Voluntary Socialism?

[Nyder]

Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

Therefore - SOCIALISM=HUGE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE STATE

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Now before we start, let's just clarify the definitions:

Socialism/Communism: a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

Capitalism: all property is owned privately.

^I include this because honestly by what I read on this site I doubt that some people here even know the definition of the ideology they're defending. :rolleyes:

[Nyder]

Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

Therefore - SOCIALISM=HUGE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE STATE

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Now before we start, let's just clarify the definitions:

Socialism/Communism: a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

Capitalism: all property is owned privately.

^I include this because honestly by what I read on this site I doubt that some people here even know the definition of the ideology they're defending. :rolleyes:

[Nyder]

Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

Therefore - SOCIALISM=HUGE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE STATE

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Now before we start, let's just clarify the definitions:

Socialism/Communism: a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

Capitalism: all property is owned privately.

^I include this because honestly by what I read on this site I doubt that some people here even know the definition of the ideology they're defending. :rolleyes:

[NovelGentry]

I agree... socialism is a HUGE, probably more than you think expansion of the police state. Many socialist feel the need to not just arm the police but to arm the people against counter-revolutionaries. It's insane!!! The people actually defend what they want! It's like the entire population becomes the army.

I have to wonder where you get your methods of acheiving communism/socialism from. Certainly not me.... the abolishment of private property (by my method of acheiving it... granted which has never been tested) happens during or just post the actual revolution by the new state, the dictatorship of the proletariat. It is of course forced upon those who are unwilling ot give up the property that the working class was exploited so they could have. But this giving up is backed by all those who backed the revolution, which I would presume to be the entire working class or the revolution wouldn't of happened to begin with.

Which communist was it that told you the private property of these people would not be seized by force? That is what the revolution IS! You think the corporate farmers in Cuba wanted to give up "their" land?

[NovelGentry]

I agree... socialism is a HUGE, probably more than you think expansion of the police state. Many socialist feel the need to not just arm the police but to arm the people against counter-revolutionaries. It's insane!!! The people actually defend what they want! It's like the entire population becomes the army.

I have to wonder where you get your methods of acheiving communism/socialism from. Certainly not me.... the abolishment of private property (by my method of acheiving it... granted which has never been tested) happens during or just post the actual revolution by the new state, the dictatorship of the proletariat. It is of course forced upon those who are unwilling ot give up the property that the working class was exploited so they could have. But this giving up is backed by all those who backed the revolution, which I would presume to be the entire working class or the revolution wouldn't of happened to begin with.

Which communist was it that told you the private property of these people would not be seized by force? That is what the revolution IS! You think the corporate farmers in Cuba wanted to give up "their" land?

[NovelGentry]

I agree... socialism is a HUGE, probably more than you think expansion of the police state. Many socialist feel the need to not just arm the police but to arm the people against counter-revolutionaries. It's insane!!! The people actually defend what they want! It's like the entire population becomes the army.

I have to wonder where you get your methods of acheiving communism/socialism from. Certainly not me.... the abolishment of private property (by my method of acheiving it... granted which has never been tested) happens during or just post the actual revolution by the new state, the dictatorship of the proletariat. It is of course forced upon those who are unwilling ot give up the property that the working class was exploited so they could have. But this giving up is backed by all those who backed the revolution, which I would presume to be the entire working class or the revolution wouldn't of happened to begin with.

Which communist was it that told you the private property of these people would not be seized by force? That is what the revolution IS! You think the corporate farmers in Cuba wanted to give up "their" land?

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 12:10 AM
Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

Therefore - SOCIALISM=HUGE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE STATE

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Now before we start, let's just clarify the definitions:

Socialism/Communism: a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

Capitalism: all property is owned privately.

^I include this because honestly by what I read on this site I doubt that some people here even know the definition of the ideology they're defending. :rolleyes:
Don't know the definition eh? Well, what is a definition other than what we make it? I think it is you who is the one that has the mistaken impression about this ideology. You ought to start fighting against what people here are actually saying rather than what you think they 'should' be saying.

Conservativism from 200 years ago advocated something that's not the exactly the same that's what it is advocating today. Ideologies evolve, so did Communism.

