.

Fifteen years after reunification, east Germans still receive lower wages, benefits and pensions than compatriots in the west of the country, and almost one in five is out of work.


The NPD's 9% in Saxony means that the party has gained seats in a German state assembly for the first time since 1968.

"It's a great day for Germans who still want to be Germans," said Holger Apfel, the NPD's leading candidate in Saxony.

Germany's government has described the NPD as a latter-day version of Hitler's Nazi Party and tried to ban it last year - a move rejected by the constitutional court.

[1949]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3674142.stm


The far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) - which the government has tried to ban - surged to 9% in Saxony, well above the 5% needed to enter parliament there.


The ex-communists of the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) scored 27.8% in Brandenburg - their best ever election result - but the mainstream parties still won in both states.

Voters in eastern Germany appear to have expressed their concern at high unemployment, which they blame on the SPD.

Our correspondent says the results are being seen widely as a no-confidence vote in Mr Schroeder, who brought in the welfare cuts with the blessing of the CDU.

Fifteen years after reunification, east Germans still receive lower wages, benefits and pensions than compatriots in the west of the country, and almost one in five is out of work.


The NPD's 9% in Saxony means that the party has gained seats in a German state assembly for the first time since 1968.

"It's a great day for Germans who still want to be Germans," said Holger Apfel, the NPD's leading candidate in Saxony.

Germany's government has described the NPD as a latter-day version of Hitler's Nazi Party and tried to ban it last year - a move rejected by the constitutional court.

[1949]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3674142.stm


The far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) - which the government has tried to ban - surged to 9% in Saxony, well above the 5% needed to enter parliament there.


The ex-communists of the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) scored 27.8% in Brandenburg - their best ever election result - but the mainstream parties still won in both states.

Voters in eastern Germany appear to have expressed their concern at high unemployment, which they blame on the SPD.

Our correspondent says the results are being seen widely as a no-confidence vote in Mr Schroeder, who brought in the welfare cuts with the blessing of the CDU.

Fifteen years after reunification, east Germans still receive lower wages, benefits and pensions than compatriots in the west of the country, and almost one in five is out of work.


The NPD's 9% in Saxony means that the party has gained seats in a German state assembly for the first time since 1968.

"It's a great day for Germans who still want to be Germans," said Holger Apfel, the NPD's leading candidate in Saxony.

Germany's government has described the NPD as a latter-day version of Hitler's Nazi Party and tried to ban it last year - a move rejected by the constitutional court.

[Edelweiss]

This is indeed a very worrying result. There can be no doubt that the NPD is a pure Neo-Nazi party, they have opened their party to militant Nazi skinheads, and have become the key organisation for the "national resistance" (Nationaler Wiederstand) in Germany. In East Germany, especially in Saxony they even are deeply rooted within the people, there are areas, of course especially the suburbs with high unemployment, which are so dominated by young Nazi gangs that everyone who are they decalring their enemy has to fear for their health, sometimes even for their live. In those areas there are daily Nazi attacks. It is a problem which not only existed since last sunday, but now where the Nazis have entered the safe world of the parliament, the bourgeois media and the politicians can't no longer ignore it.
BTW: the reason why the NPD was not banned by the constitutional court was because the whole party leadership was full of liaisons of the German inner intelligence.

About the PDS: Like most of the post-communist, former communist state parties, has become a "tradionial" Social Democratic party, don't think there are still in any way communist. Although some communist groups are still organized within the party, they don't have any power at all anymore.

[Edelweiss]

This is indeed a very worrying result. There can be no doubt that the NPD is a pure Neo-Nazi party, they have opened their party to militant Nazi skinheads, and have become the key organisation for the "national resistance" (Nationaler Wiederstand) in Germany. In East Germany, especially in Saxony they even are deeply rooted within the people, there are areas, of course especially the suburbs with high unemployment, which are so dominated by young Nazi gangs that everyone who are they decalring their enemy has to fear for their health, sometimes even for their live. In those areas there are daily Nazi attacks. It is a problem which not only existed since last sunday, but now where the Nazis have entered the safe world of the parliament, the bourgeois media and the politicians can't no longer ignore it.
BTW: the reason why the NPD was not banned by the constitutional court was because the whole party leadership was full of liaisons of the German inner intelligence.

About the PDS: Like most of the post-communist, former communist state parties, has become a "tradionial" Social Democratic party, don't think there are still in any way communist. Although some communist groups are still organized within the party, they don't have any power at all anymore.

[Edelweiss]

This is indeed a very worrying result. There can be no doubt that the NPD is a pure Neo-Nazi party, they have opened their party to militant Nazi skinheads, and have become the key organisation for the "national resistance" (Nationaler Wiederstand) in Germany. In East Germany, especially in Saxony they even are deeply rooted within the people, there are areas, of course especially the suburbs with high unemployment, which are so dominated by young Nazi gangs that everyone who are they decalring their enemy has to fear for their health, sometimes even for their live. In those areas there are daily Nazi attacks. It is a problem which not only existed since last sunday, but now where the Nazis have entered the safe world of the parliament, the bourgeois media and the politicians can't no longer ignore it.
BTW: the reason why the NPD was not banned by the constitutional court was because the whole party leadership was full of liaisons of the German inner intelligence.

