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[Strange]

Hi im new to the site..
Anyways not to long ago I have been researching on getting to know more about some communist point of views and I have decided to learn more and get as much knowledge as I could out of the Benifits of Communism. (Hopefully by asking other people with Communist or Socialist Oppinions)

Anyways I have something I was wondering...

Living in a capitalist nation I started to think about some of the basic fundementals of communism... To share, and Everyone is equal, No one is better then others etc etc. I really dont know too much please inform me if im wrong but I have realised that In a capitalist nation arent these basic fundementals of communism being taught by parents to there children? I remember as a child being taught that everyone is equal and always to share and never be selfish etc. Now why would Parents be teaching there children these things if when the children are maturing they are taught is wrong becuase it is "Communist" and they are then taught by the schools to work hard and earn your place in this world etc etc. Anyways I was in scoail studies class today. And we were studying the left and right wing and so on. I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Just a thought... Give me your oppinions.

James - Strange

[Zingu]

Welcome to being a Marxist in School, I've had similar experinces, getting in arguments with the teacher whenever it came to a subject like this, I've been sent out of class, given referals and other things since of it, but its good to stick up to your beliefs. My advice to you is to keep open and stick up to your beliefs, I did it in my years in school (and now, since still in school), I finally earned respect as a Communist by my peers. America is probably the most anti-communist and right wing nation in the world, so we left wing Americans have a tough job. My advice to you is to study Marxism, the more you learn about it, the better you will be at defending yourself and debating it.

A few books, if you haven't read them already, are:
The Communist Manifesto
Das Kapital: A Critque of the Political Economy
Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism

These are really the two bibles to Communism, once you get that down, you should start learning about the different "shades" of Communism

For Marxist-Leninism, its good to read "What is to be done?" or "State and Revolution" to also some backround sources would help.

For learning Trotskyism, Stalinism and Maoism, I found it best to use internet archives like on www.marxists.org.

Once you learn your basic Communist ideologies, if you want, you can pick one that you think makes sense to you the most and label yourself as one if you want, I still define myself as a Marxist after reading those. (I'm more like redstar2000, none of the current ones would work)

After that, you should study Dialectical and Historical Materialism, that is where I am now. Its takes time to become a Marxist.

[NovelGentry]

First off this depends greatly on your upbringing and whether or not you even have both parents or the one parent you may have is even around to teach you anything in a moral sense. I think this is mainly something that has been passed down as good manners. Parents tell their children to share not because they truly believe EVERYTHING should be shared, but because they are trying to allow the child to recognize that it's the polite thing to do in certain circumstances.

I would agree to some extent that schools change this line of thought, but schools don't really focus on selfishness, if anything I would say they only further explain to children that sharing is important. However, they also build a foundation for which selfishness can foster. Think about a situation where a small child tries to grab something from another kids lunch. The teacher might correct him and say that it's not right (and she is right to do so, because that is simply the other child being selfish), however they she would go on to tell him that if he wants something he should ask, thus providing the other child with a situation where they can deny the request -- and after the first incident most likely will. Who the hell wants to give a cookie to some kid who doesn't even have the decency to ask before he tries to grab it? (heheheh)

What I think is more important to recognize is that schools increase competition, which in turn feeds selfishness. This is where capitalist societies and communist societies differ fundamentally in a sociological sense. In communism it makes perfect sense that competition can be in good form, as everyone will eventually benefit from whatever is produced by it. However, capitalism reserves the benefits of competition to the winners themselves and those who can afford the finer things in life. By this people can only infer naturally that if they're not getting something they want now they have to be even more competative, to the point that they are the winner of the competition on any level. Whether that is competing for a job or competing for a pay raise once in such a position. How many children would be brought up to offer a promotion to someone else if they needed the money more? (none). Instead you are told that you seize these sort of opportunities. As some would say, when opportunity knocks, open the damn door.

Thus competition breeds selfishness directly. And being a "good sport" is never letting the retarded kid win in dodgeball, but is simply not making fun of him when he loses.