As for an example of policies, refer to that democratization of labour post I made in the "true communist state when" thread.

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 12:10 AM
Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

Therefore - SOCIALISM=HUGE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE STATE

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Now before we start, let's just clarify the definitions:

Socialism/Communism: a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

Capitalism: all property is owned privately.

^I include this because honestly by what I read on this site I doubt that some people here even know the definition of the ideology they're defending. :rolleyes:
Don't know the definition eh? Well, what is a definition other than what we make it? I think it is you who is the one that has the mistaken impression about this ideology. You ought to start fighting against what people here are actually saying rather than what you think they 'should' be saying.

Conservativism from 200 years ago advocated something that's not the exactly the same that's what it is advocating today. Ideologies evolve, so did Communism.

As for an example of policies, refer to that democratization of labour post I made in the "true communist state when" thread.

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 12:10 AM
Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

Therefore - SOCIALISM=HUGE EXPANSION OF THE POLICE STATE

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Now before we start, let's just clarify the definitions:

Socialism/Communism: a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

Capitalism: all property is owned privately.

^I include this because honestly by what I read on this site I doubt that some people here even know the definition of the ideology they're defending. :rolleyes:
Don't know the definition eh? Well, what is a definition other than what we make it? I think it is you who is the one that has the mistaken impression about this ideology. You ought to start fighting against what people here are actually saying rather than what you think they 'should' be saying.

Conservativism from 200 years ago advocated something that's not the exactly the same that's what it is advocating today. Ideologies evolve, so did Communism.

As for an example of policies, refer to that democratization of labour post I made in the "true communist state when" thread.

[LSD]

Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

um..it's called a revolution becaue things change.

I don't thnk the slave owners liked loosing their slaves, but once things changed, they accepted it. We don't need a "massive police state" to keep Georiga in lin now do we?

[LSD]

Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

um..it's called a revolution becaue things change.

I don't thnk the slave owners liked loosing their slaves, but once things changed, they accepted it. We don't need a "massive police state" to keep Georiga in lin now do we?

[LSD]

Tell me - how will socialism become voluntary? And don't give me your usual 'revolution of the mind' bullshit - because that is ridiculous and impossible. You aren't just going to suddenly get everyone in western countries to give up all of their property to the state for their own supposed 'good', voluntarily.

um..it's called a revolution becaue things change.

I don't thnk the slave owners liked loosing their slaves, but once things changed, they accepted it. We don't need a "massive police state" to keep Georiga in lin now do we?

[NovelGentry]

No, but we needed a civil war to induce such change. Which goes back to my original point, the revolution IS the change. That and not understanding where he got this voluntary crap from.

[NovelGentry]

No, but we needed a civil war to induce such change. Which goes back to my original point, the revolution IS the change. That and not understanding where he got this voluntary crap from.

[NovelGentry]

No, but we needed a civil war to induce such change. Which goes back to my original point, the revolution IS the change. That and not understanding where he got this voluntary crap from.

[Zingu]

Was the Paris Commune a police state?


As Lysergic Acid Diethylamide said, things change. When the people of Paris took up arms against the government, that was a perfect example of Class Consciousness at work, the dictatorship of the proletariat was constructed, it was completely in purpose to serve the proletariat, and it did. Thats no police state, that was geunine Socialism at work.

[Zingu]

Was the Paris Commune a police state?


As Lysergic Acid Diethylamide said, things change. When the people of Paris took up arms against the government, that was a perfect example of Class Consciousness at work, the dictatorship of the proletariat was constructed, it was completely in purpose to serve the proletariat, and it did. Thats no police state, that was geunine Socialism at work.

[Zingu]

Was the Paris Commune a police state?


As Lysergic Acid Diethylamide said, things change. When the people of Paris took up arms against the government, that was a perfect example of Class Consciousness at work, the dictatorship of the proletariat was constructed, it was completely in purpose to serve the proletariat, and it did. Thats no police state, that was geunine Socialism at work.

[LSD]

No, but we needed a civil war to induce such change. Which goes back to my original point, the revolution IS the change..

I'm not saying it's going to be easy, I'm saying it won't be a "police state".

You're assuming that people will be desperate for their "property rights" back. What you fail to understand is that they will be better off without them. With a few exeptions (the rich), there will be little nostalgia and even less open resistance or reactionary fighting.

[LSD]

No, but we needed a civil war to induce such change. Which goes back to my original point, the revolution IS the change..

I'm not saying it's going to be easy, I'm saying it won't be a "police state".

You're assuming that people will be desperate for their "property rights" back. What you fail to understand is that they will be better off without them. With a few exeptions (the rich), there will be little nostalgia and even less open resistance or reactionary fighting.

[LSD]

No, but we needed a civil war to induce such change. Which goes back to my original point, the revolution IS the change..

I'm not saying it's going to be easy, I'm saying it won't be a "police state".

You're assuming that people will be desperate for their "property rights" back. What you fail to understand is that they will be better off without them. With a few exeptions (the rich), there will be little nostalgia and even less open resistance or reactionary fighting.

[NovelGentry]

I'm not assuming that, hehehe, Nyder is.

I'm just thinking it comes down to your definition of police state. If the people are armed to protect their own revolution, are they not police of some sorts? You're simply destroying that fundamental idea that makes police police, "being above society while still claiming to represent it."

I'd say the people are a new form of police. If the state is to be a dictatorship of the proletaria than the proletariat are to be it's police and it's army aswell.

[NovelGentry]

I'm not assuming that, hehehe, Nyder is.

I'm just thinking it comes down to your definition of police state. If the people are armed to protect their own revolution, are they not police of some sorts? You're simply destroying that fundamental idea that makes police police, "being above society while still claiming to represent it."

I'd say the people are a new form of police. If the state is to be a dictatorship of the proletaria than the proletariat are to be it's police and it's army aswell.

[NovelGentry]

I'm not assuming that, hehehe, Nyder is.

I'm just thinking it comes down to your definition of police state. If the people are armed to protect their own revolution, are they not police of some sorts? You're simply destroying that fundamental idea that makes police police, "being above society while still claiming to represent it."

I'd say the people are a new form of police. If the state is to be a dictatorship of the proletaria than the proletariat are to be it's police and it's army aswell.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Personally I think that capitalism carries within itself the seeds of its own destruction. A massive stock crash or environmental disaster could fuck up a lt of things. Communism would perhaps be a practical sollution arriving out of anarchy. Once the basis is in place the the state can wither away, or in the case of your police state not wanting to, revert back to step one.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Personally I think that capitalism carries within itself the seeds of its own destruction. A massive stock crash or environmental disaster could fuck up a lt of things. Communism would perhaps be a practical sollution arriving out of anarchy. Once the basis is in place the the state can wither away, or in the case of your police state not wanting to, revert back to step one.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Personally I think that capitalism carries within itself the seeds of its own destruction. A massive stock crash or environmental disaster could fuck up a lt of things. Communism would perhaps be a practical sollution arriving out of anarchy. Once the basis is in place the the state can wither away, or in the case of your police state not wanting to, revert back to step one.

[socialistfuture]

'I don't believe in the dogmatic postulates of Marxist revolution. I don't accept that we are living in a period of proletarian revolutions. All that must be revised. Reality is telling us that every day. Are we aiming in Venezuela today for the abolition of private property or a classless society? I don't think so. But if I'm told that because of that reality you can't do anything to help the poor, the people who have made this country rich through their labour and never forget that some of it was slave labour, then I say 'We part company'. I will never accept that there can be no redistribution of wealth in society. Our upper classes don't even like paying taxes. That's one reason they hate me. We said 'You must pay your taxes'. I believe it's better to die in battle, rather than hold aloft a very revolutionary and very pure banner, and do nothing ... That position often strikes me as very convenient, a good excuse ... Try and make your revolution, go into combat, advance a little, even if it's only a millimetre, in the right direction, instead of dreaming about utopias.'

is what Hugo Chavez said

- i am not in any way saying this is what representative of the left. but the reality today is capitalism has massive flaws and resistance is coming in all forms. some will be democratic and other will try armed inssurection.

with things like the WSF and ESF and the anti-globalization happening we are seeing changes coming through. Nyder you can say socialism equals the huge expansion of a police state - i say to you that police state already exists.

i dont know what is next but i am sure things can not continue the way it is, it simply is not sustainable and tolerable for those that bear the brunt eg. sweatshop workers, indigenous peoples having their land and homes destroyed, and so on.. neo liberal practices.

[socialistfuture]

'I don't believe in the dogmatic postulates of Marxist revolution. I don't accept that we are living in a period of proletarian revolutions. All that must be revised. Reality is telling us that every day. Are we aiming in Venezuela today for the abolition of private property or a classless society? I don't think so. But if I'm told that because of that reality you can't do anything to help the poor, the people who have made this country rich through their labour and never forget that some of it was slave labour, then I say 'We part company'. I will never accept that there can be no redistribution of wealth in society. Our upper classes don't even like paying taxes. That's one reason they hate me. We said 'You must pay your taxes'. I believe it's better to die in battle, rather than hold aloft a very revolutionary and very pure banner, and do nothing ... That position often strikes me as very convenient, a good excuse ... Try and make your revolution, go into combat, advance a little, even if it's only a millimetre, in the right direction, instead of dreaming about utopias.'

is what Hugo Chavez said

- i am not in any way saying this is what representative of the left. but the reality today is capitalism has massive flaws and resistance is coming in all forms. some will be democratic and other will try armed inssurection.

with things like the WSF and ESF and the anti-globalization happening we are seeing changes coming through. Nyder you can say socialism equals the huge expansion of a police state - i say to you that police state already exists.

i dont know what is next but i am sure things can not continue the way it is, it simply is not sustainable and tolerable for those that bear the brunt eg. sweatshop workers, indigenous peoples having their land and homes destroyed, and so on.. neo liberal practices.

[socialistfuture]

'I don't believe in the dogmatic postulates of Marxist revolution. I don't accept that we are living in a period of proletarian revolutions. All that must be revised. Reality is telling us that every day. Are we aiming in Venezuela today for the abolition of private property or a classless society? I don't think so. But if I'm told that because of that reality you can't do anything to help the poor, the people who have made this country rich through their labour and never forget that some of it was slave labour, then I say 'We part company'. I will never accept that there can be no redistribution of wealth in society. Our upper classes don't even like paying taxes. That's one reason they hate me. We said 'You must pay your taxes'. I believe it's better to die in battle, rather than hold aloft a very revolutionary and very pure banner, and do nothing ... That position often strikes me as very convenient, a good excuse ... Try and make your revolution, go into combat, advance a little, even if it's only a millimetre, in the right direction, instead of dreaming about utopias.'

is what Hugo Chavez said

- i am not in any way saying this is what representative of the left. but the reality today is capitalism has massive flaws and resistance is coming in all forms. some will be democratic and other will try armed inssurection.

with things like the WSF and ESF and the anti-globalization happening we are seeing changes coming through. Nyder you can say socialism equals the huge expansion of a police state - i say to you that police state already exists.

i dont know what is next but i am sure things can not continue the way it is, it simply is not sustainable and tolerable for those that bear the brunt eg. sweatshop workers, indigenous peoples having their land and homes destroyed, and so on.. neo liberal practices.

[Nyder]

But what are you going to do to the people who like participating in capitalism? What about all the small business owners who sell a variety of products? What if I decide to build a factory - will your state police arrest me as soon as I offer someone a job?

[Nyder]

But what are you going to do to the people who like participating in capitalism? What about all the small business owners who sell a variety of products? What if I decide to build a factory - will your state police arrest me as soon as I offer someone a job?

[Nyder]

But what are you going to do to the people who like participating in capitalism? What about all the small business owners who sell a variety of products? What if I decide to build a factory - will your state police arrest me as soon as I offer someone a job?

[LSD]

But what are you going to do to the people who like participating in capitalism?

In post-revolutionary society most of the them (read: the not rich ones) will be doing far better, hence will have no motivation to "[participate] in captialism".


What about all the small business owners who sell a variety of products?

I've got a secret for you, people run small busniesses because they have to not because they derive great pleasure from helping the "market" in its great "drive to progress and prosperity".


What if I decide to build a factory - will your state police arrest me as soon as I offer someone a job?

And how exactly would you build a factory?

With your bare hands?

Where would you get the machines from?


Besides, what would you pay potential workers with if money no longer exists? Barter? Sheep?

In addition, these people will already working and recieving far more from the collective than you could ever personally provide them from your little hand-made factory.

[LSD]

But what are you going to do to the people who like participating in capitalism?

In post-revolutionary society most of the them (read: the not rich ones) will be doing far better, hence will have no motivation to "[participate] in captialism".


What about all the small business owners who sell a variety of products?

I've got a secret for you, people run small busniesses because they have to not because they derive great pleasure from helping the "market" in its great "drive to progress and prosperity".


What if I decide to build a factory - will your state police arrest me as soon as I offer someone a job?

And how exactly would you build a factory?

With your bare hands?

Where would you get the machines from?


Besides, what would you pay potential workers with if money no longer exists? Barter? Sheep?

In addition, these people will already working and recieving far more from the collective than you could ever personally provide them from your little hand-made factory.

[LSD]

But what are you going to do to the people who like participating in capitalism?

In post-revolutionary society most of the them (read: the not rich ones) will be doing far better, hence will have no motivation to "[participate] in captialism".


What about all the small business owners who sell a variety of products?

I've got a secret for you, people run small busniesses because they have to not because they derive great pleasure from helping the "market" in its great "drive to progress and prosperity".


What if I decide to build a factory - will your state police arrest me as soon as I offer someone a job?

And how exactly would you build a factory?

With your bare hands?

Where would you get the machines from?


Besides, what would you pay potential workers with if money no longer exists? Barter? Sheep?

In addition, these people will already working and recieving far more from the collective than you could ever personally provide them from your little hand-made factory.

[Nyder]

In addition, these people will already working and recieving far more from the collective than you could ever personally provide them from your little hand-made factory.

Prove it.

[Nyder]

In addition, these people will already working and recieving far more from the collective than you could ever personally provide them from your little hand-made factory.

Prove it.

[Nyder]

In addition, these people will already working and recieving far more from the collective than you could ever personally provide them from your little hand-made factory.

Prove it.

[LSD]

Prove it.

So... there's no money, no medium of exchange, no "unit of value". And you're one man, with one factory that you built yourself, and you believe that you could provide a pontial worker with more for his labour than a collective of thousands of people with resources, tools, factories, plants, electricity, water, plumbing, sewage collection and food.

jesus, talk about narcisism...

[LSD]

Prove it.

So... there's no money, no medium of exchange, no "unit of value". And you're one man, with one factory that you built yourself, and you believe that you could provide a pontial worker with more for his labour than a collective of thousands of people with resources, tools, factories, plants, electricity, water, plumbing, sewage collection and food.

jesus, talk about narcisism...

[LSD]

Prove it.

So... there's no money, no medium of exchange, no "unit of value". And you're one man, with one factory that you built yourself, and you believe that you could provide a pontial worker with more for his labour than a collective of thousands of people with resources, tools, factories, plants, electricity, water, plumbing, sewage collection and food.

jesus, talk about narcisism...

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:09 AM

Prove it.
Can you prove that this won't be the case?

Perhaps you are confused with the definition of theory. Theoretical observations are what we call educated guesses based on sociological and historical data.

They can only be proven once placed into practise.

In other words, save your silly, redundant rhetoric for those that lack the intellect to expose you for the sham that you are.

If you knew anything at all about economics, you would understand that capitalism by its very nature cannot be sustained indefinitely and would surmise that eventually an alternative must be adopted; but unfortunately you don't.

No matter, we should not have expected to assume someone that can confuse such a juvenile subject as theory and practise to be able to understand economics.

Shame on us for even bothering to reply to you.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:09 AM

Prove it.
Can you prove that this won't be the case?

Perhaps you are confused with the definition of theory. Theoretical observations are what we call educated guesses based on sociological and historical data.

They can only be proven once placed into practise.

In other words, save your silly, redundant rhetoric for those that lack the intellect to expose you for the sham that you are.

If you knew anything at all about economics, you would understand that capitalism by its very nature cannot be sustained indefinitely and would surmise that eventually an alternative must be adopted; but unfortunately you don't.

No matter, we should not have expected to assume someone that can confuse such a juvenile subject as theory and practise to be able to understand economics.