About the PDS: Like most of the post-communist, former communist state parties, has become a "tradionial" Social Democratic party, don't think there are still in any way communist. Although some communist groups are still organized within the party, they don't have any power at all anymore.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:24 AM
BTW: the reason why the NPD was not banned by the constitutional court was because the whole party leadership was full of liaisons of the German inner intelligence.
A German comrade was telling me about that. Apparently the NPD was completely riddled with German intelligence from membership to leadership and in this time had become more and more militant and violent. But when the Constitutional Court reviewed the case, they were unable to distinguish as to whether actual Nazis or German intelligence members had been responsible for the party's militancy (in an attempt to push them into a position where they could be legally banned). I think that's what the story was anyway.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:24 AM
BTW: the reason why the NPD was not banned by the constitutional court was because the whole party leadership was full of liaisons of the German inner intelligence.
A German comrade was telling me about that. Apparently the NPD was completely riddled with German intelligence from membership to leadership and in this time had become more and more militant and violent. But when the Constitutional Court reviewed the case, they were unable to distinguish as to whether actual Nazis or German intelligence members had been responsible for the party's militancy (in an attempt to push them into a position where they could be legally banned). I think that's what the story was anyway.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:24 AM
BTW: the reason why the NPD was not banned by the constitutional court was because the whole party leadership was full of liaisons of the German inner intelligence.
A German comrade was telling me about that. Apparently the NPD was completely riddled with German intelligence from membership to leadership and in this time had become more and more militant and violent. But when the Constitutional Court reviewed the case, they were unable to distinguish as to whether actual Nazis or German intelligence members had been responsible for the party's militancy (in an attempt to push them into a position where they could be legally banned). I think that's what the story was anyway.

[Hate Is Art]

What kind of situation would have to arise for them to be banned then?

[Hate Is Art]

What kind of situation would have to arise for them to be banned then?

[Hate Is Art]

What kind of situation would have to arise for them to be banned then?

[commiecrusader]

The fact that German voters are moving more extreme isn't really a surprise though. The same worries were expressed and occurred in their last elections but to a lesser extent. And in France's last elections there were fears the voters were moving towards the Neo-Nazis there. And it's occurring in the UK too. Look at the nationalist pricks like Kilroy-Silks UKIP and the growing support for the BNP in the Council and European elections recently. People are ignorant to the fact that none of the 'communist' countries so far have actually been communist, and so turn to the right. In fact one of my friends claims Hitler was a socialist just because NSDAP stands for National Socialist German Workers Party. He doesn't understand that that was just a name to appeal to the workers. The current generation is too set in the 'cold war' mentality held by their parents to change left.

[commiecrusader]

The fact that German voters are moving more extreme isn't really a surprise though. The same worries were expressed and occurred in their last elections but to a lesser extent. And in France's last elections there were fears the voters were moving towards the Neo-Nazis there. And it's occurring in the UK too. Look at the nationalist pricks like Kilroy-Silks UKIP and the growing support for the BNP in the Council and European elections recently. People are ignorant to the fact that none of the 'communist' countries so far have actually been communist, and so turn to the right. In fact one of my friends claims Hitler was a socialist just because NSDAP stands for National Socialist German Workers Party. He doesn't understand that that was just a name to appeal to the workers. The current generation is too set in the 'cold war' mentality held by their parents to change left.

[commiecrusader]

The fact that German voters are moving more extreme isn't really a surprise though. The same worries were expressed and occurred in their last elections but to a lesser extent. And in France's last elections there were fears the voters were moving towards the Neo-Nazis there. And it's occurring in the UK too. Look at the nationalist pricks like Kilroy-Silks UKIP and the growing support for the BNP in the Council and European elections recently. People are ignorant to the fact that none of the 'communist' countries so far have actually been communist, and so turn to the right. In fact one of my friends claims Hitler was a socialist just because NSDAP stands for National Socialist German Workers Party. He doesn't understand that that was just a name to appeal to the workers. The current generation is too set in the 'cold war' mentality held by their parents to change left.

[socialistfuture]

part of it is a lot of people are a polical - or are anti communist - then some anarchists dont like to vote... liberals arent offering the solutions .. so some turn to the extreme right and into scapegoat politics.
there are so many different leftist ideology/factions that it can get very split and small. add to that a lot of ppl have simply given up with politics means low voter turn out which usually helps the right.
on the good side a lot of the extreme right is very factional as well - but just some getting in can lead to acceptance of that idea and some govts stealing the rascism line and racist immigration policies and practices.
the EU and european nationalism are heating up. all the more need for us to get our shit together.

[socialistfuture]

part of it is a lot of people are a polical - or are anti communist - then some anarchists dont like to vote... liberals arent offering the solutions .. so some turn to the extreme right and into scapegoat politics.
there are so many different leftist ideology/factions that it can get very split and small. add to that a lot of ppl have simply given up with politics means low voter turn out which usually helps the right.
on the good side a lot of the extreme right is very factional as well - but just some getting in can lead to acceptance of that idea and some govts stealing the rascism line and racist immigration policies and practices.
the EU and european nationalism are heating up. all the more need for us to get our shit together.