In short we preach selective sharing and absolute competition -- it is left up to us when we want to share, but are told it's good, while at the same time being told that we have to compete in order to get ahead. From the moment we pick up a crayon in kindergarten we're trying to outdo our peers, then you start actually getting graded on things, and your place in the heirarchy becomes a bit less subjective, finally to the day where you're competing for NHS, Class Presidency, Head of class, etc..etc.

Then competition eventually outweighs sharing and what we've worked for and "earned" superscedes our moral obligation to help people. Of course it's a very different nature when you earn good grades in school compared to earning huge sums of money for a job. In one case it is hard work and dedication with which you get ahead (but that doesn't mean you can't share your wealth either), and in the other it is direct exploitation of the labor of others. But realize that one leads to another -- if you're competative and able to excel throughout your education you can do the same within the workforce and be raised to a point where you no longer have to do any work, the people do it for you. Most capitalist would argue this as being the true realization of the American Dream, yet they fail to take into account the unequal public education in our society, where kids in the ghettos don't have a chance no matter how hard they try. They fail to look at the number of people who can't afford college to even get an educated job, nevermind one that allows them to exploit even the most educated workers. They fail to look at the forms of oppression which keep working class people down and upper class trust fund babies in complete power. For the few that slip through the cracks and actually obtain a position of wealth from a moderatly humble class, it is a combination of luck and your willingness to exploit your fellow man to move ahead. No one could ever obtain such a position of they were not selfish even part of the time.

If you don't mind me asking, what grade are you in? It sounds to me that your teacher is extremely closed-minded, and if that's the case I would question why she ever became a teacher. If I were you I'd be very happy about not being in her class anymore and would look forward to a teacher who is more willing to hear you out before criticizing you on your opinion.

[Strange]

In grade 11

[Hiero]

They teacher is a fucking idiot. You need to go back to her and tell her to grow up and stop being a child.

I think the difference is that when we are young we havent worked for anything. Then through schooling and ageing we are taught that what we get is what we earn and that is equal. So they believe the the capitalist gives the worker his far share for work and since he owns the tools of production his far share is more. Also the belief we have equal opputunity.

Capitalist soceity has mutilated the concept of sharing and equal.

[monkeydust]

To share, and Everyone is equal, No one is better then others etc etc.

Yes, these are values usually associated with Communism, but I think the "equality" value is over-emphasized, after all, without a sprawling state apparatus, practically, absolute equality will be very hard to establish.

Think of it more as an "end to oppression": it sounds better.

Oh, and you should check out Redstar's "High School Commie's guide" in the practice forum; it'll be useful to refute your moronic teachers' comments.


I remember as a child being taught that everyone is equal and always to share and never be selfish

Yes, I had a similar experience.

Unfortunately, the messages blaring around the rest of the world say the exact opposite.

And by the time you leave home, you'll soon find out that being generous is a quick way into debt. Under Capitalism, being "nice" doesn't work.


"James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.


........Only in America. ;)

[redstar2000]

I see not much has changed in high school since I was there...more than 40 years ago.

I particularly remember the remarks about "your attitude"...unable to offer any intelligent response to my points, they always brought up my "attitude".

The thing is, you can be as "polite" as you can...and that changes nothing. The very act of disagreeing "shows" that you have a "bad attitude".

What I've noticed on this board more and more often is that kids today learn in spite of school, not because of school.

Hell of a thing, ain't it?

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[h&s]

I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

I really, really would lodge a complaint about that. Maybe its completely unrealistic, but it could certainly be done here in Britain.
I've never actually mentioned my views away from my friends, so I have no real expierience of the teachers, but I'm pretty sure that they are very tolerant about this sort of thing in my school.
That being said, I'm feeling more and more like challenging my teachers on this sbject at the moment, so we shall soon see....

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Hmm guess my experiences are better. Most of my teachers are moderate left and I even had the luck of having 2 anarchist, 1 anarcho-communist and one very leftist teacher, but he didn't want to brand himself.