Shame on us for even bothering to reply to you.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:09 AM

Prove it.
Can you prove that this won't be the case?

Perhaps you are confused with the definition of theory. Theoretical observations are what we call educated guesses based on sociological and historical data.

They can only be proven once placed into practise.

In other words, save your silly, redundant rhetoric for those that lack the intellect to expose you for the sham that you are.

If you knew anything at all about economics, you would understand that capitalism by its very nature cannot be sustained indefinitely and would surmise that eventually an alternative must be adopted; but unfortunately you don't.

No matter, we should not have expected to assume someone that can confuse such a juvenile subject as theory and practise to be able to understand economics.

Shame on us for even bothering to reply to you.

[wet blanket]

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Ever read about the Spanish revolution? Try looking it up... there was no state involved there.

Such a shame it came to an end so early, due to outside influences(European Fascism)

[wet blanket]

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Ever read about the Spanish revolution? Try looking it up... there was no state involved there.

Such a shame it came to an end so early, due to outside influences(European Fascism)

[wet blanket]

Don't deny it, commies, in every country which has 'attempted' communism this has happened. Why do you think it would be any different?

Ever read about the Spanish revolution? Try looking it up... there was no state involved there.

Such a shame it came to an end so early, due to outside influences(European Fascism)

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 05:05 AM
If you knew anything at all about economics, you would understand that capitalism by its very nature cannot be sustained indefinitely and would surmise that eventually an alternative must be adopted; but unfortunately you don't.


What, has the messias finally come who can prove empirically that this is bound to happen?

Could you provide me with the link?

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 05:05 AM
If you knew anything at all about economics, you would understand that capitalism by its very nature cannot be sustained indefinitely and would surmise that eventually an alternative must be adopted; but unfortunately you don't.


What, has the messias finally come who can prove empirically that this is bound to happen?

Could you provide me with the link?

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 05:05 AM
If you knew anything at all about economics, you would understand that capitalism by its very nature cannot be sustained indefinitely and would surmise that eventually an alternative must be adopted; but unfortunately you don't.


What, has the messias finally come who can prove empirically that this is bound to happen?

Could you provide me with the link?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:55 AM
What, has the messias finally come who can prove empirically that this is bound to happen?

Could you provide me with the link?
It appears you are also confused about "theory and practise".

Dolt.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:55 AM
What, has the messias finally come who can prove empirically that this is bound to happen?

Could you provide me with the link?
It appears you are also confused about "theory and practise".

Dolt.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:55 AM
What, has the messias finally come who can prove empirically that this is bound to happen?

Could you provide me with the link?
It appears you are also confused about "theory and practise".

Dolt.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 07:49 PM
It appears you are also confused about "theory and practise".

Dolt.
No, as opposed to you, I don't believe in economists who claim they have found the magical E=MC^2 of economics.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 07:49 PM
It appears you are also confused about "theory and practise".

Dolt.
No, as opposed to you, I don't believe in economists who claim they have found the magical E=MC^2 of economics.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2004, 07:49 PM
It appears you are also confused about "theory and practise".

Dolt.
No, as opposed to you, I don't believe in economists who claim they have found the magical E=MC^2 of economics.

[Osman Ghazi]

Could you provide me with the link?

So, you are saying that the world is infinite, and that is why we are magically able to infinitely increase our standard of living? I don't see any other explanation.

PS. I don't believe in economics at all, and most definately not in economists. They're full . Maybe, one day, when we learn to apply non-linear mathematical models to real world phenomena, then economics will mean something. Until then though...

[Osman Ghazi]

Could you provide me with the link?

So, you are saying that the world is infinite, and that is why we are magically able to infinitely increase our standard of living? I don't see any other explanation.

PS. I don't believe in economics at all, and most definately not in economists. They're full . Maybe, one day, when we learn to apply non-linear mathematical models to real world phenomena, then economics will mean something. Until then though...

[Osman Ghazi]

Could you provide me with the link?

So, you are saying that the world is infinite, and that is why we are magically able to infinitely increase our standard of living? I don't see any other explanation.

PS. I don't believe in economics at all, and most definately not in economists. They're full . Maybe, one day, when we learn to apply non-linear mathematical models to real world phenomena, then economics will mean something. Until then though...