[socialistfuture]

part of it is a lot of people are a polical - or are anti communist - then some anarchists dont like to vote... liberals arent offering the solutions .. so some turn to the extreme right and into scapegoat politics.
there are so many different leftist ideology/factions that it can get very split and small. add to that a lot of ppl have simply given up with politics means low voter turn out which usually helps the right.
on the good side a lot of the extreme right is very factional as well - but just some getting in can lead to acceptance of that idea and some govts stealing the rascism line and racist immigration policies and practices.
the EU and european nationalism are heating up. all the more need for us to get our shit together.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:36 AM
People are ignorant to the fact that none of the 'communist' countries so far have actually been communist, and so turn to the right.
Not necessarily. The rise of the European right has been a factor of the effects of capitalism. I won't go into details on the current state of world affairs, we all know that. The turn to the right represents a growing anger, alienation and disillussionment with the status quo and a desire for an alternative and an anti-establishment movement. Unfortunately due to the massive sell out by social-democracy and by the unions and their current inability to play a militant role in society, this anger has drifted into the fascist movement and parties. It is no coincident that the 'foot soldiers' of many fascist organisations come from the working class. The most downtrodden sections of society will look for any alternative to their current situation and if a strong left-wing alternative doesn't exist, then the far-right will have a voice. It is all the more important now that we cut the fascists off and stop them everywhere they go, to stop them organising and recruiting. There is a massive need to smash the trade union leadership and revive the power of the unions and put forward a very clear socialist programme, one that dispels the myths of fascism.

I'll avoid saying anything on the need for a revolutionary party because it will just start another whining session.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:36 AM
People are ignorant to the fact that none of the 'communist' countries so far have actually been communist, and so turn to the right.
Not necessarily. The rise of the European right has been a factor of the effects of capitalism. I won't go into details on the current state of world affairs, we all know that. The turn to the right represents a growing anger, alienation and disillussionment with the status quo and a desire for an alternative and an anti-establishment movement. Unfortunately due to the massive sell out by social-democracy and by the unions and their current inability to play a militant role in society, this anger has drifted into the fascist movement and parties. It is no coincident that the 'foot soldiers' of many fascist organisations come from the working class. The most downtrodden sections of society will look for any alternative to their current situation and if a strong left-wing alternative doesn't exist, then the far-right will have a voice. It is all the more important now that we cut the fascists off and stop them everywhere they go, to stop them organising and recruiting. There is a massive need to smash the trade union leadership and revive the power of the unions and put forward a very clear socialist programme, one that dispels the myths of fascism.

I'll avoid saying anything on the need for a revolutionary party because it will just start another whining session.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:36 AM
People are ignorant to the fact that none of the 'communist' countries so far have actually been communist, and so turn to the right.
Not necessarily. The rise of the European right has been a factor of the effects of capitalism. I won't go into details on the current state of world affairs, we all know that. The turn to the right represents a growing anger, alienation and disillussionment with the status quo and a desire for an alternative and an anti-establishment movement. Unfortunately due to the massive sell out by social-democracy and by the unions and their current inability to play a militant role in society, this anger has drifted into the fascist movement and parties. It is no coincident that the 'foot soldiers' of many fascist organisations come from the working class. The most downtrodden sections of society will look for any alternative to their current situation and if a strong left-wing alternative doesn't exist, then the far-right will have a voice. It is all the more important now that we cut the fascists off and stop them everywhere they go, to stop them organising and recruiting. There is a massive need to smash the trade union leadership and revive the power of the unions and put forward a very clear socialist programme, one that dispels the myths of fascism.

I'll avoid saying anything on the need for a revolutionary party because it will just start another whining session.

[h&s]

I may be wrong, but I think the nazis are hijacking the left in Germany. They don't claim to be left, and they admit that they hate the left, but I have seen photos of the Nazis who have managed to get to the front of those monday (?) protests with their 'arbeit, freiheit, und brot' slogans (or whatever the modern equivalent is) which makes them look like they represent the workers.
Nazis should be crushed wherever they show their un-wanted faces, before its too late.

[h&s]

I may be wrong, but I think the nazis are hijacking the left in Germany. They don't claim to be left, and they admit that they hate the left, but I have seen photos of the Nazis who have managed to get to the front of those monday (?) protests with their 'arbeit, freiheit, und brot' slogans (or whatever the modern equivalent is) which makes them look like they represent the workers.
Nazis should be crushed wherever they show their un-wanted faces, before its too late.

[h&s]

I may be wrong, but I think the nazis are hijacking the left in Germany. They don't claim to be left, and they admit that they hate the left, but I have seen photos of the Nazis who have managed to get to the front of those monday (?) protests with their 'arbeit, freiheit, und brot' slogans (or whatever the modern equivalent is) which makes them look like they represent the workers.
Nazis should be crushed wherever they show their un-wanted faces, before its too late.