The "very leftist" teacher and 2 anarchists, who I had last year, certainly had their influence on me.

But I have also had worser experiences. My teacher Dutch hated me, because of my views and failed me on his subject and did his best so other teachers would do the same. But I am glad he did, otherwise I wouldn't have met my 2 anarchist and one very leftist teacher..

[NovelGentry]

As another note, I'm not sure if it's the same in your town as it is in mine, but when you're 18 (assuming you're 18 when you're still in school as a Senior and aren't a "young senior") you should run for school committee -- it'll be amazing how their "attitude" changes towards your "attitude"

Edit: Just as a tip, realize you'll probably have the support of most of the students who would simply much rather have a student representing them there than a parent. In our case it was a parent who's children didn't even go to school -- that is the head of the school committee, how crap is that?

[Strange]

Actually I am not 18 I am 16 and yes Actually I did i guess you could say lodge a complaint to the principal I was told

"Certain oppinions should not be publicized, especially Leftist Oppinions"

Thats all he would say and nothing else

Now I have found a new socials teacher so no problem.

[Zingu]

I have mostly liberal teachers, my science teacher actually is interested in the subject of Marxism, maybe I could indoctrinate him. The Poli-Sci teacher is also a liberal, I've taken up debates with him, I've gained alot of fame for being the "School Communist" since I get in arguements very frequently as more challengers come to take me on, so far I seem to have beaten them or brought to a rough stalemate (thanks alot to redstar2000's School Commie's guide!).
I actually got two of my articles accepted in the school newspaper, one about the idoicy of religon and its contradictions ect. and a general essay of Socialism verse Capitalism. There was some high uppity conservative rich Christain parent who threw a fit and got my religous article off the paper, but me and my freinds managed to circulate it via the school clubs and by hand to hand.

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 02:52 AM
I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.


If you speak to her again tell her another social studies teacher on the web was ashamed by her actions, and I'll be sharing her response with other social studies teachers as well.

Honestly speaking about infringing your judgements on your students and not allowing them their own points of view. You can't please everyone, but by her actions she is working against children in her classroom developing critical thinking skills, ask her how your supposed to reach the top levels of Bloom's Taxonomy and learn how to think critically when you can't ask questions.

And this excuse of "attitude" is very poor, she is trying to say a difference in opinion is a discipline issue. If she is that cynical she needs a break from teaching, because obviously she's tired of her students. She's lucky to be employed right now in such a rewarding occupation with so much time off.

Back to the real issue, she is infringing on your rights as a student by saying that anyone who disagrees with her has a poor attitude, you need to take this to the adminstration and whoever will listen. Write out your opinion real clearly and go to various mediation services. Another social studies teacher [no doubt a constitutionalist and not a communist--don't get your hopes up] will be impressed with your practice and take you in.

She is trying to say that by your position you are expressing "Oppositional Defiant Syndrome" be real direct about this in your statement, and suggest that you are not expressing behaviors, you are not raising your voice or being confrontational, you are a young person investigating the world that surrounds you and should be commended as such.

You will need to put it in black-and-white, if they think you're on your way to becoming a junior lawyer they will be impressed and back down, I suspect you may actually be a gifted student who has progressed to the formative levels of thought [see Piaget] early in your adolescence, there is no reason to limit this, it should be encouraged.

Handled appropriately, you'll scare some, gain respect from others, and see new doors open for you. Just document everything, and you will have to be systematic about it, you've just moved from theory to praxis, congragulations. Next you'll reach Kohlberg's Stage 5, if you want any other terms or quotes to scare adminstrators that you are familar with them e-mail me privately.

Cheers Pandora

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 02:52 AM
I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.


If you speak to her again tell her another social studies teacher on the web was ashamed by her actions, and I'll be sharing her response with other social studies teachers as well.

Honestly speaking about infringing your judgements on your students and not allowing them their own points of view. You can't please everyone, but by her actions she is working against children in her classroom developing critical thinking skills, ask her how your supposed to reach the top levels of Bloom's Taxonomy and learn how to think critically when you can't ask questions.

