Marilyn Manson

[SittingBull47]

I heard something from a friend about Manson being a supporter (of sorts) of Bush and republicans in general. I don't know too much about his politics, I guess I thought there's no way he'd even be close to that side of the fence. Then I read a bio on Launch, and here's an excerpt comparing him to Alice Cooper. "The Satanic sloganeering and thinly-veiled fascist imagery may be part of the theatrical trappings, but they mean it." Surprising reports.
So my question is: does anyone know his politics?

I also read this web log saying how Neil Young is a conservative. I like both these artist's music and their talent, and i've never thought too hard about where they stand.

[Palmares]

Well this thread shocked me, so I looked it up. I found this (http://www.nyrock.com/interviews/2001/mm_int4.asp) site. Here is the key to your question:


Gabriell [interviewer]:There is a lot of talk about George W. Bush and his ultra conservative politics. You're far from conservative, but when he was elected, you said something along the lines that it would suit you, since art develops better in a conservative and repressed environment. Now that he has been in office for a while, do you still agree? Is it worth the price?

Manson: From the perspective I have now, I can only say that it is quite a sacrifice. I see it as a sacrifice for the future. What happens now in America is some sort of groundwork. We do make experiences and learn to deal with repression, and hopefully we can pass our experiences on to the following generation and help them to avoid making the same mistakes. Maybe through being suppressed, people will unite and think about ways to stop the suppression. It might sound cruel, but without pressure a lot of things wouldn't have happened. Maybe – hopefully – it is a wakeup call. I always said that we have become too comfortable. Maybe that's the price we pay. I mentioned before that I think people forgot how to think for themselves. Maybe now they realize that they have to learn how to think again, accept responsibility and not simply believe everything the media or politicians tell them.

I'm not a politician, though my take on politics is simple: They'll tell you what they think you want to hear just to get elected. I always ignored American politics because I simply don't believe in what politicians say. I don't believe in their promises. I think they lie. All they want is to get elected. Think about why they do what they do. And think about why somebody wants to be president. It's the power, not the people they care for. Even in the music business or the film industry, there are far less lies than there are in politics.

No offence to him, but I think that is a counter-revolutionary and fucked up idea to vote in Bush... <_<

[NovelGentry]

But don&#39;t you think that such oppression would possibly act as a wake up call? The best thing for the revolution may be driving everyone else into a hole so that they see the benefit of it.

I&#39;m not saying this is something we should think about or shouldn&#39;t, or that we should vote Bush based on the sole idea that his politics will make people ripe for revoltion, I&#39;m just admitting that this would be a possibility if he gets in office again.

I&#39;ve said it before and I&#39;ll say it again, Kerry (as republicrat as he seems) is more left than Bush, and the people will settle for that and it will calm them for 4 years. It is the compromise they&#39;re willing to make because they think that a democrat in the office means some social reform (even if it is extremely minor). So they&#39;re willing to put away the baseball bats and pitchforks and give the more socially progressive person a shot, and by the time his 4 years is up they&#39;ll forget all about how bad it was under Bush, or how bad it could have been under Bush a second term and they will no longer be as conscious of the need for revolution.

This obviously doesn&#39;t refer to the true communist, but it refers the majority of workers who see democrats as a simple solution towards social progress. It takes them off their feet because he used the words "universal health care"

So I&#39;d have to agree with this statement "without pressure a lot of things wouldn&#39;t have happened" -- this includes many revolutions which arise out of a need to brek physical oppression. Maybe that&#39;s what&#39;s needed in the US for revolution? Just a bit more pressure before the people snap. I don&#39;t know, what do you think?

[refuse_resist]

NovelGentry is 100% correct.

Yes, as wierd as it may sound, if the person who will be more supressive is in office, the more likely a revolution will break out.

[Palmares]

Who is to say that &#39;they&#39; won&#39;t become too powerful if we don&#39;t challenge them outright now? I think the risks of such a mentality are too high.

[Urban Rubble]

I don&#39;t know whether I fully agree with it, but that was a very intelligent statement (from Manson).

[Palmares]

Indeed it is well articulated, but that does not necessitate it to be justified. But at least his vote for Bush wasn&#39;t based on ignorance.

Perhaps the world will be (or will have to be) pushed to such a point, in order to bring real change, I just hope there is a less painful way.

[Urban Rubble]

Perhaps the world will be (or will have to be) pushed to such a point, in order to bring real change, I just hope there is a less painful way.

Well, regardless of Manson&#39;s tactic, I don&#39;t believe that the kind of social change our kind desires is possible without alot of pain. You know I&#39;m no Leninist, but he was right when he said that the ruling classes will never just give up power.

[Urban Rubble]

Perhaps the world will be (or will have to be) pushed to such a point, in order to bring real change, I just hope there is a less painful way.

Well, regardless of Manson&#39;s tactic, I don&#39;t believe that the kind of social change our kind desires is possible without alot of pain. You know I&#39;m no Leninist, but he was right when he said that the ruling classes will never just give up power.

[Urban Rubble]

Perhaps the world will be (or will have to be) pushed to such a point, in order to bring real change, I just hope there is a less painful way.

Well, regardless of Manson&#39;s tactic, I don&#39;t believe that the kind of social change our kind desires is possible without alot of pain. You know I&#39;m no Leninist, but he was right when he said that the ruling classes will never just give up power.

[Palmares]

You&#39;re right UR.

Manson is a smart guy, but if he really thought about the nature capitalism today, he would realise he could do so much more with the influence he has as opposed to the counter-revolutionary escapism he practices.