And this excuse of "attitude" is very poor, she is trying to say a difference in opinion is a discipline issue. If she is that cynical she needs a break from teaching, because obviously she's tired of her students. She's lucky to be employed right now in such a rewarding occupation with so much time off.

Back to the real issue, she is infringing on your rights as a student by saying that anyone who disagrees with her has a poor attitude, you need to take this to the adminstration and whoever will listen. Write out your opinion real clearly and go to various mediation services. Another social studies teacher [no doubt a constitutionalist and not a communist--don't get your hopes up] will be impressed with your practice and take you in.

She is trying to say that by your position you are expressing "Oppositional Defiant Syndrome" be real direct about this in your statement, and suggest that you are not expressing behaviors, you are not raising your voice or being confrontational, you are a young person investigating the world that surrounds you and should be commended as such.

You will need to put it in black-and-white, if they think you're on your way to becoming a junior lawyer they will be impressed and back down, I suspect you may actually be a gifted student who has progressed to the formative levels of thought [see Piaget] early in your adolescence, there is no reason to limit this, it should be encouraged.

Handled appropriately, you'll scare some, gain respect from others, and see new doors open for you. Just document everything, and you will have to be systematic about it, you've just moved from theory to praxis, congragulations. Next you'll reach Kohlberg's Stage 5, if you want any other terms or quotes to scare adminstrators that you are familar with them e-mail me privately.

Cheers Pandora

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 02:52 AM
I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.


If you speak to her again tell her another social studies teacher on the web was ashamed by her actions, and I'll be sharing her response with other social studies teachers as well.

Honestly speaking about infringing your judgements on your students and not allowing them their own points of view. You can't please everyone, but by her actions she is working against children in her classroom developing critical thinking skills, ask her how your supposed to reach the top levels of Bloom's Taxonomy and learn how to think critically when you can't ask questions.

And this excuse of "attitude" is very poor, she is trying to say a difference in opinion is a discipline issue. If she is that cynical she needs a break from teaching, because obviously she's tired of her students. She's lucky to be employed right now in such a rewarding occupation with so much time off.

Back to the real issue, she is infringing on your rights as a student by saying that anyone who disagrees with her has a poor attitude, you need to take this to the adminstration and whoever will listen. Write out your opinion real clearly and go to various mediation services. Another social studies teacher [no doubt a constitutionalist and not a communist--don't get your hopes up] will be impressed with your practice and take you in.

She is trying to say that by your position you are expressing "Oppositional Defiant Syndrome" be real direct about this in your statement, and suggest that you are not expressing behaviors, you are not raising your voice or being confrontational, you are a young person investigating the world that surrounds you and should be commended as such.

You will need to put it in black-and-white, if they think you're on your way to becoming a junior lawyer they will be impressed and back down, I suspect you may actually be a gifted student who has progressed to the formative levels of thought [see Piaget] early in your adolescence, there is no reason to limit this, it should be encouraged.

Handled appropriately, you'll scare some, gain respect from others, and see new doors open for you. Just document everything, and you will have to be systematic about it, you've just moved from theory to praxis, congragulations. Next you'll reach Kohlberg's Stage 5, if you want any other terms or quotes to scare adminstrators that you are familar with them e-mail me privately.

Cheers Pandora

[h&s]

"Certain oppinions should not be publicized, especially Leftist Oppinions"
That is blatant, outright censorship. Complain to his senior. It would have been alright if he said that no real political opinions should be expressed, but as he specified leftism he is being discriminative.
Zingu - carry on with what you are doing. Anything that upsets rich Christian Conservatives has to be a good thing.... :)

[h&s]

"Certain oppinions should not be publicized, especially Leftist Oppinions"
That is blatant, outright censorship. Complain to his senior. It would have been alright if he said that no real political opinions should be expressed, but as he specified leftism he is being discriminative.
Zingu - carry on with what you are doing. Anything that upsets rich Christian Conservatives has to be a good thing.... :)

[h&s]

"Certain oppinions should not be publicized, especially Leftist Oppinions"
That is blatant, outright censorship. Complain to his senior. It would have been alright if he said that no real political opinions should be expressed, but as he specified leftism he is being discriminative.
Zingu - carry on with what you are doing. Anything that upsets rich Christian Conservatives has to be a good thing.... :)

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:22 AM
I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Just a thought... Give me your oppinions.
I do not think the teacher was necessarily angry because of your opinion (although they did find your observation and opinion very wrong indeed), but more of a secondary concern, though nevertheless important. I highly suspect that this teacher champions the "Gradgrind method of teaching", and this is the main reason for their "outburst".

Nevermind all that lateral thinking and discussion "rubbish". What they want is to set the so-called "facts" and expect you to learn it. Any sort of "discussion" should be a regurgitation of the material you have been fed.

You, having contradicted the course outline, have made them particularly angry. You have now been labeled as someone with a "bad attitude".

But, as Pandora said, "she is working against children in her classroom (from) developing critical thinking skills". Such teaching which does not encourage critical thinking is very poor, especially in social studies, and especially if you plan to continue into university. University essay writing is not "black and white". There are numerous opinions and studies to explore and consider.

Luckily you found a competent social studies teacher who was willing you educate you.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:22 AM
I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Just a thought... Give me your oppinions.
I do not think the teacher was necessarily angry because of your opinion (although they did find your observation and opinion very wrong indeed), but more of a secondary concern, though nevertheless important. I highly suspect that this teacher champions the "Gradgrind method of teaching", and this is the main reason for their "outburst".

Nevermind all that lateral thinking and discussion "rubbish". What they want is to set the so-called "facts" and expect you to learn it. Any sort of "discussion" should be a regurgitation of the material you have been fed.

You, having contradicted the course outline, have made them particularly angry. You have now been labeled as someone with a "bad attitude".

But, as Pandora said, "she is working against children in her classroom (from) developing critical thinking skills". Such teaching which does not encourage critical thinking is very poor, especially in social studies, and especially if you plan to continue into university. University essay writing is not "black and white". There are numerous opinions and studies to explore and consider.

Luckily you found a competent social studies teacher who was willing you educate you.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:22 AM
I brought up this subject and talked about parents teaching there children these things and The teacher looked right at me and said ... "James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Just a thought... Give me your oppinions.
I do not think the teacher was necessarily angry because of your opinion (although they did find your observation and opinion very wrong indeed), but more of a secondary concern, though nevertheless important. I highly suspect that this teacher champions the "Gradgrind method of teaching", and this is the main reason for their "outburst".

Nevermind all that lateral thinking and discussion "rubbish". What they want is to set the so-called "facts" and expect you to learn it. Any sort of "discussion" should be a regurgitation of the material you have been fed.

You, having contradicted the course outline, have made them particularly angry. You have now been labeled as someone with a "bad attitude".

But, as Pandora said, "she is working against children in her classroom (from) developing critical thinking skills". Such teaching which does not encourage critical thinking is very poor, especially in social studies, and especially if you plan to continue into university. University essay writing is not "black and white". There are numerous opinions and studies to explore and consider.

Luckily you found a competent social studies teacher who was willing you educate you.

[DaCuBaN]

"James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Start a smear campaing: Frankly, I dislike the idea that this idiot is being allowed to subject our youth to his quack opinions. The teacher is quite evidently an intolerant buffoon.

Confront the teacher again, and demand to be readmitted to his class. If they still refuse, contact their superior, and keep carrying it up the chain of command. Sure, you probably might not solve your own problem but if it can help alleviate this kind of bigotry appearing within our educational establishment it can only be good

Even if it seems somewhat futile.

[DaCuBaN]

"James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Start a smear campaing: Frankly, I dislike the idea that this idiot is being allowed to subject our youth to his quack opinions. The teacher is quite evidently an intolerant buffoon.

Confront the teacher again, and demand to be readmitted to his class. If they still refuse, contact their superior, and keep carrying it up the chain of command. Sure, you probably might not solve your own problem but if it can help alleviate this kind of bigotry appearing within our educational establishment it can only be good

Even if it seems somewhat futile.

[DaCuBaN]

"James Leave this classroom I don't want to teach people with your attitude" Later outside in the hall I asked why she got so upset and said It was only my oppinion. She said "Well James Your oppinion is wrong" and now I have to find a new socials teacher becuase she wont teach me anymore.

Start a smear campaing: Frankly, I dislike the idea that this idiot is being allowed to subject our youth to his quack opinions. The teacher is quite evidently an intolerant buffoon.

Confront the teacher again, and demand to be readmitted to his class. If they still refuse, contact their superior, and keep carrying it up the chain of command. Sure, you probably might not solve your own problem but if it can help alleviate this kind of bigotry appearing within our educational establishment it can only be good

Even if it seems somewhat futile.

[Invader Zim]

Next time ask your ex-teacher how a subjective opinion can be wrong, and what makes her opinion correct.

She clearly has no idea how to differentiate between the subjective and the objective. She also fails to understand that opinion based upon an idea, without any physical bearing on reality, can neither be proved nor disproved, therefor your opinion cannot be "wrong". At least not in this case.

When you get into the US equivelant of 6th form (non-compulsery schooling) when your aged 17-18, they wont dare, and I mean wont dare say that kind of thing, because you dont have to put up with that kind of shit, you can just walk out. They also realise that you've had enough experiance and teaching to actually be able to argue back, and in many cases prove them wrong, at which point they are made to look like fools. As an adult theres not really much they can do about it, they cant treat you as a child anymore, because your not.

Its amazing how different it is when your just a couple of years older.

[Invader Zim]

Next time ask your ex-teacher how a subjective opinion can be wrong, and what makes her opinion correct.

She clearly has no idea how to differentiate between the subjective and the objective. She also fails to understand that opinion based upon an idea, without any physical bearing on reality, can neither be proved nor disproved, therefor your opinion cannot be "wrong". At least not in this case.

When you get into the US equivelant of 6th form (non-compulsery schooling) when your aged 17-18, they wont dare, and I mean wont dare say that kind of thing, because you dont have to put up with that kind of shit, you can just walk out. They also realise that you've had enough experiance and teaching to actually be able to argue back, and in many cases prove them wrong, at which point they are made to look like fools. As an adult theres not really much they can do about it, they cant treat you as a child anymore, because your not.

Its amazing how different it is when your just a couple of years older.

[Invader Zim]

Next time ask your ex-teacher how a subjective opinion can be wrong, and what makes her opinion correct.

She clearly has no idea how to differentiate between the subjective and the objective. She also fails to understand that opinion based upon an idea, without any physical bearing on reality, can neither be proved nor disproved, therefor your opinion cannot be "wrong". At least not in this case.

When you get into the US equivelant of 6th form (non-compulsery schooling) when your aged 17-18, they wont dare, and I mean wont dare say that kind of thing, because you dont have to put up with that kind of shit, you can just walk out. They also realise that you've had enough experiance and teaching to actually be able to argue back, and in many cases prove them wrong, at which point they are made to look like fools. As an adult theres not really much they can do about it, they cant treat you as a child anymore, because your not.

Its amazing how different it is when your just a couple of years older.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:22 PM
Living in a capitalist nation I started to think about some of the basic fundementals of communism... To share, and Everyone is equal, No one is better then others etc etc.
Doesn't sound too "communist"... more like a "hippy" version of it.


I really dont know too much please inform me if im wrong but I have realised that In a capitalist nation arent these basic fundementals of communism being taught by parents to there children? I remember as a child being taught that everyone is equal and always to share and never be selfish etc.

Because most parents indoctrinate their children into Christian values and pseudo-morality.


Now why would Parents be teaching there children these things if when the children are maturing they are taught is wrong becuase it is "Communist" and they are then taught by the schools to work hard and earn your place in this world etc etc.

Which is not that bad, since that's what capitalism forces them to become in order to survive. Better than not being told what to do.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:22 PM
Living in a capitalist nation I started to think about some of the basic fundementals of communism... To share, and Everyone is equal, No one is better then others etc etc.
Doesn't sound too "communist"... more like a "hippy" version of it.


I really dont know too much please inform me if im wrong but I have realised that In a capitalist nation arent these basic fundementals of communism being taught by parents to there children? I remember as a child being taught that everyone is equal and always to share and never be selfish etc.

Because most parents indoctrinate their children into Christian values and pseudo-morality.


Now why would Parents be teaching there children these things if when the children are maturing they are taught is wrong becuase it is "Communist" and they are then taught by the schools to work hard and earn your place in this world etc etc.

Which is not that bad, since that's what capitalism forces them to become in order to survive. Better than not being told what to do.

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Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:22 PM
Living in a capitalist nation I started to think about some of the basic fundementals of communism... To share, and Everyone is equal, No one is better then others etc etc.
Doesn't sound too "communist"... more like a "hippy" version of it.


I really dont know too much please inform me if im wrong but I have realised that In a capitalist nation arent these basic fundementals of communism being taught by parents to there children? I remember as a child being taught that everyone is equal and always to share and never be selfish etc.

Because most parents indoctrinate their children into Christian values and pseudo-morality.


Now why would Parents be teaching there children these things if when the children are maturing they are taught is wrong becuase it is "Communist" and they are then taught by the schools to work hard and earn your place in this world etc etc.

Which is not that bad, since that's what capitalism forces them to become in order to survive. Better than not being told what to do.

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Doesn't sound too "communist"... more like a "hippy" version of it.

Let's not get to persnickety with the "newbie's", shall we.

It sounds fairly "right', besides.


Because most parents indoctrinate their children into Christian values and pseudo-morality.

I don't think so; well not directly.

Rather, capitalistic values.

"The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas" -- Karl Marx

The ruling ideas whether it is morality, political or religious correspond to the ideas of the rulers of material production; who therefore dominates the material side of society so to dominates the mental production of society.

The dominate class, the bourgeoisie in modern times -- direct, control and distribute the ideas of morality.

The social bases is the "ensemble" of social relations or the economic structure of society; politics, law, morality and even art constitute the social superstructure.

The economic base, therefore conditions the social forms which constitute the superstructure.

As the base changes, so to, the "social constructs".

[Essential Insignificance]

Doesn't sound too "communist"... more like a "hippy" version of it.

Let's not get to persnickety with the "newbie's", shall we.

It sounds fairly "right', besides.


Because most parents indoctrinate their children into Christian values and pseudo-morality.

I don't think so; well not directly.

Rather, capitalistic values.

"The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas" -- Karl Marx

The ruling ideas whether it is morality, political or religious correspond to the ideas of the rulers of material production; who therefore dominates the material side of society so to dominates the mental production of society.

The dominate class, the bourgeoisie in modern times -- direct, control and distribute the ideas of morality.

The social bases is the "ensemble" of social relations or the economic structure of society; politics, law, morality and even art constitute the social superstructure.

The economic base, therefore conditions the social forms which constitute the superstructure.

As the base changes, so to, the "social constructs".

[Essential Insignificance]

Doesn't sound too "communist"... more like a "hippy" version of it.

Let's not get to persnickety with the "newbie's", shall we.

It sounds fairly "right', besides.


Because most parents indoctrinate their children into Christian values and pseudo-morality.

I don't think so; well not directly.

Rather, capitalistic values.

"The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas" -- Karl Marx

The ruling ideas whether it is morality, political or religious correspond to the ideas of the rulers of material production; who therefore dominates the material side of society so to dominates the mental production of society.

The dominate class, the bourgeoisie in modern times -- direct, control and distribute the ideas of morality.

The social bases is the "ensemble" of social relations or the economic structure of society; politics, law, morality and even art constitute the social superstructure.

The economic base, therefore conditions the social forms which constitute the superstructure.

As the base changes, so to, the "social constructs".