[Palmares]

You&#39;re right UR.

Manson is a smart guy, but if he really thought about the nature capitalism today, he would realise he could do so much more with the influence he has as opposed to the counter-revolutionary escapism he practices.

[Palmares]

You&#39;re right UR.

Manson is a smart guy, but if he really thought about the nature capitalism today, he would realise he could do so much more with the influence he has as opposed to the counter-revolutionary escapism he practices.

[NovelGentry]

Too much power? Power over who, the people? The people are the power. They produce your guns, your ammo, your tanks, etc..etc.. I&#39;ve said it a million times. If it is the will of the people, the true will, not just some bullshit they spew out for lack of a better paycheck, then it will be done. What army will have have when the millions of soldiers who join just because they&#39;re working class and see no other option fall out of line as their families struggle for the cause? Hitler gained power by feeding on very common interests of German people which were generally economic but in the end completely focused on the idea that the Jew was the economic problem. Bush would not be so lucky, not even his fellow GOP would follow him to fascism. There&#39;s already enough republicans going voting democrat (or amazingly enough Nader) who are just sick and tired of Bush&#39;s policies that really don&#39;t represent a conservative line of thought. It wouldn&#39;t be his position to sustain power if he could ever even get that much to begin with. I think the revolution would occur long before he got such power, but also long after the US had seen serious oppression under his control.

[NovelGentry]

Too much power? Power over who, the people? The people are the power. They produce your guns, your ammo, your tanks, etc..etc.. I&#39;ve said it a million times. If it is the will of the people, the true will, not just some bullshit they spew out for lack of a better paycheck, then it will be done. What army will have have when the millions of soldiers who join just because they&#39;re working class and see no other option fall out of line as their families struggle for the cause? Hitler gained power by feeding on very common interests of German people which were generally economic but in the end completely focused on the idea that the Jew was the economic problem. Bush would not be so lucky, not even his fellow GOP would follow him to fascism. There&#39;s already enough republicans going voting democrat (or amazingly enough Nader) who are just sick and tired of Bush&#39;s policies that really don&#39;t represent a conservative line of thought. It wouldn&#39;t be his position to sustain power if he could ever even get that much to begin with. I think the revolution would occur long before he got such power, but also long after the US had seen serious oppression under his control.

[NovelGentry]

Too much power? Power over who, the people? The people are the power. They produce your guns, your ammo, your tanks, etc..etc.. I&#39;ve said it a million times. If it is the will of the people, the true will, not just some bullshit they spew out for lack of a better paycheck, then it will be done. What army will have have when the millions of soldiers who join just because they&#39;re working class and see no other option fall out of line as their families struggle for the cause? Hitler gained power by feeding on very common interests of German people which were generally economic but in the end completely focused on the idea that the Jew was the economic problem. Bush would not be so lucky, not even his fellow GOP would follow him to fascism. There&#39;s already enough republicans going voting democrat (or amazingly enough Nader) who are just sick and tired of Bush&#39;s policies that really don&#39;t represent a conservative line of thought. It wouldn&#39;t be his position to sustain power if he could ever even get that much to begin with. I think the revolution would occur long before he got such power, but also long after the US had seen serious oppression under his control.

[Hiero]

By the way Manson never said that he voted for Bush. I think he was trying to say that culture is more productive when society i oppressed.

[Hiero]

By the way Manson never said that he voted for Bush. I think he was trying to say that culture is more productive when society i oppressed.

[Hiero]

By the way Manson never said that he voted for Bush. I think he was trying to say that culture is more productive when society i oppressed.

[SittingBull47]

interesting theories.

on a side note, Manson is releasing a greatest hits, scheduled for tomm (monday the 27th)

[SittingBull47]

interesting theories.

on a side note, Manson is releasing a greatest hits, scheduled for tomm (monday the 27th)

[SittingBull47]

interesting theories.

on a side note, Manson is releasing a greatest hits, scheduled for tomm (monday the 27th)

[Palmares]

Does anyone know if the DVD has all the videos on it, or just the ones after Antichrist?

I must admit though, I feel kinda ripped off that the only &#39;new&#39; track is "personal jesus". You can get the video from hpdvidz.com (or hdp one of them) if you can&#39;t wait for the DVD. I&#39;m noly getting the Greatest Hits for the DVD.

What do people think of his undercut? :rolleyes:

[Palmares]

Does anyone know if the DVD has all the videos on it, or just the ones after Antichrist?

I must admit though, I feel kinda ripped off that the only &#39;new&#39; track is "personal jesus". You can get the video from hpdvidz.com (or hdp one of them) if you can&#39;t wait for the DVD. I&#39;m noly getting the Greatest Hits for the DVD.

What do people think of his undercut? :rolleyes:

[Palmares]

Does anyone know if the DVD has all the videos on it, or just the ones after Antichrist?

I must admit though, I feel kinda ripped off that the only &#39;new&#39; track is "personal jesus". You can get the video from hpdvidz.com (or hdp one of them) if you can&#39;t wait for the DVD. I&#39;m noly getting the Greatest Hits for the DVD.

What do people think of his undercut? :rolleyes:

[fernando]

I want to see the video for (s)Aint

[fernando]

I want to see the video for (s)Aint

[fernando]

I want to see the video for (s)Aint

[Palmares]

I forgot all about that. Now you have me all excited. :lol:

[Palmares]

I forgot all about that. Now you have me all excited. :lol:

[Palmares]

I forgot all about that. Now you have me all excited. :lol: